Tucker Carlson vs. The GOP, Trump's Broken Promises & The Death of the Two-Party System

Jack Moore: More to consider, Jack and Charles, how are you, sir?

Charles: I'm doing just fantastic today. How about you? Hmm?

Jack Moore: All right, so you re I'm good, man. So you reached out to me about TC. Tucker Carlson has announced that he will no longer support the Republican Party, stating on his podcast that he feels the party is not loyal to the United States of America and prioritizes foreign interests over American citizens. He also mentioned that he does not plan to support the Democrat Party either. Tucker Carlson has publicly declared that he will no longer support the Republican Party. He made this announcement. He has loyalty concerns. He feels it's a moral stance. He described the party's actions as immoral and stated that he can no longer defend it. Political future. Carlson has made it clear he does not intend to support the Democrat Party. Context of his criticism this is what's being stated. Disagreements with Trump. Carlson's break comes amid growing tensions with former with President Donald Trump regarding ⁓ U.S. involvement in the conflict in Iran. He has accused Trump and the GOP leaders of being influenced by foreign interests, particularly or exclusively Israel. Influence on voters. Carlson suggested that his departure from the party might resonate with other Republican voters who feel that they also, in a similar fashion, are disillusioned.

Charles: Yes, those people. Yes.

Jack Moore: Okay, brother. Give me your take.

Charles: ⁓ I kind of spoke on this a few weeks ago that it's this is a case of the lesser two evil still being evil and I really don't want to support evil. So just because the Democrats are really bad, I'm still not going to support Republicans that are bad. Neither one of them deserve my support.

Jack Moore: Mm-hmm.

Charles: And I'm not going to be feared into voting against somebody. You have to give me a reason to vote for you. The Republicans have not really given me, they haven't not really given Americans a reason to vote for them. I could start with the Save Act. Why is it that the Republicans who control all three branches, well, I shouldn't say control, they yes, they control two other three branches of government.

Jack Moore: They control the legislature and the executive branch. You might say the judicial as well. They kinda had the judicial as well. It's not a voting member, but you know, if thing gets to the Supreme Court, yeah, they had that too.

Charles: And they still won't pass it. Look Yeah, d didn't it Right. Yeah, I didn't really want to throw them into it, but fine. We can say all three branches. Yeah.

Jack Moore: But right, you you'd say that if anything got pushed down the trail to the Supreme Court, it's not like they're gonna get, you know, probably a an unfavorable opinion there as well. So if there's a time that the that the time to do stuff would probably be right now, in this first term or the first half of this term, second term.

Charles: Right. So Right. So they're not they're not pushing or passing the Save Act when they could. They're not pushing for how was c or I I hear some of them talking about giving amnesty to illegals. Okay, that's just absolutely bananas. Yeah, Republicans. That's absolutely bananas. And, you know, the whole New Wars thing, the absolute ballooning of the federal budget, I could go on and on and on. And

Jack Moore: You're hearing Republicans. Yeah. Yeah. You would think, yeah.

Charles: Just the fact that it's pretty clear to some people that we're being heavily influenced by a foreign nation. None of that really seems to be America first. It just doesn't.

Jack Moore: Yeah. Well, you and I talked before we said we were gonna do this show. And to me And this and and and I'm I'm hearing all these shows that we've done recently. I'm hearing what you're saying about I don't vote against, I vote for. Okay, I get ya. But still what I said in the last show on that, and I still think is everything that Tucker Carlson's saying, I understood there was some chiming in from Marjorie Taylor Green along the same line. When people often or Many people that were out in the open about I'm voting Trump twenty twenty-four. It was in part, I think, we don't know where it would get with Kamala Harris, but after four years of Biden and her in that number two position, there was some kind of some craziness that we don't really necessarily want to see her hand off to her. I think the Democrats looked bad in not having a primary, not going through some stages, certainly not telling Biden long before What was it May? When the hell was the d debate? You know, so so they fumbled the ball. There was a valid criticism some made, like, ⁓ you're the party of democracy. Well, you didn't even let your party decide who was gonna run. They just threw it all to Kamala. It was a lot of you know, a lot of bad looks. But as things began to line up in Trump's favor, the Tulsi Gabbards, the Bobby Kennedy Jr., you know, Dave Smith even, ⁓ Joe Rogan giving an endorsement, Kamala not deciding to make it to the Rogan show, then kind of lying about the details on that, apparently. And you have all these people aligning with Trump, including Tucker Carlson. And again, I don't think you can discount the Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk got a lot of younger people to start looking in the direction of Trump. But if we were to go back and look at sort of a platform, Of running for that office in fall of twenty twenty or throughout the spring, I mean throughout the summer into the fall. What was Trump's message?

Charles: America first.

Jack Moore: Yeah, but okay, in more detail, what was the message?

Charles: ⁓ w I'm not exactly sure what you what you mean by the question.

Jack Moore: I thought a lot of it was we have a crazy amount of entry into the country illegally. I'm gonna clean up the border. I'm gonna shut down the border. Promise you, I'm gonna shut down the border. And we're not doing any more crazy wars, which was really sort of a first term promise as well. I'm gonna be the president of no craziness. We're not gonna go out all over the world and do all kinds of crazy things fighting wars.

Charles: Yes, it was.

Jack Moore: I'm going to stabilize the economy. I'm going to cut inflation. And hey, when you go to the grocery store, you go to the butcher, you go wherever, your gas prices at the gas station get better, the convenience store is going to get better. When you go down the butcher, the baker, the candlestick, everywhere you go, the prices are going to be better. This is what it's going to be, right?

Charles: Yes. That's what he said.

Jack Moore: So you and I talked about this before. I don't think necessarily, and I know this is gonna start a food fight, so here we go, but I don't think when I see Tucker Carlson saying what he's saying, it's as much he's breaking from the Republican Party. I think he's breaking from Donald Trump.

Charles: Mm-hmm. Mm. Well, how about this? That's not what he says. And we pretty much just heard what he said. I mean, this isn't it wasn't through a filter of of pundits. You

Jack Moore: Yep. I don't care. Okay, okay. He said he's All right, let me ask you okay well okay, let me ask you this then. Who was that person most responsible for listening to sad country that he feels like the party is operating in favor of over the interest of the American people? Who was most responsible for it going that route?

Charles: ⁓ well again that's not what he said 'cause I've listened to Tucker talk about this a whole lot.

Jack Moore: Okay, all right, so tell me what I'm missing. Tell me what tell me what tell what I'm missing. Tell me how he said it that I'm not getting go.

Charles: What what he's saying is the direction of the entire party. And it's not just you and you can't just say Trump, because remember, there are Republicans in the House and the Senate that are doing this crazy junk too. So it's not just Trump. And and Tucker has been saying this all along, that it's not just Trump, it's what the rest of the party is doing that he's not for.

Jack Moore: Mm-hmm. Okay. All right. And again, this is a shorthand statement that was made. It says increasing criticism of both the party and Donald Trump, particularly that regarding issues like the Iran War and Israel's involvement. All right. So what I'm saying is if Trump, whether he was well, according to other shows you've done, you've sort of given this line. I think you would stand by it, that a lot of people were in the room, like, hey.

Charles: Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: You know, DT, don't don't, don't do this. Whatever you do, don't don't go into that. No, I'm bigger than this. ⁓ Netanyahu said, I'm gonna be fabulous with this, or something of that nature, right? Was he got goosed by certain people against the advice and wishes of his own confidants with within the apparatus close to him, fair? Okay. Then if you were going to put and you can assign whatever percentage.

Charles: Yes.

Jack Moore: of responsibility you'd want to put, how much, whatever the actions were taken in spring of this year relative to Iran, who would you put most of the blame on? Right. Now, when you go on to say there's members of the party and the Senate and House that also seem to support what Trump is doing. I still think Trump was the Pied Piper in this, had he not taken some of the unilat unilateral actions against the advice and wishes of his own inner circle, then I don't think that Tucker Carlson would necessarily be having the same issue right now.

Charles: No, I I I gotta disagree with 'cause he's talked about this. And I I I use a SAVE Act as a as a and as an example. Trump has been saying to pass a SAVE Act. Congress won't do it. The Republicans won't do it. So this is a case where Tucker actually does agree with Trump, but he doesn't agree with Congress. So he's saying it's not just one or the other, it's both.

Jack Moore: Okay. Okay. Okay. ⁓ okay. I I get that. I get that. But let me ask you this. On all the stuff I said about all right, let me okay, let's let's go back through. I was saying kind of a shorthand version of what we say was maybe the agenda. Has Trump, to your knowledge, publicly reported, even the alphabet agencies or networks, do you think he's done a good job on gaining a grasp or control of the southern border?

Charles: Yes, yes. Yes, yeah. Yeah.

Jack Moore: Seems like it, right? Okay. All right. So ding. Okay, that's one. Now, a lot of ugly news. You know, the Renee Good shooting, you know, a lot of different things were going down. The press is dirt certainly spinning it as they're going house to house and just ripping people out of their beds. You know, how much of that, you know, okay. So it's volatile, but if you were going to give them a grade on, yeah, the guy said he was going to shut down the nefarious just walking across the border. Fair to say he probably did a pretty good job.

Charles: Right. Yes, for sure.

Jack Moore: Okay. Do you not also agree, had we not had this kind of crazy excursion into lobbing things into Iran, that maybe the gas prices aren't five and a half dollars and all the other things that flow from that, the inflation, the fuel cost, the scarcity, the d all the different things that may have spun from that as to Joe Q citizen having so much more of a burden financially spins from taking that chance.

Charles: Taking its chance of lobbing bombs.

Jack Moore: Taking a chance on lobbing bombs in Iran and seeing how it goes.

Charles: Yeah, it it's a it it is definitely a by product of it, yeah.

Jack Moore: All right, then then all I'm saying when I keep saying I I I think that it's really about Trump, even though I get all those peripheral issues you're talking about, that the the ⁓ the members of the House and Senate not doing such a great job. I think if he doesn't play this game, potentially for Israel or with them gnawing on him, you know, to s to do this, if he doesn't do that and the economy's better and we're not going through this protracted however many months it's been in this ugliness and the appearance that he's being led around by his nose by a foreign country, then I think the failure to pass the Save Act and all the rest would be irritating, but I don't think he'd be jumping out of the party.

Charles: Well, I don't think it's just that. It's less I said that before. The save action's one. Doge is another thing. Because th think about the things that Trump not just Trump the people the Republicans ran on in twenty twenty four. They were essentially the same thing, pretty much the same thing, except for the Israel first people.

Jack Moore: Now, when you say the same thing, you mean the people running in the House and Senate and and him, they're all on the same yeah, got it. Okay. Yes.

Charles: Yeah. F except for the Iran thing. That Trump was saying, well, not exactly but the thing

Jack Moore: Well, that wasn't really a thing yet, was it? He he ⁓ well he he expressed what he would do relative to them, but it ended up not doing what he said he would do. Yeah. Yeah.

Charles: What that's that's why I said that's that's why I was saying that he actually did the opposite what he campaigned on. So you you if you take all the things that he campaigned on and you say, Okay, which one of these did you actually accomplish versus which one of these did you do a one eighty on? Cause those are two different things. I we all get that we can campaign on whatever. That doesn't mean we're gonna get it. But what you don't do is do 180 on it. Because if you had said that you weren't gonna do this or you had no interest in doing any of this stuff, we probably would not have supported you. So that's the difference here. And that's what Tucker's saying. That, yeah, I give you credit for the things that you did, but I don't gr give you credit or the Republicans for the things that you Turn your back on. That's the difference.

Jack Moore: Yeah, I guess what I'm saying, brother, I I'm I'm in agreement with you. There's there's a ledger. But see, okay, I think that the people like I don't know, maybe cotton has certainly come out to be something and I I guess ⁓ you know, the Lindsey Grahams. Lindsey Graham's are Lindsey Graham's, right? And you can feed what Lindsey Graham can become in certain circumstances.

Charles: Yes.

Jack Moore: Or he could be off on the sidelines, not really being noticed. We know what he is. We know what he likes. And he might make a comment, or you can feed it and you can fuel it by giving him something to play with and lob bombs and the rest. You know what I'm saying. So he can come into a more prominent media presence or recognition in times like we've been. Right? I mean, it is what it is.

Charles: Guys. Yes.

Jack Moore: He's both like Trump and not like Trump. He's been on his team. He's not been on his team, et cetera. I'm just still sticking to, I can envision a world minus Trump taking the actions he did. Tucker Carlson's not talking about leaving the party. All right, let me ask you this. Do you think Marjorie Taylor Green, who was a big supporter of Trump, clearly America first and all the rest, What do you think was the driving force on her leaving Congress and to some degree walking away from this as well?

Charles: ⁓ she was just ahead of Tucker because she said the same thing. When you look you listen to her, if you listen to her interview with Tucker, you'll notice that Tucker's pretty much just saying the same thing that she said months ago. So it's the same thing. Hmm?

Jack Moore: Right, but but but I'm asking mm-hmm, go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, I'm just right. All right. Well, I'm just making the comment that I think minus the ⁓ this is all I'm saying, minus the moves of Trump in the directions he's taken his administration, they wouldn't be defecting the party. They may be disappointed with the party, but I don't think they'd be bouncing from the party.

Charles: No, it's trust me, man. When you listen to them in long form, that's not the case. Yeah. Yeah. They're they're they're ticked off at the party. Trump just happens to be in the party. That's what it is.

Jack Moore: Okay. All right, I will. I'll I'll listen to it. I'll listen to it. But I think he this is this is what we've talked about before. I think he is the party right now. And I think when the when he goes, this is this is what we've done a show about two weeks ago, 10 days ago, whatever it was, this question of, and then some of the comments I've seen are kind of roundabout. Some of the comments we get sometimes, I don't know exactly what people are even listening to what we're saying, but ⁓ when I opened that show the other day.

Charles: Mm.

Jack Moore: With the story of 10 years ago, the kind the guy that seemed to be freaked out and pissed at me because I even mentioned that Trump was upsetting the Apple cart, I saw that moment of this guy's a Republican. And again, I saw an identification. You and I are are are a lot alike in that. And I'm not trying I'm not trying to be obstinate, Jimmy, just to be obstinate, whatever. I'm not an organization guy. I'm just I'm just not. I don't

Charles: Right. Yes.

Jack Moore: I I I kind of want to say freelance. I don't know what you would call it. It doesn't make me virtuous. And I'm not saying I'm special. I just don't like I wasn't a fraternity guy. I didn't want to join groups. I didn't want to feel strengthened numbers. I just wasn't one of those people. I just don't feel that. And I've been around people that get teared. I'm a republic. And I you know, and I loved Ronald Reagan, you know, and and and that's kind of what I got from that guy.

Charles: Right. All right.

Jack Moore: So what I would I say again to tell that story again, I felt like when I said, Hey, Ronald Reagan, and he was one of my favorites. I mean, because I thought it was good time for me in American history. And then when I said, Hey, how about that Donald Trump? He's kind of upset and this son of a bitch is not a part of the party. And I was like, whoa, shit. Like, then the guy didn't talk to me after that. So I'm saying it was like a religious thing. Like I had questioned his salvation. I had questioned his savior. And I was like, damn, okay, Trump brings about this kind of reaction. So

Charles: Yes. What

Jack Moore: I'm just saying I think he's created a world that let me look at the timeline. He wins, he loses in a in the in the midst of of COVID, he loses what's a very questionable race. He then gets shot, wins it back, and then turns against everything he had promised he was gonna do in the second term. Yes.

Charles: Dude, think think about what you just said. The guy he got upset when you question essentially, well, you said something about the party. He got upset because he couldn't defend it. Generally, if you question someone's philosophy, they're able to defend their philosophy. And this is what I've said for who knows how long. ⁓ hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. This is what I've said for who knows how long.

Jack Moore: Yes. Mm mm. Okay. That's an interest yeah. But Charles, I I want you to go that route. All right, all right.

Charles: The Republicans essentially call themselves conservatives and they have no philosophy. When it comes to people like you and I, when we we call ourselves libertarians, if somebody were to say, Well, libertarians are this, we would say, ⁓ nope. I can defend this logically, I can defend my philosophy logically by this, this, and this. But when you say that to a conservative or a Republican, they're just like party, 'cause they don't have a philosophy.

Jack Moore: Yeah. Yeah.

Charles: And that's why they get upset about it. They can't defend it. So they're you should just supposed to go along with it because the party says so. But if I question you on how you got from point A to point B and why you got that way, you don't you can't defend it, so you get upset. That's what's happening. Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: I'm hearing you. I I'm hearing you, but again, what goes on in my head, like this happens with you and I talking all the time. What's going on in my head and how someone's hearing it, my God, you know. ⁓ and and and ⁓ I'll tell you a funny story. I'll tell you I'll tell you a funny story because it's something about my p personality, whatever. People have made decisions on both of us, I'm sure, that watch our shows now and you know, but ⁓ years ago when I was teaching at a college, ⁓

Charles: Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: We had, we we were I taught at a college where they literally had a satellite school several miles away. And I had to be in one classroom and broadcast to the other. And I was told, hey, we're working on the A V equipment. So you got to be in class A. And on the other campus, there's a corresponding class. Bottom line is I get into that morning and the other class isn't showing up on the other side. So I know there's a snafu. So I down. And I'm talking to this kid that I would say is best put is mild mannered. You with me? Real real quiet kid. Looks a little skittish almost. So I go down there and knock on the door and I said, Hey, apparently something's wrong because I'm in this room, you know, and I'm losing class time. I'm there five minutes before class. I'm finding this out. So I'm trying to, I got 50 minutes with the class. So I'm trying to think like it's a credibility issue. I'm the professor and this isn't worth it. So the guy comes to the door, yeah, yes, sir. Can I help you?

Charles: Yes.

Jack Moore: I'm like, yeah, something's going on here because this class isn't hooked up to this class, whatever. So we start walking down the hall. And I said, man, you know, I don't even know what the hell's really going on because I got an email the other day saying we were going to be in this class, and I go to, you know, I come to this class and the other one's not set up. What do you think? You're that guy. You're that guy. I got an email the other day from another party, actually. I said that. How much assigning of blame do you hear?

Charles: Mm. A lot.

Jack Moore: to him

Charles: Yes.

Jack Moore: Boy, I I it's something about male, female, or something. Cause so anyway, what ends up happening is I'm like, I'm trying to save face with my class a little bit because I told them to be in this class and to be in this other class, and it's not my fault. And that's that's some of my personality is son of a bitch. I'm the one that's gonna have to explain this away because the class is like, damn, Mr. Moore can't even get it straight. Why? You know, I'm I'm that's me personally. I mean, I'll accept that. That's part of me. So, so I'm like.

Charles: Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah.

Jack Moore: Yeah, you know, I got an email from party not you, party not you to the guy I'm talking to that said that it was going to be in this classroom. So I'm not sure exactly what happened. So we get to the classroom, and then the kid is trying to plug this into that, and he's trying to get it straight. And as he's walking out, this kid was like, dude, you're scaring the shit out of that kid. And I'm like, I'm sorry, what? And he goes, The guy that just came in from IT that was helping you do this. Man, he was trembling. So I talked, well, so I talked to a colleague and I said, What the hell was it? Well, you don't understand, Jack. You can be, you can be quite. I'm like, I'm a pussy. I mean, like, I'm not, I'm not a tough guy at all. Like, so I was very matter of fact. I got an email saying what was going to be, not from you, not from guy down the hall. But when this kid in the class is telling me the guy is literally shaking beside me.

Charles: Why?

Jack Moore: Well, then with some further evidence, I kind of find out maybe he got yelled at a lot by his dad or whatever. So I say that to say, I am so totally unaware sometimes of how I present. Because according to this kid, with further discussion, he goes, dude, in his mind, you were screaming at him. You were screaming at him. Okay. So I say that to say, well, see, I see it that way, but I talked to four.

Charles: Yeah, but I ⁓ but that doesn't have anything to do with you though.

Jack Moore: Female professors and are like, Jack, you have a way of yelling at people with your eyes. Or I mean it's like, you know, yeah. Right. No, no, I know, but I'm saying I say that to say that in that moment, when you just brought up this guy couldn't defend his party, I'm just saying, I said this is kind of a throwaway bump you in the arm. Let's go get a beer. Like it was kind of like, hey, that Trump, man, he's really upset in the Apple cart. The guy took offense. It might have been, it might have been as you're saying.

Charles: ⁓ goodness gracious.

Jack Moore: Because he can't, as you say, defend the philosophy. I think he was just there's what he thinks is a ruffian and in and a no count ⁓ a lot of what was said about Trump, he's just a TV star or he's a shitty ⁓ you know, ⁓ real estate guy in New York. I think that's how he was absorbing it. But I also think looking back, as I have the kid who's crying, ⁓ my God, you're scaring me when I don't think I'm talking to him.

Charles: ⁓ okay. Okay.

Jack Moore: I do leave open the lane that this guy thought I was took taking a jab at his party.

Charles: Yeah, but what he should have done is defended his party.

Jack Moore: I did mm-hmm. Okay. Okay. Well, I don't know whether I did he wouldn't ever respond to me again. So I offended him I guess at some level. ⁓

Charles: You did nothing wrong, man. I mean you Do. Dude, how could somebody be offended by you saying, just saying, ⁓ that Trump is ruffling feathers or upsetting the apple cart? I don't quite understand how someone who could be offended by that, because you're not saying that your party is garbage or y you're garbage or anything like that, man.

Jack Moore: Well Right. ⁓ I I I I agree with all that. But I think in the worldview, the mindset he's in, to make a comment like, hey, Trump is t and he was, and it was entertaining. It was. When Trump was taking out the field, it was entertaining. When he was knocking them off, when he was when when God, man, when Jeb Bush tried to play hardball with him, like you just can't bully away the hey.

Charles: Yeah, it was. Yeah.

Jack Moore: Bitch, you got 20%. I got 45%. You know, all those exchanges. What he did, what he did to Rand Paul was hysterical. Rand Paul's like, I just want you to know he gave $25,000 to Hillary Clinton's campaign. He goes, Yeah, when your when your bitch asked him over and asked for me for money, I gave you $25,000. Then everybody's laughing. He had some hits when it came to his delivery to dismantle the party. There was some beautiful moments. Now, that might have offended this guy. Now, all I meant to say to that guy was, hey, how about that? How about that entertaining Trump? He took offense. But because I told the story about the the IT guy, I think sometimes when I say something, people hear me screaming. Like I'm screaming at them or something. Because I've heard I've heard this a lot. You're screaming at us. Yeah. ⁓ God, yeah. You know that. I hit that. I hear that all the time. Yeah. I think I'm being rational and I'm not saying anything. All I know is I said it.

Charles: Right, these people, man. Wow.

Jack Moore: the guy in a professional setting, hey, here's my card, come lecture my class sometime. I went back to the office like, hey, really great meeting you. Blah, blah, blah. Hope all is well in your world. Love Jack and let's get together sometime and ⁓ have lunch and discuss coming in. Never never call me back. Never never didn't answer the email.

Charles: Maybe maybe he's in the apple cart that's being upset and he's pissed about it.

Jack Moore: Sure, sure. But again, you know, all right, if he had responded with now, I mean, I could see this. If you'd responded with a well, my God, I hope you're not one of those that supports it him gonna I I'm kind of agnostic, I could give a shit. I just think it's kind of interesting. I think it's entertaining, then that would have left open for me to kind of express I don't really give a shit, because I didn't at the time. I did not care. And I remember the night of the election. I remember going I I was

Charles: That's Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Mm.

Jack Moore: I was kind of in bed watching TV and I'm like, son of the bitch, he might just do this. Like I didn't expect him to win at all. And then I saw the media meltdown was fun to watch. It was. It was fun.

Charles: True. That is do I agree. But what's happening now if think of it this way as a in a r if you're in a relationship or about to be in a relationship and you were talking about Kamala earlier. Kamala was a known commodity pretty much.

Jack Moore: Mm-hmm. That acted like she wasn't, but yes, she was.

Charles: Yes, but so was Trump.

Jack Moore: Sure.

Charles: But if we had a crystal ball, which obviously we don't, and let me go back to the relationship, because I rather use that as an analogy. If you have this person that you know is not being is not a good person, they're gonna treat you bad, they're gonna lie to you, and so on and so forth, then no one will fault you for not wanting to deal with them. They would say, as a matter of fact, you shouldn't deal with them. But then you have this person who is like,

Jack Moore: Mm-hmm. Right.

Charles: ⁓ they're a good person. They will do this. You know, they will take care of me and so on and so forth. And people would say, Wow, you made a good choice. But if that person was lying to you the entire time, I don't think anybody would say to you, you know, you were a real dummy for that. You're a real dummy because you were actually lied to. They lied to you. That's how we're feeling right now. We supported you because you said that you're gonna do this. But technically

Jack Moore: Yeah, but anytime somebody gets so anytime somebody gets lied to though, there's always a chorus of people that like he was a charlatan, you knew that. He you know there's a lot of that.

Charles: Well, yeah, I mean I I give you that. That that's true. You're a hundred percent correct on it. That's true. But you yourself All is well until you realize that the person lied to you.

Jack Moore: Yeah, and I don't think that Trump had established a track record from his first term that made us think he was gonna make this move when it came to initiation of military action.

Charles: the the yes, for sure. W but and he also well, th the thing with Doge though, that for a lot of fiscal

Jack Moore: I didn't see that. We we didn't really have a track record on that, but that that did look bad. Yeah. We didn't have a track record to go by, but I mean he kinda promised like I'm gonna clean up the swamp like ⁓ shit, he's making swampy moves or he's making moves, yeah.

Charles: Ye no. Yeah. And part of the swamp was money and waste. And when he said that we're gonna we're gonna straighten this up, we're gonna c root out all of this waste and stuff like that, a lot of people are like on both sides, Democrats and Republicans, like, ⁓ my goodness, finally. It whether it be the people on the right saying we just need to clean up ⁓ all the waste.

Jack Moore: Definitely. Yeah. Played well. Mm-hmm.

Charles: Or the people on the left that were saying, yeah, we need to clean up the waste so we can use it for social programs. Whatever it is, everybody wanted to clean up the waste. We didn't get it. Nobody got it. Nobody got what they wanted when it comes both sides. And these are the people who actually pushed them over the top. Not the not the base Republicans, because they're never gonna win a national election again. I've said that before. What's

Jack Moore: Right. Right.

Charles: What they need is people from the other side and the people who are in the middle to come to that side to help push them over the top. But the stuff that we wanted, we didn't get. So why should we support you?

Jack Moore: By the way, the other day when we were talking about the Republican Party, I said a hundred and seventy five years. I was about right, it was one hundred seventy two. And I also said, you know, where you know, we're trying to think about the rank and file Republican and where it grew up. It was actually Wisconsin. So Wisconsin's actually where it started in eighteen fifty.

Charles: Was it racing or something like that?

Jack Moore: Think I think you might have been yeah, I think you might be right. You might be right. I think, yeah, but I I looked, it was a town in Wisconsin, and that's where it started. Another cleanup on aisle six, because this stuff bothers me when I get rolling. I said the other day in the show, I said, you know, Richard Nixon was born in 1913 and he was only four years younger than Kennedy. What I meant to say was only four years older than Kennedy. Kennedy was born in 1917. But yeah. ⁓ so yeah, but yeah, when I go back and listen to shows sometime, I'm I can't believe I said that. You know, and I'm sure you do the same thing. You like you.

Charles: No. Okay. That's why.

Jack Moore: You but I said Nixon was born, he was born January ninth, nineteen thirteen. Yes. Cause ⁓ Elvis' birthday's January eighth. Yes. So anyway, he was nineteen thirty-five. Anyway, ⁓ yeah, so we're talking about the the party, the formation thereof, and all that kind of stuff. And I don't know. ⁓ I don't know what comes out of it. I don't know

Charles: Okay.

Jack Moore: We can keep having these conversations if the Republican Party, because one of the things Tucker, of course, is importantly saying, I ain't gonna go to the Democrats. You know, and so I do think that

Charles: Nope. Not going there.

Jack Moore: Can we get to a I know there's nothing in the constitution that prohibits it, but could we maybe maybe moving towards a three party system?

Charles: I think so. I I think so by default. The

Jack Moore: Yeah. There's gonna be defectors from Democrat, defectors from Republicans. Maybe it forms something new. Does Tucker Carlson lead that?

Charles: Yeah. Yeah. It's People have been saying it saying that. I don't think he has any interest, at least listening to what he's saying, he has any has any interest in it. And you know, I'll I'll say this. I was given an opportunity to go into certain positions in the organization that I work for. And once I got to see how the sausage was made, I realized that if I actually

Jack Moore: Right. Mm-hmm.

Charles: truly wanted to institute institute change in my agent in my organization or agency that it wasn't going to be through the normal pattern or procedures. It wasn't going to be well, it was better off to take a different path. So

Jack Moore: Was it better off to stay put? Yeah.

Charles: There were so many people who were entrenched in the system, in the s, if you want to call it the swamp, that getting change within the swamp was almost impossible because everybody had a vested interest in it staying the same. You had to take the path of having a third party party to force them to change for the better because they weren't going to do it, even if they knew it was better. And you have so many people who have an attitude, well, it's not my idea, so I'm just going to take a giant dump on it. ⁓ you know results be damned. You can't you can't function in that in that in that environment to actually do something good. So I I look at Tucker that way. I don't know if Tucker would be most valuable in going into politics. I think he's more valuable in expressing ideas. As is me.

Jack Moore: Yeah, the same thing was said about Rush Limbaugh, and I think it's a lot of truth to that. Limbaugh was far more effective in getting out the quote unquote conservative message behind the microphone than if he'd ever he he couldn't run for for office. I mean, he but he wasn't that guy. He didn't want to raise money, he didn't want to do a lot of the dirty work that you have to do to be a politician. ⁓ yeah, I think you're right. And also, ⁓ I do think this is true too. So ⁓ there is a particular

Charles: Yeah. Yes. Right. No. And I think Tuck is the same way.

Jack Moore: figure that had some time in the Trump administration. I'm not going to name the person, but I mean I like a lot of what he says. I mean I think it's a lot of his what he says is intelligent. But he turned on Trump. He definitely, you know, ran from the Trump camp. But he was making an interesting point. And I know you've we you and I have talked about this. I know there was a book written. I think it was a book written. I'm pretty sure there was a book written about the 80 year cycles. So we go from American Revolution, 80 years in the American Civil War, 80 years basically into

Charles: Okay. Yeah.

Jack Moore: The Great Depression and World War II, and now we're 80 years. And it's the old argument about the seasons. There's a spring, summer, winter, and fall. And when you come out of the American Revolution, hard men, and it was men that was discussed, you know, hard men make softer kids. And then their softer kids make softer kids. And in 80 years, through these generations, you create chaos because you've created more and more soft kids.

Charles: Yeah, yeah, every twenty years.

Jack Moore: Then the soft kids have right. Then the soft kids have to toughen up and become the greatest generation, etc. So this particular political figure was making a great point. He goes, We've got 80 and 90-year-old people running the political parties. Like we literally have 80-year-olds. And we got to stop looking to those people to solve the problem they created. And we're going to need You know, Thomas Jefferson, like him or not, he was 33 when he wrote the declaration. So you you see right, you see some of those ages and you're like, what? You know, try to imagine a person 33, you know, born in 43, 1776, he's 33 years old. So it's it's hard to imagine these people did what they did. Of course, their life expectancy then was fifty-seven years old, too, probably. So people got a lot more done by the time they were 35 than they would today.

Charles: Crazy. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, but that's deceptive though, man. You you that's deceptive.

Jack Moore: Well he lived to eighty three and Adams lived to ninety, but yeah.

Charles: Yeah. Well, it's deceptive because the life expectancy you still had to include the infant mortality rate.

Jack Moore: Well, that's what I mean. That that's what I mean. Which brings up an interesting point. This is something really interesting I heard Jordan Peterson say. Somebody was like, Jordan Peterson, why is every k every parent a helicopter parent? Why why are they all up their kids' ass, making sure they're perfect and all? And he said, Well, you know, back at the turn of the twentieth century, and I know this from family history, my grandmother was one of thirteen, I think.

Charles: Yeah.

Jack Moore: And then my grandfather was one of six. My grandfather on the other side was one of eight. And I think my grandmother on the other side was one of nine or 10. But when I heard the stories of their upbringing, like my mom was really good friends with her aunt that was three and a half years older. So my grandmother's youngest sister was my mom's like running mate best friend. They used to go to, they used to go to Richmond together and do stuff together. And they were 24 years apart. So my grandmother basically reared my aunt. She was a scream. She was fun. But but but Peterson said your rank and file mom and pop, farmers and things in the ear early 20th century, they did not get close to their kids at all. And their kids raised their kids. So they didn't have a stake in whether you went off and slayed the world and became famous, whatever. Just and you've heard these stories. One to three of them are gonna die before their third birthday. So they didn't just get particularly close. So then Peterson said with the advent of birth control, abortion, and family planning, and now everybody has 2.3 children, or they have a male and a female. All their little kitties have to be perfect. Cause they got they're investing everything in whether they're their kid can't be a bum, the kid can't be a narrow will. You know what I'm saying? Their kid has to be perfect. And then the kid feels the pressure.

Charles: Yeah, yeah.

Jack Moore: So they put him in piano school and then they put him over here in ballet and then they have him running football and they got him running, you know, and it's which one's he gonna become famous in. And then the kid feels all this pressure. You're giving me that look, but you you have been around these parents, right?

Charles: No, I'm I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, I have, but remind me to talk about Thomas Jefferson real quick. Just when you finish your story. Okay. I sent you a text message ⁓ a few weeks ago and it was it was the tremble, the Trumbull painting of the Declaration of Independence, the sign of the Declaration of Independence. And what made me think about this, what you were saying about

Jack Moore: Say it now, yeah. Say it now. Mm-hmm. Right. Right.

Charles: ⁓ Thomas Jefferson being 33 years old when he wrote the the declaration. Okay. In that painting, they took the Trumbull painting and they put the years. Is it is bananas as to man. Yes. And

Jack Moore: The ages. I saw that. I saw that. It's a bunch of thirty year olds. Yeah. Except for Ben Franklin. Right. Ben Franklin's Yes. There was a lot of thirty something year olds in the room. I saw that. I saw exactly what you said. Right. You you sent it to me. Right. Yeah.

Charles: Yeah, it is crazy that I think they were using either I think it was last year. If the declaration was signed last year, Thomas Jefferson would have been born in 1933. I mean, sorry, 1993. John Adams would have been born in 1985. Franklin would have been born in 1956. It is crazy to even think about it that way, man.

Jack Moore: Good point. Yeah. Yes, yes Yes. That is great. Yeah, because if Jefferson's born in nineteen ninety-three, yeah. I've got socks from nineteen ninety three, right? I'm thinking like nineteen ninety yeah. Yeah. And you're trying to imagine some kid that was born in nineteen ninety three and now he's signing the or he is the mi you know, chief architect of or drafter of, yeah. All right.

Charles: It's like Right. Right. Wow. Writing it. Yeah, and his his his best friend, you know, ⁓ what's it ⁓ James Madison over there. Well let me I'll tell you when he was born. Just a second. ⁓ darn, I actually clicked off of it. No, he wasn't.

Jack Moore: Yeah, Madison wasn't a lot older, maybe a little bit. Well, Washington was born in seventeen thirty two.

Charles: ⁓ Was it? ⁓ I know we were really gone off into the weeds when it comes to this. Well hold on. I don't I don't think Madison was there.

Jack Moore: So he was what, mid forties? Mid forties at the time. No, I don't think he was there for the signing of the declaration, no. No. No, and Jefferson was out of town when they did the constitution. He was in France. Yeah. All right. So Yeah, and I'm and I I went down that road about, you know, I think that there's a great point being made that I think if there's going to be any salvation to this country, or if there's going to be a great awakening.

Charles: No, I don't think ⁓ yeah. Yeah, he wasn't there. ⁓ yeah, he wasn't there. Yeah. Okay, I got Anyway, I'm sorry, man. I I it just got a sidetrack there. Sorry about that.

Jack Moore: The kind of thing that this particular figure was saying, it's got to come from the youth. It's got to. Yeah. And I do think you're finding more and more kids that kind of are at their wits' end because they're they're starting to recognize their future is at stake. And I think they're pissed. Yeah. And they should be pissed, yeah.

Charles: Yes, for sure. It has to. Yeah. They are pissed. They're looking at I d I was just having this conversation with my dad ⁓ day before yesterday. He was telling me how much his house was when he bought it. It was like twenty three thousand dollars. And he was laughing at his last mortgage payment was two hundred and eighty five dollars.

Jack Moore: Mm-hmm. That's right. Yeah.

Charles: The house now is worth like, I don't know, three seventy-five or something like that. And they're they're young people who are looking at is no possible way I could be able to afford a house. I go to school to get a job and the job is telling me the jobs that I want are telling me that I need, you know, three years worth of experience to get the job. And it's like,

Jack Moore: Yeah.

Charles: Yeah, but it's an entry position. Yeah, but you just need three years of experience. Like, this is a catch twenty-two situation here. What am I supposed to do? And I know you've seen the videos of the little kids who who their parents are trying to teach them taxes. And they're like, Mom, mom, mom, I I made five dollars. And and their their parents is like, ⁓ yeah, but technically one of those is mine.

Jack Moore: Yeah.

Charles: And they're like, what? I don't understand what you're talking about. Yeah, that's called taxes. And they're they're crying, you know, they don't want to have to deal with this. And these young kids are like, You're taking my money and you're doing what with it? But I kind of needed to buy that house that you're saying that I should get and so on and so forth. You're dude, you're a hundred percent correct, man. If they don't really get what's going on or what's happening to them, one of two is gonna one of two things is gonna happen. The Bolsheviks are coming or it's going to be a libertarian revolution that we've never seen before. It's going to be one of the two.

Jack Moore: Mm-hmm. Yeah. I th I I would lean more towards collectivism. I d I don't think I I mean I do think that well, w one thing about we call it libertarianism or individual rights or whatever you want to call it, what I've always found sort of shocking, because I was actually doing a show with somebody the other day and we were talking about this when I was teaching at a community college, at a publicly funded community college.

Charles: I know. I know.

Jack Moore: I would open the criminal justice classes with by what authority? They'd all give me a side glance, like, what are you talking about? Code of Virginia or whatever. You know what I mean? I'm like, no, but you got to ask yourself, by what authority does a person in the middle of night come up or drive a car up with blue lights on, pull you over, ask for certain things? That's not something everybody else does, right? So you have to accept certain jurisdiction, you have accept certain things, have some basis in reality, law, whatever. So I would read the Declaration of Independence and I would read. Sort of like, this is a justification for the world, to the world for our break with England, et cetera, et cetera. And I was always, and I meant this to this guy I was talking about, I was always shocked at how pleasantly surprised the students were what was in the declaration. And I would be like, You have heard of this. No, first time we've ever heard this. They were all publicly educated kids, and like no one had ever covered the declaration and what's actually in it. I'm serious. ⁓ absolutely.

Charles: Mm.

Jack Moore: They were like, what's that's in the declaration? I kind of heard about that. Where does that come from? You know? So I just make that point. You don't really hear, I think your experiences would be the same. When you start going down a road of, I think that if there is government, government should skew towards protective individual rights, as you explain it to people. You don't usually get a lot of crazy, like, what's the craziest thing I've ever heard? You know, it seems to hit people often right. And I've said this. I don't ever know how you and I could ever, with our views, be offensive to somebody. Because it's basically smoke it if you got it, knock yourself out, screw what you want, what don't tax me to support it. Don't make me believe it when it's not real. But otherwise, do whatever the hell you want. Right? So I never understand how that's offensive. I never understand, like, well, if you're if it was your way.

Charles: Right. Mm.

Jack Moore: We wouldn't be able to subsidize everything we want to do or something. Okay, well then you're getting really to the point. You want tax dollars to do your crazy things and excuse me, I don't want you to get the tax dollars and support your craziness. That's the difference. Often, I mean that's a big part of it. So I never understand why freedom and individual choice is offensive. Like, how could libertarians ever be offensive if we if we want to use that? term, 'cause it's a loose term, classical liberal.

Charles: Because it's offensive because there are people who think that we can't survive without forcing other people to contribute to society. That's how they look at it.

Jack Moore: Right. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. Yeah.

Charles: And I'm like, mm, well you want me to contribute to the shared misery? Is that what you want? 'Cause

Jack Moore: You you know, I think that that gets into a real point. We'll close here because we're gonna start another show, but ⁓ that gets into a real point about what's the most effective way. And Dave Smith's talked about this a lot. He was sort of default liberal, grew up in New York, comedian, et cetera. Gotta be a liberal, you're from New York. And then it was seeing Ron Paul, he's listening to Ron Paul rip apart Giuliani in one of the Republican debates. It's kinda like, I've never heard a guy talk like that. No wars, you know. So he's listening, and then that makes him dive into all the great literature. You know, you start you start getting into Hayek and and you, you know, you Milton Friedman and he's reading these people. You know, Ayn Rand gets thrown into that sometime. Objectivist, not really a libertarian. She wasn't she didn't really particularly like the Libertarian Party, but she's an objectivist. But you start going down, you know, Road to Serfdom, you start reading all the all the the libertarian works. ⁓ Rothbard, you ⁓ he r he runs these all the time. So you start to read. And then often people are like, son of a gun, I've never heard anybody put it that way before. And then you sort of fall into that, now it's all making sense. But if you've never had that sort of revelation, it's it's crazy because you you'll hear people like, What do you mean, not fun this and fund that? So when you say to people, if you like that idea, stroke checks, get like-minded individuals, knock yourself out. They're they're like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, no, you have government to do that. And we didn't really Totally say this the other day, but I was doing the show with the Second Amendment guy, and you and I have touched on it too. A lot of where our country went sideways after the role of the government does come post-American Civil War because there was, and really a hundred years later with the civil rights legislation, there is a feeling, and I get it, if the federal government doesn't step in to tell Mississippi to clean up their act, they ain't gonna do it on their own. You know what I mean? So it So then it becomes understandably a worldview one might have. Nah, the guy that let me actually breathe and live my life and the rest seemed to be the guys in Washington, not the guys in Jackson, Mississippi, or you know, something along that line. But then it grows and grows and grows, and people don't see it as being a locality thing anymore. They think all good comes from the federal government, which I get. I do, I get it.

Charles: Yeah, no, I I understand what you're saying, but no I Gosh, I don't wanna take credit for this, but I can't think of me hearing it anywhere else. I have said that collectivism only works within Dunbar's number. Once it goes outside of Dunmar's number, then you start getting into people not wanting to have anything to do with it because that Dunbar's number essentially says a human can pretty much only have a relationship with about 150 people. Personal relationship. Once you go outside of that and you think about these these communes and stuff like that, it's usually a a a pretty small group of people and they all work together and so on and so forth, but it It works. It works because you know who's who you're giving your work to. You know that. But when you don't know who you're giving your work to, you start to question whether or not they're actually being honest about what they're doing. And is it worth you giving it to somebody that you don't know? But when it comes to collectivism, I guess you just thought that, ⁓ well. If it works for this group, we can just expand it and it should work for everybody. But it doesn't. Because if I don't know the guy over there in, I don't know, Barstow, California, but you you're telling me that I have to go out there and work in, you know, whatever I have to do to give to him, I'm gonna be like, no, not doing because I know that guy. I don't know that guy. But if it's somebody I actually did know, I would be more likely to actually.

Jack Moore: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Charles: want to go along with it. That's what these people don't understand. This is human, this is just human nature not to want to go outside your own circle to sh to start giving stuff away. You want to take care of the people in your own circle. Unfortunately, it's only 150 people, not 150 million.

Jack Moore: Let me tell you one other real quick story because I do think that there's a thing that people pivot to too that I call fairness freaks. Like I've been around people that I've considered fairness freaks all my life. And ⁓ a crazy story. I worked on a military base. And the first military base I worked on, we did a lot of manual labor type of stuff. I ended up in a motor pool eventually doing oil changes and stuff like that on vehicles and and basically signing out vehicles that

Charles: Yeah.

Jack Moore: That some of them went back to Korea actually, but we had jeeps and trucks and all this. But when I did on this tent crew thing, these troops would come in and there were slabs all over these fields. Some of them you may have been in before, but there were all these concrete slabs, and we would put together a 32 by 16 10 man tent. So all these slabs that were out were distances apart that were measured, and then we come along.

Charles: Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: Throw out one of these tents. Come along on a truck, throw out that was first day, tents, tents, tents. Then you went out there and you erected the tents. After you erected the tents, and I'm talking about days in Virginia then were easily 95 degrees. So when you prop the tent up, it had two big center beams, it had a cross beam at the top, and it had all these side supports with these guy wires, and you'd set them up and you would put 10 racks in with 10 mattresses. You with me, right?

Charles: That's called a G P medium. Yep. Yep. Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah.

Jack Moore: Yep. That's exactly right. Yep. Okay. So you know what I'm talking about, right? So you can imagine they buttoned in the front. They they kind of buttoned in the front. They buttoned at the rear. And at 95 degree day, when we when we would go along, there'd be a guy, there was one of the guys, he's going along, opening the front, opening the front, opening the front, opening the front. Now they're dropping the racks. So these are metal racks to hold a mattress. Ten of them go in.

Charles: Ooh.

Jack Moore: So we must have like 15, 20 guys. So they're dropping them on the ground. The fr and I'm in college and there's a lot of these guys, they're laborers. A lot of them were, you know, were vets and stuff. They were good guys. But my thing is, I did not want to take said rack, be first in, go to the bat, set up rack, and watch nine other guys come in behind me because inside the tent was easily 130 degrees. I mean, it was just crazy, right?

Charles: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Jack Moore: 'Cause it's been standing there in the heat all day. Now we've opened them up. So I was sweating in ways that I can't even begin to imagine. It was cool though. I it was it was a good summer job, right? And I love the guys out there. And they were anywhere between my age, and that's another thing when I got there. I'm like, ⁓ I'm gonna be working with the big bad labor type of guys. If it hadn't been for three of us college students, nothing ever would have gotten done. I d honest to God. I started to see how these guys would work and how they'd work to avoid work. It was really crazy. But anyway, I get this revelation after standing in a tent for like

Charles: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: 10 minutes as I watch the slowest guys come in and they're like rack on the ground. All right, pull the legs out. Okay. Now I'm in the back and I can't get out because I'm not going to open the back of it yet. So I'm like, dudes, get the, you know, just get out of here. Okay. You've gotten your rack in. So I go yelling to a group of guys. And I was part of the crew now. It's like my second summer. I'm like, hey, guys, I'm going to go six down and I'm going to do. Everyone I can myself. And this guy lost his mind. I'll never forget. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Gotta be a fair distribution of work. I'm like, no, no, no. I'm gonna knock out three in the times you guys get one done. Cause I'm gonna go in, rack, set up, come back out, in, rack, set up. I'm gonna have 10 set up before you guys ever even get 10 of them into that one. I'll do it by myself. And the guy was freaking out about no, everybody has to do the equal amount of work. And I'm like, dudes, I'm dying standing in the back waiting for your asses to get out with your racks. You follow what I'm saying. Like, I said, Well, look, if 10 guys went in and out of one and then down 10 tents, or each guy took a tent, it's the same amount of work. And they're like, What? And I'm like, look, if I go into a tent once, 10 times.

Charles: Yes.

Jack Moore: Or I go into the tent once with 10 racks. It's the same thing. And they were like, we don't follow. And we ain't doing that. And I'm like, I'm doing it. I don't give a shit. I'm doing it. And I had enough sway then. So I just go on down with a couple of other younger guys. And we're in their knocking the sh. I we're just like in the rack, in the rack, in the rack. We're back out. Okay, we got 10 in. Let's go the next one. The other guys are poking around, jamming each other up in the tent. But that's what they were like. So then it's one day, this is the beautiful part.

Charles: Wow.

Jack Moore: We're at Fort AP Hill. There were parts that on a truck would take 30 minutes to get to the other part of camp. It was Camp Cook, I think, was the big one that was far away. It's like Port Royal almost. So we go out there one day with a load of mattresses, I think. And they drop us off with the mattresses. That truck has to go all the way back to a part of camp. Have a group reload the truck and come back. So our big thing to do was play poker when we didn't have anything else to do. So these guys are like, whoa, whoa, slow down. If we slow down, the work won't. I said, guys, they can't send us home today. The truck just left. We got all of these mattresses to get on the racks. If we knock this shit out in a few minutes, guess what? What? We're going to play poker. And they're like, what? And I make think about it.

Charles: Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: They can't force us to do anything until the next truck gets back. So we can sit there and lollygag around, not get this stuff done, and then the truck's gonna be pulling up with the next load. ⁓ we knock this out as fast as we can, and we have all the time until the truck gets back to play poker. And there, you can see their looks like, damn, that makes sense. Yeah. And but I was like, why am I having to explain this to you? But I love those guys, but they were so worried all the time. Now they also, I understood, work from the incentive.

Charles: Right. Yeah. ⁓

Jack Moore: That if that's seasonal work, we did work ourselves out of a job, they were out of a job. So dragging their feet was did make sense sometimes because again, it was seasonal work. And if you got everything done, if you did the tents too fast, troops were there. They were going to use the tents. There's nothing else to do. All right, we started with Tucker Carlson, the Republican Party. We end with working on the base. But I just, I just bring that story up to say it really struck me to watch how people approach work and things like that.

Charles: Yeah.

Jack Moore: And how if you explain to them, you know, that I would rather work alone and do twice as much as you. But the but the fear was no, no, no, no. That means you're gonna get away with something. I'm like, bullshit. I'm gonna do two tenth by the time you you know. But it was no, no, no, no. We gotta make sure everything is equal. Everybody's equal. Like, I get rid of rats that rats ass about equal. I just wanna make sure I'm not sweating my ass off, but okay, go ahead.

Charles: No, I mean I I understand I've heard the same thing and the the organization I work for is just it's bananas but that's why I I have a job where it's pretty much just me. I don't have to worry about other people.

Jack Moore: Right. Yeah, not having to worry about dealing with other people does make it a lot better. All right, close so you're gonna start a new party, you're gonna be the head of that new party, and you are running for president, you're calling on the asteroid, I think, to be your running mate, but it's

Charles: Yeah, I do what I need to do. Okay. Yes. Well, maybe if I'm running I don't want the asteroid to come, at least not yet. Okay. Yeah. If if

Jack Moore: ⁓ Yeah, but you can campaign on the threat of the asteroid.

Charles: Yeah, but then that wouldn't really give people an incentive to vote for me for the fact that it would matter anyway. Now

Jack Moore: Yeah, but you might get you might get people to believe the asteroid's gonna do whatever you ask it to, is including lay off, you know.

Charles: ⁓ okay, all right. So what my c what my what my platform would be is if you vote for me, I'll steer the asteroid away. Yes. Yes, I sure do. As a matter of fact, yes, we're on a first name basis. Yeah yes. Yes.

Jack Moore: Like it. You got a good working relationship with the asteroid, so why not? Love it. Asteroid. Okay. Jack, Charles, more to consider. Please like and subscribe. Share with others. Please make comments that I have been reading lately. Like I'm not supposed to, but I have been reading some of ⁓ So Charles, brother, anything else? All right. That's a wrap. Talk to you soon.

Charles: Yeah. Don't do that. Nah, I'm good, man. I'm good. Alright. Bye.