Unlock Healthcare Freedom: Expert Insights You Need to Know

Moore To Consider: Welcome to another edition of more to consider today. I have on Twila Brase She has been on before registered nurse, public health nurse. She's a co-founder of citizens council for health freedom. she's one of the good eggs, I think, because we've done a show before and she's trying to fight for your freedom as it relates to healthcare and what you, what you sort of need to know. She's the author of. Big Brother in the exam room, the dangerous truth about electronic health records. The first show we did, we also got into real ID and some of the questions about Big Brother. I think it's probably the best way to put it. She is a native of Minnesota. Again, we've done a previous show. So this young lady from everything I can tell from the first time around that we did a show is into freedom. And a lot of people... I don't know freedom. the whole question of human nature. Do you want to be led around? you, do you need leaders? Do you want freedom? Freedom comes with a lot of responsibility and a lot of people just don't like that. Ms. Brace, how are you today?

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: I'm good and you're right. A of people don't like it.

Moore To Consider: Thank you. Yeah. I mean, it comes, like I said, it comes with some cost. I find it interesting. I know you've seen these same things and everything could be edited or created, but I'm watching this video three, four years ago. It's a guy of a certain age where he grew up in the Soviet union. He's arguing with kids in central park or something, you know, some kids are out on the streets in New York talking about the greatness of communism. And he goes, Kids, I grew up in the Soviet Union. You don't know what you're talking. ⁓ yes, we do. Yes, we do. know, and Marx was right. And it's guys I grew up I was like, are you doing there? You've kids shouting for all the Bennys they want from the government and they're yelling at a guy that grew up in the Soviet Union, you know, and you're kind of like, yeah, what would he know? And as sees the country going in a certain direction, he's shouting out to the world and no one's listening. So, okay. Today, my producer. you know, reached out to me about you were going to be on today. And where we're going to start is we're discussing health freedom in a cash based system, getting away from government healthcare. So you're on what, does all that mean to us?

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Yeah, so we have we call the 3C for health freedom. ⁓ And really pretty simple. It's going back to the way health care used to be. It's going to the time where you paid cash for everything except catastrophic and insurable events. You had very affordable insurance for those insurable events because you basically took your policy, put it in a drawer and waited to see if you had got cancer or crashed or whatever. Right? And then all that would just bring the prices of care down because just look at Lasik surgery, right? It's never been paid for by insurance. Remember when it was like, I don't know, $5,000 an eye or even $10,000 an eye way back when it was $20,000 could both eyes done. And I go by science today that say something like, you know, $500 or $1,100. Right? And so it's never been funded by insurance. And yet it's a huge deal.

Moore To Consider: Yeah. Right. Yes.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: right? But everybody pays cash and so the price is competitive. all the prices of today would go down if had a cash based system with real catastrophic coverage. ⁓ And there was charity, real charity for those who really need charity, not Medicaid. excuse me, something just came out my teeth. So anyway, so really the way it go. It would, it would be That's why we call it 3C, cash, catastrophic coverage, and charity. And charity would be so much more doable for hospitals and doctors if they didn't have all the rigmarole of third-party payment. That's what the people of today don't even understand, is that today we have third-party payment. If you were paying your own bill with cash, and then your catastrophic coverage paid you cash, they didn't pay the doctor, they didn't pay the hospital, they gave you the money, and then you could go shopping. Most healthcare is done electively. It is not an emergency. Most healthcare is just not an emergency. And when it is an emergency, it goes right into the catastrophic coverage category typically, right? And you would just watch prices plummet. You would have full control. You would be in charge of all the dollars. Every price would become transparent. Every ⁓ doctor hospital would want your business. They would be competitive. They'd be bringing the prices down. And know you had a doctor working for you. They weren't working for the insurance company. They weren't working for the health plan. They weren't working for the government. They're working for you and your cash in hand. they would all the ethics, everything patient centered, confidential, everything that you want and need in medicine and in healthcare would come back when you got the third party payers out and became a first party payer system. You pay the bills. but with catastrophic insurance on the side and charity for the real who need charity care.

Moore To Consider: You know, so I can't remember how long ago I heard this from what source, but I remember hearing, cause I'm a history buff, that a lot of this started with post-World War II, like sort wage freezes that were going on. The government was pushing wage freezes, I guess, going from Eisenhower to Kennedy in that timeframe. And the businesses as a benefit to throw into some packages started to do. ⁓ healthcare as an aspect of your employment, which it had never really been until this post-World War II era. And they said, when you say catastrophic, it was built in that insurance meant a two day stay in the hospital. Like that's basically what it was coverage for. Because like you said, everything else was just go to the doctor. And I know we're in a different time, but I remember seeing this as something like, it's a piece of nostalgia. See it in the last few years. They showed the bill of the delivery of a baby in like 1943. And you look at the bottom line, it's like $19 and 27 cents. So, know, it was this was $3 and half, and this was this. And then to the whole shooting match, the doc to come in and basically take care of the birth of a child was $19 and some change. Now, again, I get it's 19. It's, you know, it's coming out of the great depression, you know, but. We've, we're in such a world of what the value of a dollar is today compared to what the actual dollar is, is, you know, was it probably since 1955, that dollar would have 10 times the buying power of today's dollar. It's probably like a 10 to one ratio. And we have been conditioned that we think every time we have a sniffle, whatever, yeah, we'll go to the doc. mean, it might be little bit of a copay, but it's covered. Everything's covered. Then. You start to realize all the layers of costs and just doing something. You get the $40 copay and then you look at the bill at $637 and it was to see a doctor for five minutes to find out you have a head cold. I mean, that's an exaggeration, but it's not too far off. So, uh, you're right too. If people had to pay out of pocket, the choices they would make to go to the dock in the box, the urgent care, whatever. That's going to go down drastically. So it's a game.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Thank you for watching.

Moore To Consider: And you got to believe the medical industry is in on it a little bit too, because they're certainly getting volume of care because everybody thinks that the, the medical care they're carrying is a bingo card and they just go exercising whenever they want for whatever they want. And, know, we opened with the freedom thing since I think we were certainly living a society of, You know, I'm at an age, my parents lived in 90 plus and gosh, they were, they were born in that latter part of the greater, greatest generation. My dad dismissed world war two, but got drafted during Korea, but I've been around those people. I'm sure you have too. You know, they've got cash in, in a coffee can out buried in the yard somewhere. They were scared of the banks because of the depression. They were different kinds of people. We don't have the people today. And what I mean by that is they saved. And they thought in terms of you don't do anything you can't afford today. You don't buy things on time. You know, that's just a different, so we have a different person. So not only do I think your policies may be better. think they are. How much pulling around by the nose do we have to do to the general public to what you're saying about the overall effect is going to be a net benefit to everyone except maybe the medical industry. How do we do that?

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: I think actually, first of all, I'm just going to say it would be a benefit to the medical establishment as well. Now, maybe not the health care systems, except just imagine we had all the third party payers retroactive utilization review, all the data reporting, quality metrics, everything that the third party payer requires before they will ever pay the bill.

Moore To Consider: Okay. Right. Right.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: All of that costs so much money and not a whit of it goes into actual medical care. So it's almost like the entire healthcare system is working for somebody else, not the patient. Now the patient and the doctor have to exist for the healthcare system to continue to exploited. ⁓

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: by all of these companies who want all of our data, who want to take all our money and then say that for prior authorization, we're not going to let you have access to care or, for government, whoever. There's a lot of exploitation happening in the health care system because we are not paying our own bills. We are not watching the prices. We are not making decisions. We're just like, well, whatever my health plan can give me, that's what I'll take, which is

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: really ridiculous because the health plan does not have your best interest in mind. And the doctor is the only one who has the medical expertise to tell you what is the best for you. And even he or she is looking at the protocols and going, well, okay, the protocol for what will actually work for this patient is not in the computer. So let me see, what's the next best protocol for this patient, right? Or if I choose this protocol, I'm going to have to go through prior authorization. But if I don't, If I choose this one, I won't have to. So I'm just going to take the easy way out. And so entire healthcare system would be better if everything was first party payment. If the patient and the doctor were fully engaged with each other, all the third party payers were gone. All the prices were known. Competition was really there and charity existed. people really afraid of charity and they should not be afraid of charity. the entire healthcare system would be better if everything was first party payment. If the patient and the doctor were fully with each other, all the third party payers were gone. All the prices were known. Competition was really there and charity existed. ⁓ people are really afraid of charity The worst thing in the world and a huge drain on the entire healthcare system is Medicaid. The worst thing in the world and a huge drain on the entire healthcare system is Medicaid. So I'm speaking as a nurse, so I'm a nurse that's taking care of lots of Medicaid patients. And I know a lot of Medicaid patients who won't even get the care that they could get for free because it's like, well, I don't have that much time. I don't want to go. I don't want to take that time. I don't want to sit in the waiting room. I don't want to do this. I don't want to that. Right? And so, but the health plans. who now have the entire, almost the entire Medicaid business, they get paid per member per month, every month. It is a cash cow for them. And yet if people who are truly poor and truly cannot pay for medical care, if they actually receive charity, several would happen. They would suddenly feel grateful. then they would have a relationship with the doctor who looked at them and realized that, I can have this relationship with you. I can be giving and generous toward you. I know doctors that have told me, specialists even, orthopedists, who would just as soon give care charitably rather than work through the Medicaid system. And when all the prices come down to the cash-based level, far fewer people would even need charity. And I can speak as an emergency room nurse. who had lots of Medicaid patients who would come into the ER for something really minimal. And the first stop that they made after I got them into the room was to the vending machines. Now just imagine if all they had to pay for that visit was the cost of vending machines. And you know for the most part, they could, right? even if they couldn't, charity them would bring back... gratitude and would bring back generosity. And I've had doctors tell me if they just didn't have to do all the work of third-party payment, all the reporting, all the quality metrics, all the retroactive utilization review, pajama time, which is the hours that they spend into the evening reporting all the data just to get paid. If they didn't have to do that, they would have time and money for charity.

Moore To Consider: See, is going to be a weird lane to go down, but ⁓ went to a Christian-based law school and one of my professors said just as the Trinity was reflected in the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, we have this relationship of man, of family, state, and church. And he said whenever one of these aspects of whatever one's belief system, you can certainly see that we have the tribe, we have the church, we have whatever that government thing is. And that he was a very libertarian guy such as I am. And he made a great point. He said, whenever you try to do something that's not of that creation, you screw it up. And he was including, he said, like with drugs, when the state tries to prosecute, create a black market. And I could say like, okay, well, the person's not a pharmacist. They're putting something on the street that could be potentially dangerous. You know, maybe the person slinging the drugs, but not the user. But he made these points. And I bring up that point to say. I just can't, because I'm such a strict libertarian, how I see things, I always look at by what jurisdiction, by what function. I don't see the government be involved in healthcare at all. I just don't think that's a function. know, Ayn Rand, I was a big fan of her, you know, when she was asked one time, what's the function of government? She goes, protect individual rights, life and property against force and fraud from others. Bam, done. That's it. So when I used to teach criminal justice, I used say, hey, grandma's walking down the street, gets hit over the head, the purse gets taken. Her property's been affected, her life's been affected. You prosecute the wrongdoer. But when we get into all this government and you just made a great point about the charity aspect, it becomes faceless and people don't have an appreciation for faceless. If they have to go to somebody and ask for help, a part of humanity that comes in, the giver and the receiver. There's things that need to happen. So if you told me, well, would it be a function of the church to have hospitals in it? They have. It's worked. Okay. ⁓ could families get together and pool their resources? They have, they could, but the government, that's, that's not one of their, they're supposed to administer justice. They're not supposed to be involved in these other things. Now I say all that because that's my mindset. That's not the average person. see the government as all answers. This has been conditioned over periods of time. No doubt. We're certainly in that environment now. So I hear everything you're saying. But I'm just thinking your M1A1 standard issue person on the street, are they hearing, I mean, what are they thinking? I don't think they see through what you're saying about it could be in the end, advantageous in the quality of care and the cost and all the rest. They're not hearing that. Is that not, I mean, like what percent of people even understand what you just said? I mean, really.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: It's true that a lot of people today do not remember what real health insurance was. So all they know is the health plan and the government has given us the health plan, put the health plan in that controlling position. I think of it as the corporate version of socialized medicine and very much like in Canada where everybody thinks, ⁓ we had a great system. Well, until they get sick and then they look at places like

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: timely medical alternatives, which will help them to get to America or Belgium or somewhere where they can get care in time to save their life, right? So it looks all very good until you need it. And the fact of the matter is that most people don't need medical care. Most people don't. Most people go through an entire year of their life seeing a doctor. You know, it's just, it's just not, you know, all that common that you actually need to see a doctor. ⁓ so it,

Moore To Consider: Right. Right.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: feels good until it doesn't. And you know, very much like the people who are in Medicare and they're in Medicare Advantage. Now the government has three reports out that say that Medicare Advantage plans are rationing ⁓ necessary, Medicare they're rationing this kind of approved care to seniors and then expecting the seniors to go appeal. And of course, if they go through the entire burden of appealing, % of the time, the health plans will reverse their decision, but only 1 % of people ever go through the appeals process. And so it's very lucrative for the health plan, but it feels great because a lot of them are not paying any premium whatsoever. They get all these extra benefits up front. get gym memberships. know, everything looks just great. But then when they get something really serious, suddenly, all of the rationing mechanisms come out and now they're stuck. They're stuck in Medicare Advantage having to figure out how they can get the care that they need. And I think that's where everybody is with healthcare. They're paying these extraordinary prices. They're expecting to have coverage at the end of the day. And if they're young and they're productive, they probably will. If they're too young and things are bad, they may or may not get it. And if they're older, they may or may not get it. And depending on what their diagnosis is in the hospital and can they Medicare advantage doesn't even let you go to cancer treatment centers for the most part. you I think until you test the system, you don't know. And then when you do test the system, you're vulnerable because now you're sick, you're dying, you're injured, you know, whatever.

Moore To Consider: All Okay. But I guess again, when I hear these things, my mind keeps going to, it's a flawed system because it's not designed around the best outcome an individual. It's based upon best outcomes for the system. So eventually with the managed care system, choices will be made. So the individual doesn't really have any flexibility outside this box to get better care. again, I think if you have people that are sold in this kind of mass hypnosis of ⁓ is what's best for all. I don't know. It's, I can't wrap my head around my, I definition of function of government. don't see where healthcare. Or even these, should be left up to the free market. The free market would decide. I mean, you opened up with LASIK surgery, great one, because I a friend of mine get it done 20 years ago and he dropped like 20 grand or something like that. And with time, with competition and actually with increases in the, because I hear now the surgery is much, much better than it was even 20 years ago. So the quality of care keeps going up. The cost keeps going down. And it's all outside of the insurance. And that's a great example. Cause like you say, well, you can get away maybe now for like, what, uh, five grand or less to get both eyes done. Yeah. And everybody would say that there's been advancements in the technique. Okay. So what does that tell you? But I don't, I I'm almost at the point of shutdown as to a lot of these discussions because God bless you for doing the work you're doing, but it just feel like until people see.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: That's life.

Moore To Consider: Thomas Sowell, who I dearly love, Thomas Sowell will be 96 this year. And I remember seeing him once, he was so brilliant. He is so brilliant. He's still doing a lot, but he's talking somewhere. They're like, well, you look at everything in the eyes of an economist. He goes, yes, I do. I'm an economist. So I see the cost of things. see where you're this particular person, you're a politician. can wish, or you can promise the moon, the stars, but you can't back it.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: it.

Moore To Consider: It'll get you a three year term. mean, a four year term or whatever you might get reelected, but you're setting down costs down the road. There's going to have consequences that that's going to continue to cost people. Whether it's in healthcare where you're going to have lesser care, greater costs, whatever, but they can spin it to a public. That's like, I don't understand why. I guess I'm crying a different cry here, but for issue, but. I just don't understand why people don't see through how much of the government doesn't come through with anything. All they tend to do is screw everything up. And then I just don't understand why people can't see that. Now, I guess the question I would have is with your knowledge of all this, there attempts to work, not only crusade against it, is there a way to free market us out of this? Are ways to create models? That work on a better model and then destroy the bad. That's what I'd ask.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Yeah, I think there are already models, but probably not enough people about them. And people are stuck in their employer sponsored coverage that they don't even understand that it's a theft. It's actually theft. ⁓ It's their wages, whatever their is paying towards their health plan and sending it to this health plan.

Moore To Consider: Right. Right.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: That is money that they could have had in their pocket and they could have bought their own real health insurance policy would pay them cash when they get sick. It would be a contract between them and their insurer, not this triangle that happens with a health plan. ⁓ And so ⁓ they're stuck on that and they're like, well, that's safe because it comes through the employer. But it's this taking so much more money than that they would ever have to.

Moore To Consider: Right.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: provide. You know, I've talked to people who have had the real health insurance policies before the Affordable Care Act. And you know, there are people who paid like $66 a month or $32 a month or $100 a month. And it was there just for the catastrophic and insurable events. And so then they would make cash and cash decisions. you know, for all the stuff under that. And so they got to save all this extra money for themselves. They got to

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: buy a car, you know, rather than give all this to the health plans who can then have the power to deny you access to the care that you need. So I think, you know, the American public and particularly the young public has grown up in this system of health plans, no real health insurance, the employer gives it to you, they just sort of want to be taken care of and they get taken care of from their first job when usually the employer gives it to them. But why? Why is the employer doing that?

Moore To Consider: Right, right.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Is the employer going to give them their house insurance? And what if we had insurance for food? What if we had insurance for food? I just like people think about that. What if the government gave us insurance for food, all of us, or mandated it, right? Well, how many times would you get steak? How many options would there be at the grocery store? If the government didn't fund it, gone is the option, right?

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm. Right. Sure.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: And so what happens when the government gets in these things that really impact your life is it ⁓ your choices and it increase your costs. And of course it restricts your freedom. And just thinking about that in healthcare because they've been brought up in a completely different system. And now the older people, well not now, but ever since Medicare, the older people initially, this was the best thing since. ⁓ sliced bread. 19 million people suddenly got free health care and boom in July of 1966 19 million people hadn't a dime into Medicare and suddenly they had free access to medical care, surgeries, anything that they wanted. Didn't have to pay a cent. Well that caused a run on the treasury essentially ⁓ so started you know charging them a little bit here a little bit there right but still the senior citizens have a really good deal. They're losing their good deal. They don't know they're losing their good deal. It's running out of money. It's going to be insolvent in 19...19...yeah, no, not 19...2033. 2033, which means it's only going to be able to pay 89 % of its bills. And in 2022, that 11 % that it won't pay, in 2022, that would have been 99.5%.

Moore To Consider: 20.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: billion of care that the government would not have paid. And so, you know, when you, when a Medicare senior looks at their prices and they see what the hospital charged, what Medicare said was an approved rate, then what Medicare paid and then what they have left, they're like, this is such a great deal. Right. But what you really know in there is how little the hospital and the doctors need. If they're willing to accept that price,

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: which is 10 % of their original charge or 15 % of their original charge, you know what they can live on. And they could probably have it up to 20 or 25%, right? And get all of that third party morass out of there and they'd be making out like bandits. And that's what the real price of healthcare is. It's just that American public doesn't see it. They see these inflated prices, they see these... Prices that have to do with paying for all these third party activities that give anything to the actual ⁓ of care or taking care of people, right? And they're afraid and they just want somebody to take care of them because they couldn't handle those prices on their own. But those prices aren't real.

Moore To Consider: All right, so when we look at, when we've watched enough movies growing up and we look at mob movies and we look at mobsters being paid tribute, type, you know, I kind of think sometimes that's kind of what the politician looks like. You know, the politician is in a position to enact legislation or at least push it down the road. And you look where their money comes from, you look at who funds their elections or their campaigns, et cetera. I don't want to put you on the spot here, but it's sort of like you have to ask the question. It sounds like any other type of setup where they're taking somewhat of what you'd call the naturally, I mean, how far back does medicine go or doctors go or some type of idea of someone in the tribe our, our tribal history where somebody had the medicine man, whoever it was, it was administering some type of healthcare. It seems like a group of people who are getting into somewhat of a necessary function of society and enriching themselves at the expense of whoever, including the patient. So it looks like to me, it's, it's some level of scam. mean, everything you're saying, I get it. There's all these built in costs and all the rest. And it sounds like it's just a bureaucratic mess. That's it. It's what it is. So are conditioned. Well, I wanted to ask you this too, cause you made this comment, how much it really might cost the employee to have so much taken out of their paycheck to pay for a system that's really not working to their benefit. I'm sure this is a state to state issue, but how much, how much latitude does an employee at any point in employment, maybe it's after the contract's been signed, but

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Yeah.

Moore To Consider: Can anybody just walk in or is there anywhere they can walk in and say, you know, I've been looking at this. I want a hundred percent of what I make. I'll go figure out my healthcare. How much of a lane do you have for that decision?

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: I do not think there is much of a lane for that. employer say, the part that I give the plan on your behalf is actually my money. And I could give you higher wages if I wasn't going to do that. But I can't really sporadically like, okay, I'm going to pay you separately all the money. And then this guy over here wants the insurance. And I'm going to just parse it out according to all the employees, whichever that they want. Part of the reason this doesn't happen is because health plan comes to the employer and says, if you have 60 % of your employees, then the cost will be this. If you have 70%, if you have 80%, and so the price providing the coverage for the employer goes down the more employees that they can get in there. Plus, they don't really want to have to administer this for this employee like that and that employee like this and that sort of thing. Although we do encourage people to ask their employer if they could get their full compensation in cash so that they could figure out what they wanted to do with the money. If they want to go out and buy their own coverage, they could. But even today, the prices are inflated because they don't have real health insurance to buy. But let's just say that they did and they could have that, you know, $66 a month or $32 or $100 a month that used to be the cost of real health insurance.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: That would be the way to go. would be get your full compensation and cash. Don't be tied to the employer. Now some employers like it when the employees are tied to them. It's called golden handcuffs so that they can keep their employees there. They don't have to have such a turnover because they know their employees are going to want to keep the coverage. ⁓

Moore To Consider: Right. Right.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: So even though they don't get raises like they should get or would get if it wasn't that the health plans were demanding more and more and more every year to the coverage, the employee tend to stay. Because they'll be thinking, ⁓ I can't go out there on my own and pay these kind of prices, right? So they will stay.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Boy, I, I I've been hearing you, everything you're saying is making sense, but it's so ingrained into the system that I, I just know. The only thing I can think of and have kind of alluded to this is, know, some kind of a gradual chipping away, but I just think that. I think it's almost like if you said you had a study that showed if we drove on the left side of the road, it would be safer. it would take a little bit of time for, you know, this side of the pond to get everybody to like, except even if you had every study to show that everybody's been on the right side of the road for so long. And I think it's just such, so much of this is ingrained and you have that aspect of everything you're saying. The average person, it's not their fault necessarily. don't know if you want a signed blame, but they have no idea what the costs are. They just don't know. I mean, they're, they're going day to day. It's all I know is I go in and I flip my card here that says I'm part of some plan and I get care and they take $25 when I do it. That's all I know. And I go to the, pharmacy and I pay X and I get my prescriptions filled. So that's all they really know. And it could be gouging them in the way that you're implying, which you're right. but that's just the system.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Well, I would say when you look at of the systems that are out there that people are finding who actually want a doctor who cares for them, who doesn't want an AI protocol or doesn't want a non-physician, they can't get into a physician, right? They're only given non-physicians for their care or only given telehealth or whatever it is, right? They actually want a person. So the direct primary care doctors who have gone free for themselves and that's completely cash-based. So the family, the individual, whomever pays a set price, quarterly, annually, or monthly, and they get all the care that the doctor has on the list of things that he or she will do, including phone calls and texts and emails and, you know, throughout the weekend and whatever else, right? But then there's also places like the Surgery Center of Oklahoma, which is all cash-based surgery. And when they started that surgery center, The first people to come were the Canadians. And the second group of people that came were the uninsured all around the country. And now they still see people all around the country, insured or uninsured. But the other thing is that the state of Oklahoma has said to all of their employees, if you go to the surgery center of Oklahoma, no co-pays, no deductibles, no coinsurance, you'll pay nothing. We, the state, will pay everything.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: And that's because the surgery sensors prices can be as much as 90, 90 % less than the hospital up the street. Yeah. And so guys who started this, the physician and his partner who started this, they have been trying to go around the country and help other people start these because this just shows you that with cash, how low the prices can go when all the third parties are out.

Moore To Consider: Wow. Yeah.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: all these decision makers, all of these extraneous corporations, all the data industry, you know, that is profiting off the current exploitative healthcare system.

Moore To Consider: All right. I'm going to, when you're talking about all of these things related to people and their doctor, you wrote, to your bio here, the COVID-19 quick guide. I want to ask you, it's been downloaded more than 150,000 times. on many shows I've mentioned that I read 1984. think the first time I read it was in high school, maybe, you know, and, actually saw the. the William Shatner version of it in black and white. so, you know, I was kind of aware of that brave new world, little, little, you know, idea about that. And, Huxley actually died the same day as Kennedy and CS Lewis. There's an interesting thing about they all died November 22nd, 1963, but you know, there were some books that kind of gave you that little bit of it could go this way. And I'm watching it with COVID and I'm watching people. speaking in ways people I knew, I knew well, were just saying the most astronomically crazy things. And I really began to question the medical industry. mean, like really, who can we trust? Because I know that some of it was, some people were more like on board with what was happening than others for sure. And I watched the most disturbing, I think could find it on YouTube. There was a hearing that Senator Ron Johnson, Wisconsin. I think it's, yeah. And there were, there were doctors, the one that scared me the most, I know I'm going off subject, but I got a point here. The one that scared me the most, was a doctor that said he got a call from a 60 year old woman, 60 ish. Her mom's 86. And she goes, mom just got diagnosed with COVID. He goes, here's what you do. Go to CVS. Don't look back. Don't speak to anybody. Don't just go get this prescription. Do not tell a soul that I talked to you. mean, like it'll be there. have her take it, do not take her to the hospital. If she goes to the hospital, she's dead in 48 hours. He gives her whatever he gives her she survives it. She's 86 years of age. And Johnson's like, let me get this straight. Then a woman had been, you know, taking her privileges out of some hospital has been taken away because she wouldn't follow the protocols. So there's this regime type of, approach that they're taking to how you handle COVID. And it's basically a bunch of doctors testifying to a US center at this committee meeting that they were doing everything they could on, you know, skirting around what was they were being told to do to save people. And I'm like, this is, I what the hell? This is actually, these people are fighting back tears. They're talking about the things. So I'd seen enough. And I saw it with some people I knew in the medical industry. I'm like, I don't really recognize you anymore. So I say all that to say, I don't know if you've seen studies or there's been any real measurement, but I got to believe people are seeing the whole medical industry a lot different. There has to be some people that his eyes were open to it, which I'm where I'm driving or I'm going with this is I would think some people would be more open. Having seen how government intertwined with the pharmaceutical industry and the rest. And led to what's now six years ago and I can't believe it's been six years. Right. So would have thought that would have been an eye opener, but then again, I don't know that it didn't take people down further down a rabbit hole sometimes with the way people see the world. it was an eye opener for me because I never thought I'd live through that and see, that was always the part that bothered me the most is I'm, I'm like, wow, that has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard or.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Amazing.

Moore To Consider: Isn't everybody seeing through this and it just keeps happening. so I would think that where, where are people with the medical industry as a result of COVID? If you know, like what's been kind of said about the M1A1 patient out there, do they see the world different now?

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Yeah, so there was about 25 % of the public who refused the shot, which gives you sort of an idea of where you start from. then you get the people who gradually started to realize that they were being lied to, and they had taken some shots, or they saw the damage, or whatever it was, right? Or family members went to the hospital and they died.

Moore To Consider: Right? Mm-hmm.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: And then they later learned about ivermectin and they later learned that there were ways that they could have lived and they heard the story. So I think the interesting thing that has happened because of COVID is that a lot of people's eyes were opened ⁓ both sides of the political aisle, their eyes were opened. Some have actually apologized for ever pushing the shot, know, just, you know, just.

Moore To Consider: Yeah.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Republicans, Democrats, everyone sort of realizing what ⁓ truth is. And there's a lot of people who are afraid of the hospital and they also don't trust the health officials. And now the health officials talk about this publicly. How will they get the trust of the American people back? Well, we said from the very, very, very beginning, because back in 2002 or 2001,

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: The CDC came out with a state, model state emergency health powers act and they wanted every state to pass this and it would have put the health officials in a controlling position. And way back then we said, you know, you need to be persuasive, not coercive. But all the powers that they got back at time, we saw used 18 years later during COVID.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: where those health officials were very coercive. There was no persuasion going on. And now they want to know, can we get the American people to trust us on vaccines? How can we get them to do this? Well, of course, as soon as you move into coercion and out of persuasion and the American people realize you've lied to them. ⁓ As matter of fact, Burks, remember Dr. Deborah Burks, the woman with the scarves, right?

Moore To Consider: Yeah. Yeah.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: On Fox News in July 2022, she said something to this effect. I knew that the shot wasn't going to work, right? I knew that it wasn't going to work, but. So, you know, they were lying and they were chronically lying. And Fauci knew that Ivermectin worked against SARS coronavirus. He knew it from a study that was done in 2005.

Moore To Consider: Yeah.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: You know, these are things that were known and they just lied for other purposes. And so I think there's a lot of people afraid. There's a lot of people who don't trust their doctors. There's a lot of people looking for doctors or absolutely refusing medicine and going straight to, you know, naturopathy and other kinds of alternative doctors alternative practitioners. And then there's a complete distrust of the Health officials except for the people who are still taking shots today and still wearing masks today, they're still trusting the health officials

Moore To Consider: So that brings up a thing and I'm really not trying to be dismissive of anyone else, but I was working at a college at the time and I guess I can say this now because I'm not working, I retired from there and just moved on with my life. I was in a class and I was told I could teach without a mask and I went to the class without a mask and I just skirted down different hallways and just avoided people. Then they gave me a plastic shield to wear. I'm like, yeah, I'll wear the shield when it may, you know. And I didn't buy into it. So I get into class and I could tell the students are looking at me like, Mr. Moore's not wearing his mask. And I have this professor and I'm in an like, you large place where I was teaching and have a three by three foot piece of plastic off to the side and I'm loud and I'm running around like, and then like slowly some of them started taking it off. And one of them eventually said, your rule on this? said, the school has a rule. It's not my place to enforce it. You can read it on the wall. Are you saying, I'm like, I'm not saying anything. I'm the school has a rule. I'm not in a place to enforce it. So you're saying I'm not saying anything. So slowly they just started coming to class. didn't wear anyway. The thing that scared me and I may have told you this in this first show, but there was a guy, this is the part that. was revealed to me that really frightened me and gave me all these feelings of 1984, Twila Zone, love Rod Serling. mean, gosh, he covered a lot of this stuff too. You know, mind control and there's a guy next to me that always seemed like the nicest guy. And I'm walking down through our little faculty area and he's got a picture up of a menacing figure with needle and syringe like yay big. And it's being jabbed into a guy who's being tied into a chair and it's being jabbed in and it says, mandate, we didn't think we'd have to mandate. We didn't think you were that stupid. So I'm looking at a friend of mine. I'm like, that's kind of highly offensive. Like, okay, big guy. Don't just, you know, run your mouth. Tell him like, you know what? think I will. So I take them in a room, all mild mannered guy, like to thought the world of them. And I said, what is the message you're going for? goes, well, I just think it's very important that everyone be vaccinated. I said, okay. Okay. I said, uh, I got sick in January of. and I'm pretty damn sure after a flight that I was on lost 16 pounds cough, like I've never coughed in my life. The hell I think I probably had COVID then. So what about natural immunity? Because I don't think that applies here. So you don't think natural immunity applies to this. You know, and then I saw the video, they brought up a Fauci where somebody 20 years ago he's on good morning in America and like, Hey, my daughter just had the flu. She, she get the flu. She goes, hell no. She's got natural immunity now. So they pull this thing, you know where I'm going. So I told the guy we, we. work, I'm in Virginia, there's government type of places all around where people work. And I said, we could very well have a student that comes down the hall whose dad just lost his job at the shipyard, let's say, because he wouldn't take the shot. And you're saying his dad's stupid. ⁓ I didn't say that at all. And I'm like, you don't think that that, that picture, and it was like right out of like a world war two type of propaganda type of poster.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Mm-hmm.

Moore To Consider: And there's jabbing it and you know, and you're too stupid. And that's the part I know I'm making a big thing, but I was like, who are these people I work with now? You're putting that kind of imagery up and you're referring to people who to choose not to get vaccinated as stupid. So like, okay. Then one day I'm in the parking lot. I'm on the phone with a friend of mine and one of my colleagues pulls in, we had two campuses, like 35 miles apart. He's pulling it into state car.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Mmm.

Moore To Consider: by himself and as he's driving to the lot to park the state car, he's masked up to his eyes in the car by himself. I'm like, I'm sorry. mean, I don't ever say a word to people. I see today people they're all over the place and I think they're still afraid. But I'm like, what level of reasoning would it take to think if I have it, I can't give it to myself and I'm probably not getting it off the console. I guess they still believe that. That they, the last person that drove it that was in the car 36 hours ago is going to give it. I don't know. I don't think the shelf life on it was exactly 36 hours was ever really, but, but, I'm, I'm, I'm around these people. I'm around these people that are wearing mask in a vehicle by themselves. You know, and so I walked into a UPS and there's a 24 year old girl behind the counter. And as soon as I walked through the door, she's screaming, get out, you need a mask. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, slow down. I'm just.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: or biking outside.

Moore To Consider: No, you know, and I'm like, you're 24. Maybe you're maybe 24. You're perfectly healthy and slow down. Then they're screaming and it's like, you know, a year into it. So there's a mind virus. I think that went on with all that. So I get what you're saying. I think you might also be going down a road that maybe some people are missing out on some care that they shot. They probably should be because they've gone so far overboard to not trust the medical industry. But let's face it. Let's face it though.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: I

Moore To Consider: If Ivermectin had any use towards an alternative cure or some, not cure, it's certainly as, a, or would have been a useful treatment for sad. If you lie about that at all and support a vaccine, which is not really a vaccine, according to those that say that, you're supporting something which now has a pretty questionable history already. You've lost all credibility. I'm sorry. If everybody walks out on the whole industry, I get it. You know, go to a witch doctor. mean, whatever, I mean, do whatever the hell you want to. they lied to you and grandma died or somebody, know, Hey, it's over. So I'm wondering, is an opening to restructure the whole thing? Cause there's enough people there now seeing it different.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Mm-hmm. Right. I think, I kind of hope that what we're at is a, what do you call that? You know, the perfect storm, right? So these things, these forces come together. The force of truth overlies when your eyes are opened and you see this kind of thing happening. And then you got this other force, which is saying that we're going to make you poor.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, yeah.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: to offer you coverage with no guarantee you can access anything when you need help. So we got an entire system that we're all paying oodles and kaboodles of money for that is allowed to deny us access to care and is exploiting us and hurting us and hurting the doctor. then we got this whole eyes now, the public system lied to us, doctors lied to us.

Moore To Consider: Yeah.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: We died at hospitals unnecessarily. They wouldn't even let us say goodbye to grandma. We couldn't have weddings. We couldn't have funerals. We couldn't have any of this. And so people that are looking, they're looking. So, you when I talk about the 3C solution, I see people's eyes light up because they're like, that's all I want. All I want is an inexpensive catastrophic policy and then pay cash and then have those cash prices come down.

Moore To Consider: Yeah.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: And they don't talk much about charity, but I think this would be a great time for me to tell a charity story. So a physician that I was sitting next to, we were both on a panel discussion and somebody in the audience said, well, tell me about Medicaid. He said, ⁓ you want me to tell you about Medicaid? Here's a story for you. He said several weeks ago, I had a 45 minute appointment with a woman who's covering to his Medicaid. And I did all of the paperwork to get paid for Medicaid.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: And eventually, you know, the check came in the mail. And so I opened it up and I pulled it out and it was a check for 32 cents. Cents. 32 cents. So, you know, stamp that went on that envelope cost twice as much as the check that was in the envelope, right? ⁓ he said, I would just as soon have given that woman charity than have been, you know, insulted.

Moore To Consider: Right, yeah.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: with a 32 cent payment for my time and expertise. And so, you know, I think people could actually get their mind around it because they're feeling hurt and feeling like they can't trust anybody and they realize that the power of the dollar, know, cash is king. It really is. Who's ever got it? He who holds the dollars makes the rules. And so, In medicine, there is a mission. There has always been a mission, the mission of medicine. But the mission of medicine has been taken over by the business of healthcare. And anybody who needs care feels that, they see it. They realize they can't get a doctor or the doctor's in there for five minutes or the doctor has their back to them the entire time entering data in the computer, or the doctor is pushing them to get a vaccine when they don't want one. You know, all of this stuff is not patient centered. It's

Moore To Consider: Yeah.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: It feels impersonal, feels pressured, it feels many things for many people. so it's possible that we have a perfect storm going on. And if they could just see the 3C vision of cash catastrophic coverage and charity, which is how healthcare used to be. And yes, it could come through the churches. It maybe should come through the churches because they have the mission, right? And maybe that's where, you know. That's where it can actually begin again to go back to what healthcare is supposed to be and get it out of data grabbing exploitative hands of all the corporations and the government who are using healthcare and doctors and patients for their own purposes. is not the healthcare today. The patient is not the point in healthcare today. Although the doctors and nurses are all trying to make it that way and keep it that way, but it's really not. There a study recently in one system that the doctor spent 11 minutes with the patient and 37 minutes with paperwork. But so ⁓ treating the chart, right? They're treating the paperwork. They're not really treating the patient.

Moore To Consider: Yeah. You know, I think you would agree that most of the time when you throw out the charity, what you're doing, I mean, you're, you're, you're advocating potential, um, alleviation of some of these problems or alleviating some of these problems through charity. You'll always get the, yeah, but charity won't step up and do enough, blah, blah. So this is another strange story. I saw all I have a strange stories, but I'm teaching 20 years ago. And I got a kid in class, I'm teaching criminal justice at a community college and I get this guy scary brilliant. You can just tell he's crazy brilliant. And one day he comes up and he goes, you're a libertarian type. And I go, how can you tell? He goes, well, you don't really push either party. You question everything. I go, well, is it that obvious? And he goes, yeah, I get from the way, you know, when I would teach things, what Republicans good, Democrats bad, it was just always, they're all skeptical. skeptical of all. So he picked up on that and I said, okay, what's your story? Like you're the 150 IQ kid, what's going on here? And he goes, yeah, my IQ is pretty, it's pretty high. You're right. Et cetera, et cetera. He goes, I got a lot of emotional and mental health issues. I'm like, okay, okay. So he's talking to me and he goes, yeah, I just kind of quit on life about five years ago. Just quit on life. I just couldn't deal with things and I just hit the road. I saw you took a backpack and hit the road. And I said, interesting. And he goes, like Mr. Moore, like I traveled. I went around the country, hitchhiked and did different things. And he goes, I'll tell you something about this country. This is 20 years ago. I'll you something about this country. Because I knocked on the door of all these churches and asked for help. Not one time that they proselytized, not one time that they tell me they were conditioned, they all fed me and took care of me. Black churches, white churches, different denominations, people stepped up. They never asked anything of me. The reason tell you that story is because they ever tell you that the charity is not there, I lived it. I would knock on church's doors and say, I'm hungry and I'm cold. They would put me in rooms and they would feed me. Never ask a thing from me. Not once. And because this was in the Midwest, it was in the South. I don't care where I went. And I was like, wow, that's really interesting. He goes, yeah, I, it really shocked me, sir. He goes, I'll tell you, it shocked me and it woke me up and it gave me some purpose because I thought, okay, if these people are this good. I came back. And friends were like, well, dabbling college, just go take some community college courses. And that's why I'm here. And you can tell as I tell that it really struck me. was like, Whoa. Yeah. That I just, here to say it 20 plus years later because you'd always kind of hear that, well, the churches can't handle, the churches can't deal with all this. They will, if you ask them to often, we don't go to church the way we did. The country is not where it was at one time. But that was always a special thing I thought about Ron Paul. Of all the politicians, he's always, I thought was the granddaddy of the kind of libertarian or the godfather of the libertarian guy. He used to deliver babies at a Catholic church for a dollar a day. Like he would do all he did for $1 a day to have some compensation. He's beautiful, right? He's a Vietnam veteran. He's a medical doctor. And he gets it. mean, if there's anybody again, like I said, it's the godfather of kind of the movement, it's Ron Paul. But it's interesting. He's delivering babies for a dollar a day. He's doing his part. He's a medical doctor. So there's some people that, I don't know. I just, I there's gotta be greater and greater formation of people that think honestly, like we do. If you're freedom, yeah. I

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Yep. Well, ⁓

Moore To Consider: I think we're in, we're on the same boat at least we're, we're, we're advocating for freedom. You're in there actually fighting the system. I'm just running my mouth. I get it. It's different. But, I don't know if there's, if one person hears the story of kind of what I'm saying about where I think the lines are drawn, maybe they see the world different.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Well, you the one, the one, but a great thing about this country is volunteerism and charity. And they come from our, you know, Christian background, they come from our founding, which really came with, even though everybody wasn't Judeo-Christian or the founders, the majority of them were and everybody else really accepted the values. And part the problem, I think, that has happened to this country ⁓ is that all women are working. Now I'm a woman and I'm working, but I was a school nurse. It was very hard to find women to come and take their children when they had to have their children taken out of the school because they broke their arm, they got lice, whatever it was, And I also did hearing and vision screening. It was very hard to find parents who could actually come in because they were all busy. When you take...

Moore To Consider: Yeah. Yeah.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: both members of the nuclear family and you put them at a job and they're exhausted by the end of the day, charity and volunteerism sort of go out the window until they retire. And we could have all of that back and we could have decreased prices. I mean, there's so much that would just like sort itself out if there were the majority of the women were actually, know women are just gonna like hate this idea, but it's really a good idea for the country.

Moore To Consider: Yeah.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: It's a great idea for freedom. Imagine how much less money the government would have if the women's taxes and working work, you know, funding the thing. Right. I mean, there's so much that the women could do to protect this country by not working. It's not just about their children, just about their family, how they could re the country back to its founding and how they could protect it because they would be there. Right now, there's like nobody. unless you're retired, and usually not if you're on welfare. You're not tending to volunteer when you're on welfare, really. So it's like the retirees that are the ones that are volunteering the most in this country, or if there are women who are not working. We could bring the greatness of the country back. And I think that's part of the problem. And of course, you've got these schools teaching these students how to be socialists, who want to be taken care of, right?

Moore To Consider: ⁓ absolutely. Yes.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: And so, and nobody's protecting the children against that kind of indoctrination because the women are all working.

Moore To Consider: You've got my biggest soapbox issue. The one thing that I think is the biggest abomination and absolutely not the function of government is to have anything to do with education. Not at all. Because you're going to make the state the religion. default, you're going to make the state. you know all the works. You understand that destroy the nuclear family. You're halfway to creating, creating a little communist. mean, that's, that's what you're doing. And this is not going to go over well either, but I've certainly seen my share of women that like reach a certain age and they're like, all I ever really wanted was some man and have babies and all that, but they've climbed the corporate ladder and they bought into what the whole movement said, you know, you'll be happier if you got the corner office and all this, and then you kind of find out, well, that's not so fulfilling. And trying to do that in balance home life, but it's all been by design, you know, and, and I know this is horribly sexist in the worldview today, but my mom who passed away just a years ago at 91, my grandmother lived in 94. She goes, all I knew of my mother growing up and she was educated. I mean, she, she actually, she started college, got married and, um, in college in a time that women didn't go to college very often. Um, she went to Longwood, she went to a teacher school in Virginia, um, near in Farmville, Virginia. And my mother said, my grandfather, he was a world war one veteran. Okay. So it's born in 1895. My grandfather was born in 1895. It was an absolute insult to the family and the entire structure to have a wife that had to work, that had to work.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Mm-hmm.

Moore To Consider: So these were men that grew up in a time like, no, no, no. My responsibility is as father of the children and husband, it is my responsibility to put food in people's mouths and to have a household for her to upkeep. That's it. You say that today and it's like, what a horrible way to see the world. Like, nah, that's kind of how men saw the world then. It was their duty and responsibility to be fathers and providers. And now think about that too. Everybody's talking about young people today. They can't date the way they did or associate the way they did. Everything's by electronics. But also what are young men going to think today? You know, if everything here like, well, you're a borderline rapist, you know, we're pretty sure there's rape culture everywhere and you're being identified as a pig. And at the same time, she wants her own career and all the rest. It's a recipe for, you know, in kids today too, if they're getting married. My parents were 25 and 23, which is kind of standard. They were right into having a home. What kid today could even possibly imagine a young couple that thinks they can afford a home? know you, I mean, everybody knows this today, but think of what that's doing to them, what the drain it is to be young today. It's harder to be young today than I think. And I'm talking about the kind of 15 to 25 crowd. If you're in that finishing high school into the college graduation year, it's never been harder. job market being what it is, the expectations being what they are. You know, it's there. So there's been a lot of destruction from within. I'll this real quick too. It can, but.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: but it can be reversed. It can be reversed. It really, it can. And think, I heard that are people who are now starting to get ⁓ non-smartphones, right? I think is some sort of mental awakening amongst those who think or who for some reason have come to realize they need to actually think.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Because how are they actually feeling? They're feeling unhappy. Young people. They're feeling unhappy. They don't have relationships. They might be watching some of the movies that give them a different idea of how it could be. I was at an event where there were young people, I think they were probably about 15 to 24. And this guy who used to have parties just for people who were like 40 and above, started inviting young people for these dances that you would have. It's all clean, no alcohol, nothing, right?

Moore To Consider: Right, right. Right, right.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: And I am, I'm watching overhead as these young people, age 15 to 24 are doing dances. I mean, like real dances, not just like move a little, you know, they're doing dances, they're throwing each other around there, you know, they got moves and you know, they're twirling and all this kind of stuff. And I thought, okay, there's our future. Those, those children are now actually really interacting with each other. They're not on the phone, they're having fun. with other people, you know, they're dancing and all the kind of things that we used to grow up with, which are more interactive and not phone based, not internet based. I totally feel like we can get back, but it might have to get to that point. You sometimes it gets to a point where it becomes a crisis or suddenly eyes opened in the same way they were during COVID and people start making different choices for their family, for their schools, for all sorts of things.

Moore To Consider: Yeah.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: and the pendulum starts to move the other way. I do think it's possible, but I do think it would be, really needs to have parents who are there for their children. And a of parents who work have only so much time and energy for their children, right?

Moore To Consider: Yeah, I think that thing too, I believe it's, think it came from a book. I remember the first time I was aware of it, I'm watching a podcast and the guy's talking about it. I believe it was an idea that was also written the story about the 80 year cycles, the spring, summer, winter, fall of civilization generations. So he goes back, you have the American revolution. What do you have 80 years later? You have the American civil war. What do you have 80 years later? World war two and was 80 years later right now. it's part of the argument that hard times make hard men, hard women too, but it makes hard men and they go fight in world war two. And then they don't want their kids to be in it. You know, and then you have some people from that time period that kind of, you know, not so much guy, well, the same people were pretty much in the leadership that Korea, but then you have a Vietnam and then you have. all the spinning in between and everybody's trying to make the lives of their kids softer and better. And then eventually hard times come in when hard times it creates hard men. I will say this as a college baseball coach, I'm 64 this month. I'm out there with these kids and I've been out with kids coaching for 40 years. They're changing. I listened to their conversations. They asked me stuff all the time. Coach, what about this? They're getting. I mean, I guess you could say air quotes like they're being more conservative, but they're pissed off about a lot of stuff and they're not, and they're, they're just not yelling on the uncle. There's like not, it's going to be different. So I, and I'm not saying they're reactionary over the top. What I'm saying is I think they've seen through the bullshit and they're kind of like, they're past it. And, and so I'm seeing a different kid now than I saw 10 years ago, but yes, yes, they are.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep. And they're going back to church. They're going back to church, which is going to give them a completely different worldview than they've, lots of them have probably been immersed in. And a different purpose.

Moore To Consider: Well, and the churches though too. Yeah, but I mean, you know, how far the churches have gone in the wrong direction as well. Yeah.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Well, there's that too. That is so true. That is true. They have to find a good church, not just any old church.

Moore To Consider: No, no. And so, but there's, there's kind of social, you know, directions that things go. And, again, I do think, I everything is cyclical too, though you, you do see, I remember ⁓ the book Tom Brokaw wrote, that the, greatest generation, he talked about a guy that came into the post office one day and he's bitching about these kids making noise in the neighborhood. And one of the women behind the counter at the post office said, Oh, come on, Gordon, what were you doing? You're 16. He was like, I was landed at Okinawa or something like, know, he was 16 lied about his age went into Marine Corps. And I had a similar one like that. I knew a guy used to work on an army base.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Wow. Wow. Whoops.

Moore To Consider: And he said he came out of five years in the Marine Corps where he lied about his age and went in the Marine Corps to fight in Korea. And he comes home and a friend said, did you ever apply for selective service? He goes, what's that? He goes, you were supposed to go in and do the paperwork for the draft. And he goes, well, I went in the Marine Corps when I was 16. And he goes, you might be in some trouble. So he goes to a post office. Now he's 21, five years served in Korea. Same story. except he goes up and he goes, I think I need to look in that picture. She goes, young man, how old are you? 21. Where have you been? And he starts ticking off the same place as he'd been. She goes, what are you saying? goes, ma'am, I was in the Marine Corps for the last five years. Okay, honey. I think you're okay. Just fill this out and leave it here. So I'm saying though, I served on an army base with guys like that. Guys that were teenagers in combat. And they didn't give me the shirt off their back. They were tough though.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Mm.

Moore To Consider: That was a different, was both Korean war and world war II veterans. And I was around all of those kinds of guys in Vietnam veterans. when you're around those kinds of people that saw some really, really bad stuff, but kept it together and they cared for you, they were special. And you hate to think that generations of young people have to go through those type of life-changing events to get that man. And it's not all good because they went through some really ugly things, but. I think generations step up when they're called upon and I think it changes them. And I, that's why I think the world war two generation was pretty special. Cause they got, but they were also heroes. They were heroes depicted in the movies as heroes and pop culture. Korean war was kind of a draw in Vietnam. Kind of get looked at as a, as a loss. And I felt for those Vietnam better. Cause they were some of the best human beings I've ever been around and God they're all 80 now. Right? I mean, it's like. The people that fought in that war are ancient now. So it's, as time moves on, we see, and I don't know with what we have going on in the country right now, what happens next? What happens to another generation of young people?

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Well, I don't know, but you know, the last time we talked about real ID and we still have to have the young people who realize that this could completely destroy their liberty, you know, the hands of now the Trump administration has been pushing it, is a bad deal, right? Because it's to be ⁓ digitized, put their phone, remote access by the government. It's biometric. So they're building a national facial recognition system.

Moore To Consider: Yes.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: It can expand by law far beyond flight. They could just, it's just the secretary of Homeland Security who can decide what else is required for us. We'll be healthcare, buying a gun, you could think of, going to college, getting a job, whatever, right? ⁓ people going to be really important if they want a future that is not China. They have to start to see, they have to start to look at these things. They have to start to question things.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, yeah.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: that they've just assumed are true. And there's a lot of people when it comes to real ID, they just think it's a driver's license with a star. And they're so wrong. Right?

Moore To Consider: Yeah, I did. I did it. Yeah. I mean, I saw it and there's like, if you want to get through the airport, whatever, you know, I was kind of then I had to show with you and I'm like, oh hell, I screwed that up, you know, and I should have been on, I should have been thinking, but I didn't know all the legislative history and how it all got, you know, run through in the middle of the night in the dark and all the other kind of stuff. So, all right.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: But people are switching. People are switching back in the states that they can switch back. So people say, well, know, the horses are the barn. ⁓ no, it's not. But they'd like you to think it is. So, you know, if you want to make sure the country doesn't become China, this is a really simple thing to do. In the states, which is the majority, you can just switch back. young people should be doing this. And young people are. Everybody be doing this. But young people are going to have to fight for their freedom in this country. And it's one of the things that they can do.

Moore To Consider: Yeah. Right. Yeah.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Ultimately, they don't want to be communist. They might say they do. They don't know what communism was. They don't know how many people died. They don't know how if they wanted to be free, they couldn't. They don't know any of that, right? They're going to have to fight for their freedom.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, but one thing I think that's sort of true that until it's illustrated, and I actually heard Rush Limbaugh say exactly what I'm getting ready to tell you. And I had said it in a class. And when I heard him say it, I'm like, man, he stole my material. But what happened? I was in a school as a substitute when I was in graduate school and it was a really rough place. Just put it that way. And these kids are saying it about all the things that should be benefits given by the government. And advantages that should be given to the disadvantage. I said, all right, let me ask you something. You over here, Jimmy, you really study your rear end off. get a hundred on the test and Billy over here, he does a lot of things, you know, outside of the classroom. They're probably on the best for, uh, making grades comes in and gets a 50. He should get a 75, right? You owe him 25 points to both make you a 75. Well, hell no. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He had disadvantages. Why shouldn't he get 25 points? Hell hell no. If I got a hundred, wait a minute. Aren't you greedy? Aren't you so why should you get the hundred just because you did a better job on the test and worked harder to study. then they're all the eyes you can see. I'm like, okay. Okay. I see your point. I'm like, okay. When I put it personally and give it to you in something that's tangible now, when you're 16 years old grades, you're not so much wanting to give him the 25 points. Are you? And how much does that benefit him? If he goes to 50 and gets a 75 and gets a passing grade when he didn't do the work, how much

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: You

Moore To Consider: All of that, their heads are exploding. They're like, okay, okay. And they're listening though. They're like, all right, that was 30 years ago. I see your point. When you put it to them that way, all of sudden it was like, but you know, they've been conditioned to believe government's answer to everything like that. Now the first time they get out and get a paycheck, they might start seeing things different. So that's part of that growing. You know, it's still was at the Churchill line. Everybody should be a liberal when they're 18. And if they're, by the time they're 40, if they're not conservative,

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: All right. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: They have no heart versus have no mind. It's a kind of a cliche. It's a bumper sticker slogan, but there's a lot of truth to it. When you're a kid, you think the world should be taken care of by someone else. Then when you have to pay for it, you see it different. Okay, so any other topics you wanted to cover here in closing?

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Well, I'm going to mention one that maybe you and I should cover sometime. I heard you say that you were 64, which means you're moving toward Medicare without any choice on your part. And people don't think about that. And to let your audience know what Medicare really is sometime, I would really enjoy doing that. The other thing that I would say is that it was just announced that there's this new genomic screening.

Moore To Consider: Yeah.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: of newborns that is being pushed by the federal government. I think the budget out is like 4.4 million, I think. And states in Puerto Rico have been chosen. And so they're going to try to figure out whether or not the governments can do genomic sequencing. That means getting the full genetic profile children at birth. and they're going to do a three-year feasibility study of putting that in at the state level. they say, you know, getting consent, but what does consent look like? What will parents even understand? And will the genetic privacy of the child be taken away at birth and the government have a full genomic record of their DNA? So this program is beginning, I think enrollment starts in August. All people have to do if they want to look it up is newborn screening and genomic sequencing and they will find it. It's got a, well, it's called Beacon NBS. NBS stands for newborn screening. So Beacon NBS and they can see if their state is one in the pilot project.

Moore To Consider: So again, we have all this world history, we've seen people promote and support the monkeying around with human genetics and all the rest that we frown upon in the last hundred years. And yet... We do it, right? I say we do it, but just keeps happening. That's what, when you tell me young people.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: There's a lot of industry support, a lot of industry support for this project because of course there's things that the industry will be able to do or be part of, you know, for the full sequencing of children, but no government should be sequencing its children. No, no government.

Moore To Consider: And you wonder what the long-term of the most evil that might be with government. I mean, that's a government aspirations, but those who work in that, that space, their government types, some of them I think are just bureaucrats and they just like control of things and the rest. But you always wonder like the long-term, like I heard somebody the other day make a really good point, which I've always thought about. is they were talking about how much automation there is in that as you keep pushing up wages, like in California, artificially inflating the wages of, you know, the Burger King and McDonald's employee. They're like, fine, hell, we'll just put robots in there. Basically they're making, but they're making a point that has to buy the hamburgers. If you push everybody out of work, who's going to be shopping there eventually if every across every dimension, everybody loses their job to automation.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Right, is that correct?

Moore To Consider: Then somebody still got to buy the hamburger. So you wonder, and I guess that same argument was made. Well, what's going to happen if we keep putting these cars on the road? What about the horse and buggy guy? You know, what's he going to do? So maybe he worked in, he, know, Henry Ford gave him a job and he learned how to turn a wrench and something did something different. But this is different because a change in industry could lead to new job opportunities and new training. If you're throwing it all off on something that doesn't actually exist as human. And enough of that becomes the dynamic. Then we are got to figure out like, so what would be the overall plan? Most of the time you think of people who become insanely rich. If you look at the history, what have they done? They've discovered something, built something, somehow they were in an industry that had massive amounts of chance for expansion, et cetera. And it's always involved in serving people. To some degree, it's there's some level of service to humanity that creates that kind of wealth. What if you just, are they looking, and I wonder, are they looking to eliminate a certain aspect of the population, have a tiny serving class for the rich, you know, to try to like kind of weed everything out, get enough people out. Because if there's massive numbers of people who need to eat and need shelter and the rest. and they've all been run out of any kind of way to survive, what does that look like?

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Are you talking about DNA sequencing or are you talking about robots?

Moore To Consider: What I'm talking about the whole thing from the top, like if I tried to look into the minds of the people that say they want to lead us, evil are their intentions? Are they looking at, you know, weeding out a certain number? what I'm, mean, it's a but

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: There certainly are those who have talked about, you know, too much population and overpopulation. There are certainly those, but I do think there are some who just feel like this is a service to humanity. we, when you talk about DNA sequencing, well, we can just figure out what their erroneous genes are. Now we'll go in and gene edit, right? Or we will snip the genes or we'll do gene therapy or whatever, right?

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: and they just see that this is going to be good. then indeed some children have definitely from that. But here's state doing it, right? And the state collecting the data and the state has the power of, only state has police power. ⁓ Nobody else, no has police power. And the state could eventually decide that these two people cannot marry because if they marry,

Moore To Consider: Right, right, right, right, right.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Especially if they're not going to agree to gene therapy. If they marry, they might have an expensive child and we, the state, do not want to pay for that expensive child. So you can marry if you agree to gene therapy. Now the gene therapy may kill your child. We don't know because ⁓ has happened with gene therapy, right? But the power, that's the police power of the state that no corporation would have, but that the state does. And so this kind of thing should not be happening at the state government level.

Moore To Consider: Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. And I shouldn't even bring it up without being able to pull it off the top of my head, but there's a famous case in Virginia where was sterilized by the state because the family had a history of IQ birth. mean, that's basically what it was. And then the decision to judge was like, society no longer has to put up with this term for idiots, you know, that was decision. And that was a scary decision for a lot of people because the state stepped in and forced the sterilization based upon what they thought was in the best interest of the Commonwealth, you know, my state, Virginia. So I don't, I could see what you're saying. I mean, I could see them say like, not, not you and you, you can't have the child unless we're involved in the outcome. And then it would be like, I'm sorry, where is that the constitution or, know, but you're right. The state has the police power. And that's scary because it sounds a lot of like what was heard as criticisms within the last century of how certain regimes were set up or certain the ideology of said regime. What the hell are we becoming? know, how much we begin to reflect that which has already been seen as dark and sinister, it's kind of scary.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Mm. I mean, there's always good things that can be done and can be argued for, right? But then there's always just the rights of the people. And then where does this come out of? Where is it housed? When it's housed in the government, it's a problem. When it's not housed in the government, people can come and go, make different choices. But once the government pays for it, all sorts of other agendas can come into

Moore To Consider: ⁓ sure. Yeah. And it's, it's again, like you said, jurisdictional thing though, if whenever the state gets involved in making decisions based upon the best interest of sort of, you know, the entire population or the, best interest of society, that when they started making that kind of God-like decision of who survives and who doesn't, you know, that's scary to me. And I don't know that it's scary to everybody because it It might be a certain number of people like, wow, they're just acting the best interest. It's a drain on society, which is exactly what everything you talked about in the first half hour about the healthcare. Eventually, if you get into this managed care and there's a profit motive and everything else involved, somebody eventually in the front office is going to go like that surgery does not serve us and the guys get three weeks to live or whatever. It's going to become in a managed care system. Eventually there's going to be the exercise of what's best for the system. And certainly not what's best for the individual. And I don't know, it just seems like the common theme of Mike is there's a certain amount of frustration that people can't see it. And I'm in the dark. mean, I'm hearing what you're saying. And it's kind of like, I see it from the lens of, it doesn't surprise me. You know, when I hear things that are really, really bad as it relates to any type of management of care that involves government entities and bureaucracies.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: and

Moore To Consider: It's all bets are off. I can imagine how bad it's going to go. All right.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: I think what COVID showed us is ⁓ several things, but it showed us how you could make people so afraid using healthcare, This was all using healthcare, that they would simply bow. They would comply, they would submit, they would try to get you to submit, they would come you because you weren't submitting, right? Because the fear was so intense because it was their life at stake. So using healthcare, you can get them...

Moore To Consider: Yeah. Yeah.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: you know, to submit. But the other thing that we saw is under healthcare when you've got them to that point, you could see the power of the government come down upon the American people. And this is what can happen in healthcare when the government has that much control. And so the last thing that we need is socialized medicine or medicine or anything in that vein, which gives the government power over our lives through the healthcare system, including controlling our doctors. And that's why everybody should want to get back to a healthcare system that is on mission, affordable, confidential, patient-centered, everything that we want and need it to be without all the third parties, including the controlling government the mix. And it's dangerous. It is actually dangerous to have the government in it. And we saw that in COVID.

Moore To Consider: Yeah. Another thing I keep mentioning, you know, these stories of I can't unsee it. I just struck me when you were talking about all these, these reactions to COVID both within the medical community and other same college where I'm teaching, we're in a meeting. Everything's zoomed in. We're in a zoom meeting in a guy who wore a mask in a spot for the college where they were doing a recruitment type of video. He wore a mask in that. And it was kind of at the tail end of the mask thing and he's all mask up, but he comes on and I ran this by my colleague that just got tired of hearing me bitch about everything, but we're on this and he goes, Hey everybody, I'm not sure if you're aware, but there's a program that there's an app out now, right? There's an app, tell on your neighbor. If you see him out and he doesn't have, and I'm like, are you kidding me? And I said, well, I was like, no, no, no.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Yes. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: Did you hear the glee in his voice? He can't wait to go out and turn somebody in. What the hell does that sound like? Right? What type of stories have we heard? What type of regimes have we seen around the world? What type of tyranny have we seen? This son of a bitch. He was like, Hey, hey, hey, and if you don't know about it, there's an app now and you can turn in your neighbor. like, what? What? You know, I was listening to a lawyer the other day that, ended up taking on a particular part of California where he, no, was it, no, he was Florida. He was Florida. And he said the thing that scared him the most is he heard that they were getting into getting, getting ready to get into individual communities and counties. He goes to a board of supervisors meeting, which I'd never seen before. And he goes, when I get in, I'm like, wow, these are some really stupid people. Like I was like, this must be some probably pretty bright people and they're really dumb people. And he made this point, he ends up being pretty famous for taking on the system and they're arguing about mask and whether or not to mandate them. And he goes, it took the county lawyer 20 minutes to talk them out of forcing people to wear the mask inside their own home. ⁓ he goes, I'm sitting there and I'm watching this and they're trying to massage any corner around any corner they can.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: I'm sorry. Really?

Moore To Consider: And, and, and, and the county attorney's like, okay, there is a fourth amendment. Okay. So we, we, we don't have probable cause. can't be kicking down doors. like, can't we do it though? Can't we? And I thought, who are these people? They want to mandate mask use or, or require a mask in someone's home. And he goes, and that's when I knew what I was dealing with. And, and, it's a religion too. And, oh, and the guy from the Parkland shooting that ended up being the, the Democrat mouthpiece at some level. He famously came out and said, when they lifted the mask mandates, what upset him the most is, if I don't wear the mask now, I don't want them, I don't want people on the street to mistake me for the other side.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Mm-hmm, yeah, yeah.

Moore To Consider: And the lawyer that I mentioned that was at this meeting, he said, it took me 15 minutes do some research, like 15 minutes. I went into massive of studies done on masks and how they were absolutely useless for that purpose. Contagions that not going to, not going to work at all. It took me 15 minutes to find that. And these people are trying to on the Hill of forcing people to wear them in their homes. So it becomes a religion. And that's why so so many people were so difficult to talk to about it.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Well, I know I need to go, but I have to say one thing. If you're on a plane during COVID and you were masked, right? And then the food would come around and then you could take off your mask and eat. And for a while you could take off your mask the whole time you were eating. Towards the end, they were like, you can take off your mask and take a bite, right? But the no matter if people are going to die, ⁓

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: in a silver tube because you take off your mask. You don't ever get to take off your mask, There's no eating, ⁓ no drinking, there's no nothing. The fact that they would let you spend 20 or 30 minutes without a mask in a plane just showed you that people weren't going to die. Because if they were going to ⁓ I'm sorry, you would have been like kicked off and headed to jail or something if you ever took off your mask, they'd never. They never bring out food or drink or anything. They keep you in your mask the whole time.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, that's part of what really scared me too. and you know, your rank and file person probably working for the airline or at the airport. There's certain percentage of them probably thought it was BS as well, but they got to go along with whatever. And so, you know, you never really knew. but you, you could definitely run into your people that would scream at you on the street and all those kinds of things. Like even on the street, they're yelling at you, put a mask on. So, but I think it was a religious thing. So. Okay. We have gone about an hour and a half here and I always enjoy having you on. keep fighting the good fight. What would you like to say in closing?

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: I guess I'd just like to say, you know, thanks so much for tackling the health care issue. ⁓ I think there's so much possibility for freedom and a lot of people don't see it and the opportunity to actually share with people how they can be free and how we can bring back, you know, affordability and patient centeredness and everything that they want health care to be with their doctor. You know, it's an opportunity to open minds and I'm just glad for the opportunity to do

Moore To Consider: Some of these advertisements I say for these groups that are like doing group thing, like where I guess everybody's paying in and if somebody has a catastrophic, they all pool the resources. Okay, so that is a good, yeah.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Yep. Crowd health, crowd health or healthcare sharing organizations. Yep.

Moore To Consider: So those work too. So people, you know, are going to watch this and go, Hey, it's great conversation. I hope, you know, they're going to think to some degree it's a great crime conversation. So like subscribe, comment, people that are listening more to consider. But I'll ask them, they've heard you. You're compelling. The second time I've had you, I like which I've watched other videos. You're compelling. So what do they do right now? Everything that you've said about how to make it a better world for themselves with healthcare. Do they go to your website and kind of snoop around? Is that the best place to start to get better instruction?

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Yeah, they can go to cchfreedom.org and they can find our materials there. they should start thinking, how can I make myself free and how can I find a doctor who works for me? We have The Wedge at ⁓ which has doctors that work only for cash and no government, no insurance. They find coverage through the healthcare sharing organizations or through CrowdHealth. They can talk to their employer about how they can have more control over all the dollars that are going and just say, maybe their employer is all up for that. Maybe their employer would give everybody money and say, find healthcare sharing. It's such a better deal for you, right? And of course they can check out places like the surgery center and a few of the other cash-based surgery centers around the country to see exactly how inexpensive healthcare can be. and how they might not even want to fess up to the fact that they have an insurance card and just go in with cash and it might cost them far less at the end.

Moore To Consider: You know, and something you just kind of pointed out there, I would imagine there are people who are entrepreneurs that have small businesses and things. They'd probably be all for it. Maybe they're not really even aware of it so much. So they're still playing the game of getting on one of these insurance plans. And if you were to nudge them a little bit, you know, so like you say, this employee that, that tells employer. That might, I wasn't even aware of that. Maybe in the long run, that's another good sign of that. Well, I want to. Definitely have you on again soon, especially since again, I'm approaching this very soon. 64. Um, I've had mixed feelings about what happens when I turned 65. Did they come after me on, on their own or do I have to go check a box? Should I check that box? Should I avoid that box? So I'm going to want your. Yeah. So next time let's do a whole show on the whole Medicare. Okay. Twila Brase once again, um, people can reach you, uh, one last time on, your website.

Twila Brase RN CCHFreedom.org: Next time. Next time. Yeah. Yeah. at cchfreedom.org.

Moore To Consider: Thank you so very much. And again, folks, this has been more to consider. Please like, subscribe, comment, whatever comments you give, I won't look at because I'm afraid it might be nasty. So I'll just leave that alone. All right. God bless you all. Thank you.