Wilt Chamberlain's Arrest, SC Senate Chaos & Govt Overreach | Jack & Charles

Jack Moore: What he remembered when he walked up to the car is it was as far back as it could go, almost into the back seat, and he was giving gas with his knee up almost in the back, almost on the seat. So

Charles: wow.

Jack Moore: he said, you know, you gotta get out, I gotta frisk you, I gotta take you in. And he said, you know, he didn't have any problem with the arrest, but he remembered that part because it was just a stunningly tall kid. And he goes, and I told him you ought to play basketball. Welcome to More to Consider, Jack and Charles. So today, as we're doing this, it's August 21. Funny thing, my favorite three athletes growing up: basketball, Wilt Chamberlain. Date of birth, August 21, 1936. August 22 is my favorite baseball player, Carl Yustremski, still alive. Born August 22, 1939. And my favorite football player, of course, was Sonny Jurgison, born August 23rd, 1934. So my three favorite athletes were twenty-one, twenty-two, twenty-three. And my father arrested Wilt Chamberlain. You know that story, right? You don't know that story? This is gonna get everybody going. So please research this. You could probably find it on the internet. real quick story to open that up. And this is Moore to consider. Please like and subscribe. If you're on Spotify, if you're on Apple Podcasts, do the review. Give us give us five stars and do a review and everything. But real quick on the and my dad's pictures up here when he was running for sheriff. My dad gets sent to Caroline County as a state trooper. When he finishes state police school, the first place he's assigned is Caroline County. And he does not know this, what I'm getting ready to tell you, for 20 years. So he's elected as sheriff in 1963, weeks before Kennedy's assassinated. He's actually elected, and he takes office in January of 1964. So when he's sheriff, he's sheriff 28 years. He sitting in his office one day minding his own business in 1975, and somebody calls and says, Shelby Gus, who was God, he was in the school board, nice man. He goes out and buys Wilt Chamberlain's book, Wilt, W-I-L-T, Wilt, Story of my Life. So Chamberlain says, he's from Philadelphia. I'm looking at colleges. He ends up going to University of Kansas. But he visits the University of Richmond. So he's doing these trips. He's doing these recruiting trips. He goes to Richmond. He's headed north. This is long before the interstate system. This is 1955. So there is no interstate. So your major routes north and south. 301 was huge. So 301 runs right through Bowling Green. And He's

Charles: one.

Jack Moore: a re what he says in his book is I'm arrested one night doing eighty six and a fifty-five. And since it's reckless driving and he's out of state, he has to go before a magistrate and he has to wait a night in jail. Eighty six and a fifty-five, reckless driving, class one misdemeanor in Virginia. And he said, Some trooper pulls me one night I'm doing eighty-six and fifty-five and he says he plays poker that night in the jail and raises money for bail the next morning. Well they take your personal possessions, so he wouldn't have been in a card game where he would have actually gotten paid out. But what it made for a good story. But Shelby Gus, this gentleman that lives in my home county, is reading the book, and he says, I got thrown in a rat hole jail in Bowling Green, Virginia. If ever saw the jail, the historical society's taken it over and they put a bunch of history artifacts there. But the jail was built in like 1899. It was a brick building. Famously in the Loving versus Virginia case that came out of my county, which I've mentioned. Mildred Jeter spent time there when they arrested the Richard and Mildred Jeter for being married legally in DC and being. back in Virginia, the case that ended up going to the Supreme Court. I went to school with their kids. So it's a lot of history coming out of Carolina County. But anyway, Chamberlain says I spent this night in the jail and you know bonded out the next morning and on his way back to Philadelphia. So Gus reads it and he goes right to the clerk's office. He hasn't nobody's told my father a thing yet. So he goes down to the clerk's office and he said hey do you have records for 19 this is 1975.

Charles: Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: Get any records from 1955? They go, We got records from 1855. What do you need? He goes, Well, I need to see if you can pull any kind of ticket history or any kind of court traffic history on what Wilton Norman Chamberlain, who's they pull it. There it is. 86

Charles: wow.

Jack Moore: and a 55. yeah. So then they look at the bottom, it says arresting officer, OJ Moore. My dad. So they call

Charles: wow.

Jack Moore: him. And my dad was about 6'2. My dad was a big man. But my. But my dad then gets called and they're like, you know, Sheriff Moore, do you realize you arrested Wilt Chamberlain? Because I don't have any idea what you're talking about. Come on by the clerk's office. So he goes by the clerk's office. He goes, Yeah, that's that's my signature. Like O.J. Moore. It was written on the ticket. And then he said, I do remember coming home and telling my wife, my mother, I arrested the tallest kid today I've ever seen in my life. And my father said he remembered he was driving a early 50s version of some type of a coupe And it had a bent seat, and he had the bench seat. What he remembered when he walked up to the car is it was as far back as it could go, almost into the back seat, and he was giving gas with his knee up almost in the back, almost on the seat. So

Charles: wow.

Jack Moore: he said, you know, you gotta get out, I gotta frisk you, I gotta take you in. And he said, you know, he didn't have any problem with the arrest, but he remembered that part because i it was just a stunningly tall kid. And he goes, and I told him you ought to play basketball. So he wondered how much he shaped his future. He laughed about that. But it was twenty years after the event. He finds out. He does have a memory telling my mom about this tall kid, how he was given the gas, and he goes, and just remember when I got him out of the car, he kept going up and up and up and up, and then I was like, Wow. So he was listed, I think, at that time at seven feet. He played at 7-1. He's 19. And it's later that summer that he goes on to commit to Kansas and goes on to Kansas and plays at Kansas. But he was 19 years of age. He was born in August of 1936. So all

Charles: Wow.

Jack Moore: that aligns. Yeah. So anyway, those are my three favorite athletes. And we're recording on August 21st. That was a nice little story to open up with today. And where I grew up. And again, it's between Richmond and DC. It's twenty miles from Fredericksburg. So if you're ever on that ninety five corridor from Richmond up to DC, we're right off of that. It's also famously about twelve miles from where John Wilkes Booth was shot and killed, if you believe he was killed. At Garrett's Barn in Port Royal. Some more history from the region and Secretariat. Okay. I had to throw in secretariat there at the end, but so anyway, that's Caroline County. So anyway, it's it's August twenty-one. Charles and I have been talking all week last. Like, I wouldn't say things have exactly been slow in the news cycle, but there hasn't been the same impact. The Fauci thing took up some oxygen for a while. There's a few things we've been talking about. Definitely, we did the show recently on you know Bash and RFK Jr. and that little dust up. I thought that got a lot of noise. So the major things I've seen in the news is the Andrew Wilson and Candace Owens, you know, doing their debate thing. I definitely caught

Charles: Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: some of the news. Whatever that's worth to people. there is a story now of the young lady that's being tried for the death of her three children, which brings up The Andrea Yates, Andrea Andrea Yates, I remember I was a prosecutor at the time where the woman drowned her five children. Many people are talking about this case as it's come out in the news like this has never happened before. And my first thought was, but I'm old enough to remember, it's been 25 years ago now, but Andrea Yates pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity and and it was found not guilty by reason of insanity. So that was in the news twenty-five years ago. So that's been in the news and As you and I brainstormed about what we're going to talk about today, we talked about or we've come up with the idea that what's going on with the U.S. Senate? What are the impactful things that may be happening in this fall? We know there's midterm elections. As your civics lesson again, you understand that in the Senate, because of the 17th Amendment, part of the progressive era. legislation andor what became amendments to the United States Constitution, the seventeenth amendment made it so that the people of each state vote for their U.S. Senator, where originally, under the first con construction of the Republic, the idea was the only thing you voted for was you voted for your member of the House. You could vote for the dumbest farmer down the street, farmer Brown, you could vote for whoever. That's the people's house. Then the U.S. Senate was supposed to represent the states. And that meant the state legislatures went, the late state legislatures went together and they elected the U.S. Senators. By the time of the 17th Amendment, many of the states were already starting to go the route of letting people vote. But in our system part of a compromise is putting together the small states and the larger states. And I was just I was actually watching a guy the other day that made a great point. You just don't really realize how powerful Virginia was in the first thirty-five to forty years of the republic. 36 years, of the first 36 years, 32 of them have a Virginian in in the presidency. So it was very impactful, but the way it was supposed to be set up, those two U.S. senators were equally proportionate to the state. Each state got two representatives there, regardless of their population. So the Senate is the upper house, and it is kind of a big deal. And we do have this death of Lindsey Graham. He is a Republican or was a Republican. And you kind of found this clip, and you find that it you found it interesting, that the person who was appointed into that position as a member of the United States Senate from the great state of South Carolina was the sister of Lindsey Graham. And

Charles: Yeah. Right.

Jack Moore: now, I guess as we approach this election time, she, Darlene Graham, is in a position now to be elected on her own. And she had an interesting

Charles: You

Jack Moore: moment recently. First of all, let's Charles, what what is your what is your take on that in the first place? did she have enough gravitas? Did she have enough horsepower and all that to be named to such a position? Or do you think that was a a family member? It's not like this hasn't happened before, but what what did you th

Charles: Right.

Jack Moore: what yeah, what do you think of where she stands with all this?

Charles: I think that... It was an absolute slap in the face to a lot of people from South Carolina. But there's

Jack Moore: Okay.

Charles: one person that keeps coming up in my mind when I think about them doing that and it's Nancy Mace.

Jack Moore: You think she should be the US Senator from South Carolina?

Charles: Well, this is the thing about her. She was Trump, you know, all the way until she called

Jack Moore: yes she was.

Charles: for the Epstein files to be released and kept, you know, pounding on it. And next thing you know, Trump is against her and she loses her primary. I

Jack Moore: Yeah.

Charles: think it's kind of weird, you know, but, then Lindsey Graham dies. you know, the guy who's, who's never seen a war it didn't need to be fought by us. He dies unexpectedly and then they immediately appoint his sister. I've never heard of his sister. Now, I don't live in South Carolina, Right. We

Jack Moore: I I had not either. Yeah. Why would why would we have? Why would we have? I mean, really. Yeah.

Charles: don't live in South Carolina so that might be one of the reasons that we've never heard of her. But when you listen to her talk, you're like, she's kind of dizzy. She's kind of out there.

Jack Moore: Ha ha ha.

Charles: Or at the very least she's in over her head and it's pretty clear during this this debate that they were having a few days ago that she isn't in over her head it kind of reminded me of You remember it some years ago the guy who was the libertarian Presidential open to

Jack Moore: Yes. Yeah.

Charles: say gosh candidate and they asked him about Aleppo

Jack Moore: Mm-hmm.

Charles: and he was like What is Aleppo? And that was just like the end for him. But I'm being honest with you. I didn't know what the hell Aleppo was because why? It's in Syria and I really don't care.

Jack Moore: No. I think a lot of people didn't. Right.

Charles: I was more concerned about issues going on here than Aleppo.

Jack Moore: No, it was definitely a gotcha it was an orchestrated gotcha moment, yeah.

Charles: Yes, yeah, but what happened with Darlene Graham is much, much, much, much worse. Just in my personal opinion.

Jack Moore: Well, I th yeah, okay, that brings up an interesting point though, 'cause a lot of people did say the Aleppo thing was was definitely kinda orchestrated, like might have been a team of people. I don't remember which one of the alphabets it was, but it was it was probably clearly one of the cable news networks that were being like, All right, we gotta we gotta dismantle this guy. Not that this guy's gonna win, but let's you know, let's go ahead and cut his legs out from under him. He'll he won't know

Charles: All right.

Jack Moore: that. I I think that's what it kinda looked like. Where you're gonna go with Ms. Graham is a little bit different thing, but you also remember there can be self inflicted too, and now I'm at a total loss, but you're gonna help me out here. Who was the political figure with the Perry, wasn't it, with the Republicans? And he was in the debate. Now I look bad for bringing this up and I gotta remember which I think it's Perry. But he was the one

Charles: Perry from Texas.

Jack Moore: that I think so, yeah. But remember I the the famous part of it was he was the one that was like, I got three things I'm gonna do. I got three things I'm gonna do right from Jump Street. I'm gonna cut these programs out. And he went one, he went two, and he went i i and Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and everybody's kinda laughing. He goes I'm gonna remember that third one just here in a moment. You know, and people were like, holy shit, dude. Okay, that was your moment. Like you were building up to the three things. You know, it was like Department of Education. Rick Perry right. It was the Department

Charles: right right rick perry yeah

Jack Moore: of Education, I think he wanted to get rid of it. But you he was like, I'm gonna get I mean three things. But he did this, you know, real powerful. Three things I'm gonna get rid of. And he went, one, two, third one's not coming. Third one's not coming. You know, and it became a viral moment because a lot of, I mean, if you're gonna, you would think. in prep, a lot of people would say, no the third thing. No one, two, and no three. Because if you're gonna bl if you're gonna throw it out there like that with that much energy, you better be able to follow through on all three. And he didn't, and

Charles: Yeah, you had a brain cramp.

Jack Moore: he did. He did. It it's it's it's you know, it's it's you know that's an important thing that I wonder because God, I was thinking about this the other day. I'm going off on another thing again, but I got to be part of Probably four or five, six when I was when I was teaching at a state supported community college, I was on the hiring committee for like four, five, six different positions. And I'll ask you, when it came to hiring a professor at whatever discipline they were going to be a professor in, I'll tell you what they did. They had a sit-down interview. We looked at their resumes, they had a sit-down interview, and one aspect of it was you sat in a classroom and they taught. They they did a section of whatever discipline they taught. And we had and what do you think was my number one criterion? When I when I was looking at them, I was like, that's gonna really make the determining factor on how strong a candidate I think they are. What do think? How well they taught. How well they

Charles: no idea. No. Okay.

Jack Moore: taught. So this one woman in the classroom was dynamic. We're gonna go over parts of speech or something. She was English, grammar, and she's just nailing it. She's energy, everything she does from point. I said, okay, I think somebody could learn from her. So when we're doing the sit-down part of the interview, somebody asked the question: What would you do if a student can't afford a textbook? Literally was one of the questions. And we had a system that they had put in. You have a reserve copy in the library. They can use that until they can afford it. They'll work through financial aid. Whatever. You know, we'll all hold hands together to try to make sure this student has a textbook. She's totally

Charles: Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: floored by it. She said, I don't know. I guess go down to the library and make copies. Like, what about copyright infringement? You know, I she's I I don't know. Like whatever you guys think, right? So. We're sitting down the postmortem. We're going over it. And somebody's like, I I just don't think she had a really good answer to the thing about what are you gonna do with the student with no textbook? And I'm like, Really? We're gonna hire or not hire? She was phenomenal in the classroom. Like, she knocked it out. Yeah, I know, but I was really concerned about it seemed like a kind of a got you question. And I'm like, I think if you get the person most qualified to teach, you can say, and by the way, our policy on helping the student with no textbook is and fill them in on it. So I think that same kind of thing happens in debates. Bad example, I guess, but my point is I was thinking the objective is get the best professor. Why would we knock her out because she didn't have a good answer to a question she didn't anticipate that really doesn't matter because there's a policy in place? Tell her what the policy is. So, in the same sense, Rick Perry not being able to remember the last thing, Rick Perry, was it was Rick Perry, right? If he can't remember the one of the three that he was supposed to say, it doesn't disqualify, but it was a bad moment. And let's face it, that's another whole show we could do historically. In your mind, and lemon I'm older than you, but in your mind, do you ever did you ever think there was a got-you moment, just an absolute got-you moment that anybody ever had in a debate, and that that ended it? kinda ended that

Charles: Hmm.

Jack Moore: person's opportunity to be president again or pres Yeah, justifiably

Charles: Justifiably? I mean,

Jack Moore: or otherwise.

Charles: well, I mean, one of the most famous ones, at least in recent history, has been the Robert, no, gosh, what's the guy? I almost said Robert Dean, sorry, Robert. The guy from Vermont or New Hampshire or something like that. It's like, we're gonna go to New Hampshire, we're gonna go to Texas, we're gonna, yeah, that dude. They got rid of him after that. Yeah, yeah.

Jack Moore: That was Dean. Yeah, that was Dean. What was Dean's first name? Y Yeah, well yeah No, no, you're right.

Charles: I can't remember what's the first name. But anyway, everybody knows who we're talking about. Yeah.

Jack Moore: Roger not is it Roger? No, Roger Dean doesn't sound that's a baseball stadium in Florida and Jupiter, Roger Dean Stadium. Right, what

Charles: But... Yeah, he...

Jack Moore: he wore that. He g he was embarrassed by it, or everybody embarrassed him over it and I never understood it either. I just thought, so what? He started yelping and screaming. I didn't care, because I wouldn't have voted for him anyway.

Charles: Yeah, exactly. But he was done after that though. He was done after that. Yeah.

Jack Moore: He was. He was. What I was going more to is I think one of the most famous got if you want to call it a got you moment, but I think it was a huge moment, is in nineteen eighty, when Reagan looked right in the camera and goes, America, I ask you, Are you better off now than you were four years ago? That was one of the most famous of all time. Because the Carter presidency was historically really bad. A lot of bad stuff happened during that time. The economy's tanking, the Iran hostage situation, you know, boom, boom, boom. A lot of bad stuff happens. He does the general malaise speech. He basically, you know, the cardigan sweater, he does kind of the sit-down fireside chat, and he's basically telling everybody to do something to, you know, to try to save energy, and everything's just going to shit. And then Reagan asked that question: Are you better off now than you were four years ago? And so people have got this 77 to January of 81 run, and they're looking at it like, nah, it's a pretty good point there, Ronald. He also had a Another great moment with Mondale four years later because Mondale says something I don't even know if Mondale didn't bring it up. I think the moderator said something about his age and he said, I'm not going to exploit or use to political advantage my experience over this much younger man, you know, ki and it and Mondiale's laughing his ass off. Like Mondale thinks that's the funniest thing. Because Reagan took the are you getting too old to be president? Now when he's born in nineteen eleven, so when he takes office he's just turned he had just turned seventy. He was elected at sixty-nine. So it's hard to imagine that now with eighty-some year old presidents that it was a big deal that he was in the seventy range when he took office. So now going into his second term, he's approaching seventy-four. But he turns it into a joke of, well, I'm not going to exploit this guy's youth you know because I'm more experienced and older. Everybody laughed. And you know, like Reagan or not, and I don't know how prepared he came. Maybe somebody said, Look, they're gonna bring up your age, have this ready. And he did, it

Charles: Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: you know, and it worked for him. but yeah, you you do have these moments that I do think sometimes ends up being a thing that people can't recover from. So that brings up, let's get back to the question. So on Ms. Graham. Do you think her moment has come? An unrecoverable moment?

Charles: think it's just I think it's just a beginning it's the beginning of her being exposed as to being over her head and but this is a big one this is a huge huge one it's not like she says she was you know I'm not very familiar what you know what we actually need to play the clip Ahem. you Wow. Man, come on dude. I mean really? Was that not absolutely bananas?

Jack Moore: It does bring up an interesting point though. Kind of back all these things are gradations of the same analysis, I think. I remember something when I first started doing radio thirty plus years ago with our mutual friend. something came up one time and I kinda felt like when I first started doing radio, like, man, if I don't know something, people are gonna think I'm stupid 'cause I didn't know it. And this friend of ours said, If you don't know something, say it up front, I don't know. And by the way, the the the guy that you're doing is Howard Dean. It was Howard Dean that did the scream thing. Yeah, it

Charles: Power ding,

Jack Moore: just came to me. Okay. But anyway, friend of mine said, if you're ever in a situation and you don't know, people respect that. And I don't know, something, you know, later when I got more comfortable on the air, because I was scared at first, you know, everybody is, something came up and this particular person said, So what do you think of that? And I don't think about it. Okay, let's go over it. And then boom, we went win it went over it. And nobody like wrote in the comments or you know, people email in comments and things. Nobody's like, How the hell do you not know that? So that's again, that's entertainment, that's doing radio. Maybe it looks a little bit less savory for a person. that is running for the US Senate to say, I don't know anything about that, but I support the military. Now in fairness, go ahead.

Charles: Hold on, but she took it a step further. She says she wasn't very versed on national... Okay, this is a little different.

Jack Moore: Well that's where I was gonna that's where I was gonna yeah, that's where I was gonna go next. No, but where I was gonna go next, but where I was gonna say next is yeah, when she says I don't really know anything particular about that, it's not a good look. It probably isn't. But it also seems like a very honest response. Let's give her that. Then I think the next thing

Charles: yeah.

Jack Moore: is i anybody could say six months ago she wasn't thinking about boning up on her potential for being in a debate. Her brother was still alive. He's a senator. She's not thinking she's going to be a U.S. senator. It may be disqualifying.

Charles: And you know what though?

Jack Moore: It may be disqualifying, but go ahead.

Charles: You know what then? She probably when it was presented to her she probably should have bowed and said no I'm not qualified for that. But she didn't. She accepted it.

Jack Moore: Yeah, I mean there sure there is a view though that one could take. I I'm not saying I necessarily support this view, but there could be your brother was of goodwill, he had a good name in the state, you're of that family. Carry us across the finish line until we get to the next election. If the people want to vote you back in, they'll vote you back in. If the other guy's a better candidate, you'll get voted out. And she's like, I'll accept that.

Charles: Yeah, no, I understand. I understand that. But honestly, I blame the governor of South Carolina for this one. Really.

Jack Moore: Yeah, I I we don't know all the inner workings of the politics of that, you know, and i i is it a we well, Trump supported her. Trump came right out and said she was a great candidate for the position.

Charles: And unfortunately, his word is becoming less and less useful. Honestly, him him saying that. Yeah, I agree with you. I agree with

Jack Moore: Well that's that's for the voters to determine. I think it's cr true, yeah. Yeah.

Charles: you 100 % that look, they were dumb enough to actually vote in Lindsey. Grandma was Tom. So who knows what they're to do? Honestly, who knows what they're to do? But I look at it this way, if they do vote her in, South Carolina's going to be a laughing stock.

Jack Moore: Hmm. I I mean w in in what way?

Charles: And because the the rest of us are going to be like, are you nuts to vote somebody like that as a senator? You must be really dumb. You really, really must be dumb. That's what people are going to be saying, because with her with her saying what she said about quite possibly one of the most important subjects that a senator is supposed to know about. Remember, the ones that have to have to we call it. approved treaties and so on and so forth with other countries,

Jack Moore: Sure.

Charles: you should know this. Or the governor of South Carolina should have picked somebody else.

Jack Moore: Well, couple things. Yeah, you you y you could very well be right. Should've picked somebody else, could have had better candidates for it. They go with the family connection. Now there could have been fill it out until next January and let somebody else take it, step out, you know, just fill the seat of your brother until then. The being encouraged to run. I don't know, maybe she could have done a little bit of add on to that comment and said, But I'm I I'm gonna start educating myself. I got a team of people right now, they're getting me up to speed. You know, come back with something like that. If she takes the position I don't know anything about what I'm talking about and I'll probably remain in this type level of ignorance as I go forward, then that's kinda i i but again, it's up to the voters. The voter there there may be a group of voters like, All I know is I love Lindsay Graham and that's his sister and dag on it. She's honest and she said she doesn't know shit and good for her. I mean that that might win the day.

Charles: You know what's so funny, because I let that clip play for another 30 seconds to hear the other guy's response. He's no better than she is though, honestly, because his answer was garbage.

Jack Moore: Yeah.

Charles: His answer was fear, fear, fear. my gosh, China is going to take over Taiwan. There is zero evidence that China has any indications that he wants to take over Taiwan. Zero. But they just keep saying it. So I don't know who's worse.

Jack Moore: Yeah. Yeah.

Charles: This guy who we know what his intentions are or her, she's just like, I'm a deer in the headlights. So whoever wins this. They're South Carolina's screwed.

Jack Moore: You know, I didn't I can't I can't say that I that I f felt like in watching that that she was really that dear in the headlights. I think she was extremely honest. I think it was almost endearing and I think it was almost endearing in a way.

Charles: look, I understand. No, no, no, no, no, no, not to me. No, honest again, honest would have been, but honest

Jack Moore: It it may not be to you. It it may not be to you.

Charles: would have been, I can't do this because I'm not prepared. That's honest. That's true honest. What she looks

Jack Moore: Okay.

Charles: like right now is just a placeholder when

Jack Moore: Mm-hmm.

Charles: they should have put somebody who was actually qualified. So she looks worse. by not being honest and saying, no, I'm not the right person for this. So she looks.

Jack Moore: Well, I mean she could walk off the stage. Yeah. I mean that's available. She can say, you know what, on second thought you've asked me a question that I you know she could have hemmed it hard and tried to come up with a kind of a bullshit answer to get out of it. She didn't do that. I I think there was something something somewhat admirable about it and she also just

Charles: Do it.

Jack Moore: sort of said, I I support the troops.

Charles: How about this? Imagine you get into a car accident. Hopefully it didn't happen. You get into a car accident and then, you know, before they put you under, your doctor comes to you and he's like, hey, I'm your doctor. I don't really know what I'm doing. You would be like, you better get up out of here. No, you don't. Don't even touch me. That's exactly what you would say. And that's exactly what she

Jack Moore: Yeah.

Charles: should have done. Just said, no, I can't. I'm not qualified for this. No, but she didn't.

Jack Moore: Okay.

Charles: Why? Because

Jack Moore: Disagree with it. J brother, I don't disagree with anything you're saying. I'm just I'm just responding to her response. I that's all I'm doing is I'm breaking. I think her response was kind of refreshing. Now, if it becomes disqualifying, people have to vote. If people looked at that and

Charles: Mm-hmm. I agree with you.

Jack Moore: s yeah, that's all I'm saying. I think it was a lot

Charles: I understand what you mean.

Jack Moore: more refreshing than if she'd have gone into some kind of thing where it's clearly she's grabbing at straws and she's making

Charles: Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: it up as she goes along and acts like she knows where these points are on the earth that she doesn't. I think that would have been I I Again, I think it was almost kind of endearing and refreshing. But it but if again, if that

Charles: I don't understand what you mean.

Jack Moore: if that makes somebody then say, well then I don't want you in the position because you didn't know this, okay. I don't disagree. But for her to go she's she's kind of gone too far now to pull back. All right, but that brings up another whole point or another whole thing. The US Senate. So what's the last time we looked? Gosh, this has put me. I'm putting myself on the spot again. Isn't it like fifty-three, forty-nine, couple of on-the-fense kind of things? I mean, Republicans can lose control of the Senate. I don't think that's necessarily forecast. The House seems to be kind of a foregone conclusion, but maybe not so much the Senate. But you have this seat, probably still be won by a Republican, whether it's you know, Miss Graham or not. 'Cause I guess what they're doing th this other gentleman's Republican as well, so I guess they're kinda doing a little some kind of little quick primary type of thing before the general, right? Special election.

Charles: Right. There was special election on the 25th.

Jack Moore: Gotcha. All right, so here's something from the Washington Examiner. I'm gonna talk about this. Rand Paul says he doesn't understand the buzz over Mitch McConnell's health. Senator Rand Paul said he doesn't understand why people are chomping at the bit for more details about the state of Mitch McConnell's health. Now you looked up, you did a little research, you say McConnell had already stated before whatever these health issues have been to since mid-June that he was not gonna run for reelection. And we've looked it up, it looks like his last. term did start in twenty-one, this last six-year term. and I meant to say that I got started and then I got sidetracked with one of my stories. But for the listeners, I think you're all aware of this, every two years all 435 members of the House of Representatives are up for re-election. And it's one third the Senate. It's basically 33, 33, 34. So the 100 Senate seats, it's a six-year term. So every two years it's going to be about a third of the Senate is going to be up for election. So it just so happens The Graham seat and the McConnell seat were both terms that were expiring in January of 2027, coming up. So McConnell, you say, has already said, I wasn't going to run for re-election in 2026.

Charles: Right.

Jack Moore: McConnell's been at the center of the political spotlight in Kentucky over the past several months since he was hospitalized in mid-June following a fall. The Kentucky political Titan was recently released from a physical rehabilitation facility to recover his own home. However, speculation ran rampant online as Democrats and others in Kentucky have asked for more information on the state of his health. I'm not sure I understand it. Ron Paul said I'm sorry, Rand Paul said, told local reporters. To tell you the truth, he announced a year ago he wasn't gonna run again anyway. Everybody knows he's gotten older. He had some falls and I think I just looked up his eighty what? Eighty

Charles: 84.

Jack Moore: eighty-four, right. he's had some falls and some other things. And anyone who has a relative that's gotten older, it happens to all of us. I don't know why people are clamoring for more details. What do you what do you think right there? Is Rand Paul correct? Why the hell does anybody care that much? It's August. He's not gonna run for reelection. The the the seat as far as who's gonna fill it again in January is going to take care of itself. Why do we care?

Charles: Hmm. I think that's kind of crazy for him to say, because he's a senator he's supposed to be there

Jack Moore: Right.

Charles: voting and participating in the proceedings. Well both of them are senators from Kentucky.

Jack Moore: No, who's a senator, Rand Paul or or or McConnell? No, I know, but you just said I something about what Rand Paul said, and you go, well, he's a senator, so I didn't know if you were saying

Charles: Hmm

Jack Moore: McConnell's a senator, therefore he needs to be there voting, or you were saying Rand Paul's the senator, therefore he shouldn't have said what he said in McConnell's defense.

Charles: McConnell is a Senator. He should be there participating in the proceedings.

Jack Moore: Gotcha.

Charles: He's the, well, he's a Senator. He needs to be there or they need to get rid of them. But this is the thing. know, Kentucky is one of the few States, I think it's maybe three other States that, the governor doesn't appoint a Senator, in case of a vacancy, the actual, if you want to call it state legislature. makes the appointment like it used to be you know so

Jack Moore: Yeah, yeah.

Charles: I don't I don't know why they just don't do that just just do it

Jack Moore: Well y one of the things that Laura and I were getting ready to do re recently we were discussing, you know, movies that we're gonna review, and one of them was Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. And if you've ever watched that, that's nineteen thirty seven, I believe. It's I think it's released in thirty nine, but I think it's depicting thirty seven. I may be wrong, it might have been depicting thirty nine. So in September, of course, September one, Hitler invades Poland, the war starts, but everybody sees what's coming basically in Europe. And it's a pl it's a pretty politically charged. Frank Capra does it. He gets a lot of heat from the US government about releasing this. But where I'm going with it is you saw the inner workings of politics. A US senator dies, and now you see the power structure getting together. with the governor about what are you gonna do about this. And you see these different political groups coming in to run around and try to strong arm the governor on making this appointment. So even though we're looking at, you know, 80 plus years ago, pushing 90 years ago, was it really any different than you you bring up the mechanics of whether it's pre-17th Amendment and the state legislature set, I think they were always influenced by the governor too on what their selections were And now you let the

Charles: No, that's true. That's true, but in this case, the actual legislature alone has the duty of replacing their senator.

Jack Moore: No, I just I yeah, I'm just saying I think that they're always and the reason about the Mr. Smith goes to Washington, I don't know that a lot of people, unless you go back and watch that movie, realize it was all backroom dealings then too. It was backroom dealings in eighteen fifty seven, eighteen ninety seven. It's always been party politics and political figures making these kind of choices. So whether it's the governor straight up or whether it's the state legislature, they're gonna be people with political interests deciding on who that person is they're gonna be. A little bit further here though, Governor Andy Bashir, Democrat, the red state's blue governor, who's eyeing a possible 2028 presidential run, has been at the helm of calls for more information about McConnell's office. He has called on McConnell multiple times to film a live video for the people of the Bluegrass State as a check-in of sorts. He's telling CBS News Face the Nation on Sunday, this is Bashir. All he needs to do is call into this show for two minutes or Fox. News for two minutes or do a video for two minutes of the people that he's for the people he's supposed to be serving. I have heard absolutely nothing back from Mitch McConnell, the shear said. Now let me ask you this about that. Looking at the structure, the original idea of the republic. branches of government, the power structure in the legislature versus the executive, judicial, et cetera. It's the whole structure. There w there was clearly, I think in the view that I keep mentioning, that there was the executive branch, and when it came to the legislature, there was a House. Every idiot on the street could vote for their member of the House, and that the Senate was more of a state construct, or it was influenced by the power of the state to look out for the state's interest at the federal level. So I I asked this I I put that out to say, Is Bashir out of line to be running his mouth about a US senator, regardless of what his health conditions are and the rest? Is he in a lane? Is he violating a lane or do you think he's in a position he should be questioning Mitch McConnell and whether or not he's properly serving the constituents of the state of Kentucky?

Charles: He's doing what everybody else is doing. I don't see why they would have an issue with him. I mean...

Jack Moore: No, I I'm going a little step further. I'm not I'm I'm not going like what everybody else does kind of things because governors do all kinds of th shit they shouldn't do and certainly I I'm just saying do you th do do

Charles: Okay, how about this? How about this?

Jack Moore: you see a lane where as a governor it's kind of a duty of his to speak to this issue? That's what I'm asking. Mm-hmm.

Charles: Yeah, it is. That's where I was going with that. It is a duty for the fact that the senator is supposed to be representing the state. That's what he's supposed to be doing. He's the governor of the state. He's like, where's my representation? Where is he at? So.

Jack Moore: I agree. I agree. I I think I think under the nation as founded on the United States Constitution and the drawing in the states and ratification of the Constitution. I I think under that initial or under under the view that the framers were intending, yeah, I think a governor stepping up and going, hey, wait a minute, we have been at times in a position, and and again, you they have this authority of appointment in some states, depending upon a vacancy or or you know, maybe incapacitation. Yeah, I don't I don't think he he's out of line at all to be asking this question. Is he grandstanding a little bit at the expense of McConnell? Maybe. Should anybody really care? About McConnell's, you know, whether he's being grandstanded upon, maybe not. Bashir's stance has put him in a public odds with Paul. Imagine that. Who has questioned the governor's motives for pushing hard on the subject. In response to Bashir's letters urging McConnell's office for evidence of the senator, senior senator's capacity to serve, Paul accused the governor of trying to look relevant. Okay? So they're pissing and moaning back and forth. It's a campaign ploy by Bashir to look relevant, Paul said. He wants to jump in. There's a lot of news over how McConnell's doing. And so to appear relevant, he's putting out inflammatory statements. Now, could both of both could both of those things be true? Could Bashir be in a position, probably relative to his office, that he kind of has a duty to the people of Kentucky to, hey, what's going on with our U.S. Senator? Is he actually representing

Charles: Yeah.

Jack Moore: us properly? Could it be that, and he's trying to grandstand it to be relevant? Both can be true.

Charles: Yeah, both could be true. Rampall. He's definitely not his father because

Jack Moore: No. Who is?

Charles: I think, well yeah, exactly. I think if his father were in that position that ran his end, he would be asking the constitutional question. Who is here representing

Jack Moore: Yeah, you know that's a

Charles: the state? This guy's missing, he's MIA for months. So what are we doing here?

Jack Moore: That's that you know. What just struck me about you what just struck me about that, what you just said though, is Ron Paul is so different than Rand Paul. I get it. They're

Charles: Yeah.

Jack Moore: father and son. One was a US senator, has been a US senator, the other one served in the House of Representatives and s you know, served as a med both of them are medical doctors. I respect both of them. I just love Ron Paul. But yeah, I couldn't imagine Ron Paul I can't I can't imagine him taking this tact that that the Rand Paul has taken against

Charles: No.

Jack Moore: Bashir. And I don't know. Well let's see one one last thing here. McConnell last issued a public statement of his health on August sixth saying he will maintain an intensive regiment regimen of physical therapy from home during the s and during the state work period and will continue to engage with my staff and colleagues on important Senate business. Earlier today, I was discharged from the rehabilitation center to continue my recovery at home. McConnell said, Elaine and I are grateful for the many well-wishes and support from friends, colleagues, and other and and the fellow Kentuckians, and for the attentive care I've received from excellent doctors, nurses, therapists, and hospital staff. He announced his retirement from the upper chamber in early 2025 for the end of his term in 2027. Andy Barr, Republican Kentucky, is seen as the favorite in the general election race. And the Democrat Charles Booker is the one running against him. So, let me ask you this too. One to ten. Where do you have McConnell in your view? Political, ethically, impact on history, what do you where would you have him, one to ten? What you know of him? Okay.

Charles: Two. Two. Yeah.

Jack Moore: Okay. Yeah, I was gonna say five. Yeah.

Charles: And when I heard that he's...

Jack Moore: I say as good as much good as bad probably, but yeah, go ahead. Yeah.

Charles: I can't really think of anything good right now that he was actually pushing. So I can't give him a positive. He's been more negative than anything. He's been a roadblock for things. Pretty much like all the other Republican Senate majority leaders, they've been roadblocks for things that the American people have been calling for. They just don't want to do it. And then they wonder why they keep losing the Senate. That's why. That's why. So, yeah, good

Jack Moore: He would

Charles: riddance that he's leaving, honestly. to get rid these.

Jack Moore: I think when we think of like a caricature of like machine politician, guy that goes in the room, pulls whatever levers he has to to kind of maintain a balance of power and things like that within the party, he's that guy. I don't think he's an ideologue. I don't think he's like some guy that's you know I don't know if you could really pin down his philosophy on government or something like that. You know what I mean? It's just kinda like, all right, what's it gonna take

Charles: Isn't

Jack Moore: to get this done? Or what or what forces are pulling him against something that might be popular in some circles but not so popular in that's he's gonna weigh those things out. But isn't that kind of what he is? What he's always been.

Charles: Yeah, I guess man. I just think that it's been part of the problem. And we

Jack Moore: Well

Charles: really don't need any more people like that.

Jack Moore: I think and and we'll close on this discussion. I thought about going into today, you know, we were talking about what's in the news. So, you know, we kind of bring up two out two of the one hundred seats in the United States Senate, Georgia and Kentucky, and what's going on there. Did make a little bit of mention of what else is in the news, you know. I think I said I think the Andrew and Candace thing was pretty big, you know, a lot of people are discussing that. And it's like so many other things I think that's going on. we're all watching the same movie and we're getting a lot of different plots. We're reading the same novel and we're getting different plots. I mean whatever you want to h however you the right way to say that. I did hear a lot of people discussing that debate that is the real measurement of the debate is people are gonna go in forty percent hate, forty percent like, whatever. Do you move anybody? Does anybody get moved? You know, and if it's a ninety ten issue and you come out of it and it's eighty-five fifteen, then you move some people. You know, you probably you move

Charles: Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: some the other guy lost some. So some things are more popular than others. but a theme that we were on recently, especially in light of what we heard Sean Ryan say, I thought in in large part for me recently with the Tucker Carlson interview. And I know you and I have been off this thing for a long time. We don't, we really don't. For people listening, you know, more to consider Jack and Charles, we really don't look heroically at anybody in politics.

Charles: No.

Jack Moore: I and and I was listening to a guy the other day, I don't even remember what show it was on, and he was making the point that what really does matter is at the local level. But we do have to align sometimes. There are real-world consequences to what happens in Washington. They can do things that do adversely affect our lives. Whether it's through taxation, regulation, whatever, there are things that can have an adverse effect. I remember years ago, it just popped in my head, Victor Davis Hansen, who I've listened to for years and have always liked. But he was talking about, you know, I think his family raised grapes to raisins, I guess. You know, he's he's a California farmer. I'm not sure what else they grew, but but they're, you know, they're into agriculture in California. California in all these different times that government regulations actually choked out the industry. Whatever particular agricultural industry they were in. But he was telling horror stories of people losing their farms and over regulation. So those have consequences. You can sit there and say, Well, I'm just gonna ignore what's in the news and I'm gonna ignore government. And then some government bureaucrat comes in and shuts down your farm or screw you know, and that's real. You you see where I'm going. I mean, like there there

Charles: Yes.

Jack Moore: are consequences. So that's why I keep saying more and more, I don't want government to do anything for us in that sense of cradle to grave, you know, they they're gonna take care of this, pay for that. Stay the hell out of the way. And then you get into all the philosophical discussions of should there be some level of regulation of the market, you know, worrying about monopolies and that type of thing. And I remember Ayn Rand years ago breaks it down. She was on Donahue, she talked about monopolies will never happen. Monopolies won't happen in a free market because somebody else is always going to undercut the person that tries to take over. Somebody's going to be more innovative. Somebody's going to be whatever. In a free market, people are going to find ways to get into the market. It's when the government's involved in the regulation that they pick. pick winners and losers and you do get more of a monopoly type of thing. I'm not enough of an economist to argue that, but it does seem to me

Charles: Hmm.

Jack Moore: to be always better if freedom wins out over regulation. So again, my greater concern is always what the government can do to make our lives more difficult. I'm not looking for the politicians for answers. So in large part what I'm saying when we do these dust ups and we're sitting there talking about that guy's a little bit raw. or or not very doesn't seem to be very capable in that position. What does that really mean? I would like to see people swear on the Bible they're gonna uphold the Constitution and actually know what's in the Constitution. That would mean a lot more to me if they even had

Charles: Alright.

Jack Moore: but I do but I've been around a certain US senator from Virginia. There's only two of them, so people can maybe figure this out. I've been in a couple situations, formally in radio and others, and he's the kind of guy that in you in his presence, he makes you feel like you're the only person on earth, that kind of thing. You know, seems, you know, big personality and all the rest. And I remember there was a kind of a viral thing that went out when the Obama know, the whole healthcare thing was going through. And

Charles: Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: there was a question of was some some guy and I'll close on this. And I want your response though, but I wondered like was it admirable was it admirable in some sense or well what was it? But They're getting into Obamacare, however you want to define that, the Affordable Care Act, whatever the hell that was, and the guy in a the forum, the the the public forum, what do you call it, like a town town hall meeting. This guy says, Senator, fill in the blank, Commonwealth of Virginia. Is this constitutional? And he looks at him, he goes, Hell no, it's not constitutional. None of the stuff we do is constitutional. You really think there should be a Department of Education where we regulate your schools? And and he just like goes off with like, nothing we do is constitutional. So just bag that. And remember, Nancy Pelosi said something very similar. Somebody brought up the constitution. Stop with your constitution bullshit. I don't want to hear it. So these people are in positions, House and Senate, Speaker of the House, U.S. Senators. And they're kind of like, would you stop with the constitutional issues? Would you stop with the bullshit? None of us do that. You know that. We know that. So that's what kind of in some sense they're being honest, I think. But you know, anytime you bring up and you kind of wave that hand and go, what about the constitution or the constitutionality of certain acts or certain things you're doing in government? If the politicians flat out go, very much like I thought that was what was very pivotal in the bash and Kennedy. Kennedy's like, hey, how about the next time we have one of these plandemics where you're going to play COVID? How about we just follow the constant constitutional rights? Yeah, you're talking about rights. I'm saying what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do next time we have a pandemic? When I see he he just said, How about we follow the Constitution? We don't deprive people of their rights to property, to fr expression, religion, whatever. And she's like, That get off that shit about right. Am I wrong? Is that not how she said it?

Charles: Alright, pretty much, yes.

Jack Moore: Well then that's kind of what concerns me is that when somebody raises their hand and says, Well, how about we follow that we have some kind of predictable idea of what constitutional rights are or human rights? We we don't need that. We just need government control, let the government control in these situations. Let let them dictate what our lives should be. That's my concern. Response to that.

Charles: No, I agree with you. It doesn't seem to be that much of an issue for most people for the fact that they don't know what's in it in the first place. It's just,

Jack Moore: Yeah.

Charles: yeah, that's the thing that bothers me.

Jack Moore: I would have all right, let me I keep saying I'm gonna close, but I am gonna close on this. We're at 53 minutes. We'll go about 55. I haven't asked you this yet. Maybe I we've talked around it when I ask you. Do you think a percentage of Americans in 2020, given what happened with COVID and the last six years of Maybe some of what was talked about in the Fauci hearings, or maybe some of the look back at some of the things Fauci said and what he said in his diary, etc., that just being a microcosm of the whole thing. Do you think there are people that are more aware of how off the rails government can go? Or do you think they're more indoctrinated than if you just keep their mouth shut, keep their head down and stay out of it?

Charles: I think there's a little bit of both. There more people that are aware as to how government and the medical industry itself has no issue with screwing you over. But then there are the people on the opposite side who are like, yeah, but government and the doctors are there to help us and we should give them any, we should give them all the power that they need to do it.

Jack Moore: Okay.

Charles: That's what happened.

Jack Moore: But you know, I heard Dave Smith mention this the other day. He goes, I knew at different levels it was bullshit, but like when they started to say, Go into the door at a restaurant, mask, walk in, be seated, unmask, eat, spit on you know, spit on your neighbor, whatever, you know. Gotta go to the bathroom, get up, put the mask back, you know, like He's like, I'm looking at that and I'm thinking, like, say, COVID stops the moment you start drinking and eating, is that right? Like, I mean, you know, it's it was

Charles: All

Jack Moore: all those kind of things that made it seem like asinine. But the bigger part is when Nancy Pelosi got caught getting her hair done, and then I saw this story where a woman tried to open up her beauty shop again, 'cause she's got three kids to feed and the rest, and they come rolling in there and shut her down and lock her up or whatever. And then the thing where like Wasn't it California authorities were like running out into the water with jet

Charles: Yes.

Jack Moore: skis and stuff, grabbing kids that were surfing? So they're out on an isolated beach surfing and they're being handled like they're hardened criminals. Yeah, you look at that and you're like, something's off the rails here, right? So I would have hoped that would have opened up some people's eyes to just what government

Charles: He

Jack Moore: can become, but I'm not so sure.

Charles: I'm not so sure either.

Jack Moore: I do think I don't know though. I d I do it and I th I guess the th the bottom line I'm asking is if we created more libertarians.

Charles: No.

Jack Moore: You don't think? Okay.

Charles: No. We created more anarchists, but not more libertarians.

Jack Moore: Isn't libertarians in

Charles: because they're different.

Jack Moore: Well, I know there's people that refer themselves as anarchist libertarians. Dave Smith being one

Charles: No, I understand, but,

Jack Moore: of them. Yeah. So yeah, I get you just saying, because I Michael Malis says, I'm an anarchist. I'm not a liberty, I'm an anarchist. Yeah, you're you're right.

Charles: Right.

Jack Moore: And and they say that and everybody like loses their mind, like, my god, you want no order. You just want mass, you know, you know, chaos in the streets. And it's like, no, if you really listen to what the term is saying, you just question authority. You don't think that somebody just naturally has authority over somebody else because 51% decide to vote that person into some kind of office. But it's kind of scary to people, right? It's scary

Charles: It is very scary to some people.

Jack Moore: to yeah, to some people, you know. Okay.

Charles: Yeah.

Jack Moore: All right, what would you like to say on the way out?

Charles: Ash Roy couldn't get here any faster.

Jack Moore: the g would the asteroid this is a big question that would the asteroid be

Charles: Yeah.

Jack Moore: more qualified to serve in the US Senate than some percentage of people in the US Senate now? And it's an easy number 'cause it's a hundred. Like how many how many US senators do you think are not as qual? What's that?

Charles: It most certainly would have a more of an impact than she would. No pun intended. Yes.

Jack Moore: What what's your percentage? What what percentage

Charles: Say that again?

Jack Moore: I said the asteroid. What percentage

Charles: Yes.

Jack Moore: of the members of the US Senate would the asteroid be more qualified to serve than?

Charles: probably, probably all of them. Yeah,

Jack Moore: Okay, you like the asteroid better.

Charles: yeah, I'd like the astroid better, because at least it would give us an opportunity to start from scratch.

Jack Moore: Gotcha. I was gonna say y

Charles: That's about the only way we're gonna fix this.

Jack Moore: he he can clean house, right? Okay. All right, all right. This has been more to consider. Yeah, yeah.

Charles: Yes, yes, yes. Hold on a second. It would be the ultimate incumbent. Yes. Yes.

Jack Moore: I see what you're saying. I like what you're doing there. All right, so this has been more to consider, Jack and Charles. Please like, please subscribe. Please comment. We've been getting more comments, getting lot of traffic and all that, but people gotta subscribe. And if you're listening on Apple, Spotify, these type of things, please write reviews. Write really glowing things about how wonderful Charles and Jack are together on this how well

Charles: Yes.

Jack Moore: we're doing with our show here. Charles, love you, brother. Hope all is well. All right, man. Talk to you soon.

Charles: Love you