Trump, the GOP, and Impeachment

Moore To Consider: Welcome to Moore to Consider with Jack and Charles Charles. are you, sir?

Charles Hundley Jnr: I'm doing OK, just enjoying a beautiful day today.

Moore To Consider: Yeah. The weather here in Virginia has definitely gotten warmer, considerably warmer from these. This is as crazy a cool period going this deep into May that I can never remember. I'm talking cool. Like we're, you know, we're mid Atlantic, but it's been cold at times. It's deep. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. Yes. Dude it was 56, 53 last Monday. It was 80 on Sunday and then 53 on Monday.

Moore To Consider: Yeah. Yeah. So. It's been San Diego is what it's been. Yeah. It's really been, you know, which I love, you know, I was out in San Diego last summer, June and everybody at 61 when I land June and everybody's like, Oh, it's June gloom. I'm like, okay. They're like, yeah, yeah, it's overcast. Now where do you come back in August? And I go back in August and it's a 66 and I've been there in January. What was 74, which I love. I doesn't get any better.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, pretty much, yeah. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: San Diego, no bugs, you know, it's just always kind of this great weather for human existence. And then when I was there in August, I'm like, yeah, but if you go an hour and a half east of here, it's 110 and the desert. So it's that whole configuration about how San Diego, the mountain ranges around there, whatever sets a whole perfect existence up. But it is California. Whatever, everything else is going on in California. Okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yep. That's terrible. You

Moore To Consider: ⁓ talking to our friend the other day, and this is kind of something for the whole audience that we're developing. I'm out of politics altogether. I mean, we're going to talk about things, but, you know, I was telling this friend the other day that we both, ⁓ was kind of our mentor. I said, it's getting to the point now. I'm a history guy. always been a history guy. Give me 10 years and I'll tell you what I think of things. Because on the fly, everybody's lying. There's, there's nothing that's going on. that if it's Fox and CNN head to head on any issue, I actually saw somebody really make this clear. It was crazy. And now, of course, I'm totally at a loss for words to remember, but it was like an event, an event. And it said, here is headline one side, the political spectrum. Here's headline other side. And it was the exact same event. And how It was stated would absolutely push you one direction or the other on what you think just happened. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. So with that being said, you go ahead and tell the audience really what you want to discuss.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah, yeah I was there. I had this, I had listened to some guy on the radio just yesterday and he talking about how there's this parliamentary procedure that usually or could happen during a recess. And the way he was describing it is that whatever party holds the White House, if If the other party controls Congress, what they'll do is they'll just have a senator go in during a recess. They'll have a senator go in and make this paragraph speech or whatever. It's some procedural thing, know, slam the gavel and then be on his merry way. And then they will pretty much just rotate senators or if one person wants to do it and just let that one person do it. But what that does is it blocks the president from making recess appointments. What was really ticking this guy off was that the Republicans are going to do this or are doing this for Trump or should I say against Trump to block whatever recess appointment he may want to make while they're out vacationing for the Memorial Day weekend. He knows Memorial Day weekend for us and his Memorial Day two weeks for them. But that's another story. ⁓ And he did comment on that too, but I do find it interesting as to the Republicans wanting to do this to block whatever recess appointments Trump wants to make. And the Republicans don't have to do anything. I'm sorry. The Democrats don't have to do anything. They just have to pretty much just stay home. The Republicans are going to take care of this for them. And it made me think about, who's actually turning their back or not supporting Trump now. And it seems to be a growing number of people. And just this morning, I needed to go to the grocery store. as I'm standing in line, there's a guy in front of me. He has a Trump shirt on. And I didn't say anything to him. I didn't say anything to him while we're in the line, because obviously we're in a grocery store. But I waited until we got outside and I called up to the guy. said, hey man, you know, just got a quick question for you. I said, I'm not questioning why you voted for him. Not at all. And I said to him, I actually supported the guy myself. I said, but how do you feel about the way things are going? And he looked at me and he put his head down and just shook his head and he said, I don't get it, man. I don't understand what's going on. I said, this isn't making any sense to me. The cost of living is going up, know, the gas is going up, everything. Housing, he was just here temporarily, but he has to rent a house. And he said that the rent for the house is up to like $1,800. And he says it's a pretty small house. And And it wasn't like that last year because he does it every so often.

Moore To Consider: Right.

Charles Hundley Jnr: And he's just a little, I'm not going say ticked off, but he's asking questions as to, you know, if I know it's going to be like this, you know, would I have even voted? Not so much would I have voted for the Democrats, but would I have even voted? And I looked at him and I said, I understand, man. I kind of feel the same way. So I'm wondering how many more people are feeling this way? You know, are they, if the election were tomorrow.

Moore To Consider: Right. Right.

Charles Hundley Jnr: would they still cast the vote the same way they did in November 2024? That's a big question.

Moore To Consider: So I did a little research here to kind of look at where there's a mechanical issue that cannot be. discounted and in any analysis. want to go back 10 years though to, gosh, I want to say this without getting into specifics at all, but I'll just say this. I was teaching at a college, as you know, and I had occasion to meet somebody that I'll just say is a publicly elected by the public elected into a position and given what I taught. that person was in a field that it would be important for me to build a relationship with given the subject matter of what I taught. Fala, he's an elected official and I'm in his office and this is spring of 2016. ⁓ March, spring. So I'm in his office and he has a bust of Ronald Reagan. He's ended up in Virginia, but he wasn't from Virginia originally. He's got a bust of Ronald Reagan. And I said, Hey, big fan of Reagan. ⁓ right. lifelong Republican brother, lifelong Republican. That's Ronald Reagan. You know, tears are welling up and that kind of thing. Just kind of, okay. So then we're heading towards the door and I'm like, here's my contact. Here's my business card. My email's on there. I'd like for you to speak to my class sometime.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mm-hmm.

Moore To Consider: And then as we hit the door, said, Hey, that Donald Trump is really upset in the apple cart. Isn't he? Isn't he? And man, just, just rage like went over him. Like, he seemed to get really pissed off. He is, he is not of our party. He is ruining our party. know, he just like, he's that guy. Never heard from him again. I him an email. I sent him an email.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Interesting.

Moore To Consider: And all I really said was, Hey, that son of a gun's really upset. Hey, he's really knocking out the establishment types. Isn't he? He's really beaten up on Jeb Bush, for example. Right. He, he got visibly shaken. That's not our party brother. That, that, that, that, know, none of that. So I emailed him back. like, Hey, met you the other day. Love to set up an opportunity for you to speak to my class. He didn't respond. Now he may not have responded because of whatever reason, but I'll never forget. I bring up that point because that's 10 years ago. And I definitely got the vibe from him. was this, what would be the best term to say, ⁓ someone not worthy of our cause type of thing. This low character guy, fill in whatever you want. It was definitely a, yes, he's taking shots at some of our establishment types. And I kind of sigh with the establishment types. It's a feeling I got. And I think he felt like Reagan was an establishment Republican.

Charles Hundley Jnr: A Grifter? Mm-hmm.

Moore To Consider: And that Reagan was part of the Republican party that, and I know a lot of people that feel that way. know, Reagan's kind of on the Mount Rushmore Republican presidents, right? mean, Lincoln, him, I mean, that's kind of, Teddy, what's that? I said Lincoln and Reagan. And I think Teddy Roosevelt would be the other, but you know, figure out a fourth, right? When it comes to the Republican party,

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. Did you say Lincoln? Did you say Lincoln? Okay, alright.

Moore To Consider: I think Lincoln and Reagan are two of the biggest figures in the party's history. Fair. Okay. So I bring up all that to it's 10 years ago. And then he won. He took down what 17 members of the party to get the nomination. And then you started to slowly see, you know, the Cruz, he took shots at Rubio, you know, little Rubio, whatever. And he took the shot at Cruz's wife and he took shots at everybody.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes, yes.

Moore To Consider: The John McCain thing, and I've talked about that many times, was it Frank Lutz is the big writer. He was the one that asked the question. It's Frank Lutz, right? Okay. I remember seeing one these documentaries and Lutz was like, when he said that McCain wasn't here, I knew that was it. He was done with the Republican party. He was done with. And the next day in South Carolina, where he made the statement, his polling numbers went up like quite a bit. And we've talked about, think in large part, cause it's the South Carolina folks at

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes.

Moore To Consider: sent a lot of the kids into harm's way when the John McCain types vote for the wars or the military excursions. So it was like, he was like, just, I, and all my political career, I've never seen such a thing. And then he gets it. So then you start seeing people backpedaling to, he's a great guy. He's the president, you know, hell he won. So now we have to go. But deep down, I always thought they still hate him.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Alright.

Moore To Consider: Now he had his issues with Pence. I thought Pence was an establishment guy. thought he was an insider. I thought, you know, they've heard this story. He was kind of a Bush insider. He was a plant to go in there and, you I don't know, infiltrate the Trump administration. Well, they have their falling out, certainly with the January 6th, 2021, they fall out. But then when Trump wants to commit whatever type of military action against Iran, all of sudden, the greatest presidents ever lived, you know, and they get bolt.

Charles Hundley Jnr: All right.

Moore To Consider: So then all these people spin back. So they spin back for that usefulness of, think they're on the same side. But I say all this to say going back to 10 years ago when this establishment Republican fan, it seemed like, did not want to hear Trump's name because he was ruining the party. Let's face it. Now he's almost six years into eight possible years of service. And with the midterm coming up, we know what's going to happen. Historically, the opposition party is going to gain seats and when they do, they're going to routinely impeach Trump. It's going to be every other day, however many times it takes. They're going to just make up stuff. We know that. And like I told you three, four weeks ago or a month ago, I don't know that there won't be enough senators in the U.S., enough Republican senators, regardless of what the outcome of the midterm is, to remove him. I know it takes to two thirds and all that, but I think a lot of it might be like, okay, over and done. We get rid of them, put JD Vance in, let them get a head start on being the incumbent running in 2028 and just get rid of them. Saying all that, what do you think?

Charles Hundley Jnr: I think that the establishment of Republicans, they're living in a time capsule, they think that things are like they were 40 years ago or 30 years ago, even 15 years ago. They're not. And if they go down this path, What they're going to end up doing is losing all the people who are trying to say they're going to lose all the people that Trump actually spoke to, even though he didn't exactly tell all the truth that the younger people and younger people don't want to have anything to do with the Republican Party. They don't. So if they want to go down that route. Have fun, but your days are going to be numbered.

Moore To Consider: Right. No.

Charles Hundley Jnr: because they're not really making too many more ⁓ establishment GOP members. It's not enough to sustain the party itself. We may actually see, for the first time that I can think of, a splintering of a major political party.

Moore To Consider: Well, the distance. Yeah. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I could kind of see that happening if the establishment gets back into control because what they don't understand is the reason that they're in control now is because people didn't want the same old establishment. They didn't want that. Okay, you want to go back to it? Okay, maybe they want to go back to it just for their own purposes. Maybe that's what it is. It's not for the betterment of the country. I've always asked this question of a conservative. What do you believe in? What is your philosophy? They don't have one. It's, well, I just want to conserve things. Conserve what? What do you mean? If you can't really answer that question, then you're really running your party based on faith. And some of us are not going to vote for you based on faith because you keep screwing us over. This is how I feel about it.

Moore To Consider: Alright, isn't this part of it too though? I think it would be fair to say historically that Trump became the party of Trump. He uses a vehicle, as we knew it, Republican party, but he did not by 2017 have the same party. The people that voted for him, and I think he restructured in his own image, and I think that was part of the danger. for anything other than Democrat. If we're going to have two major parties, we can argue all day about that. Should there be multiple parties or more than two, but it is a kind of a binary thing right now, regardless of how we feel we'd like it to be. And I think that yes, Trump, know, what he pretty much been a Democrat all of his life. Then he kind of goes Republican. I guess he sees that as his best avenue to whatever objectives he's trying to achieve. But he destroys in those 17 establishment figures and getting the nomination in 2016, he kind of destroys the image of the party. And many would say for good, getting the Rust Belt, getting the laborer, the guy that's like, hey, the system screwed me. They moved the jobs the way offshore. So all that stuff, he got that dynamic who was the kind of union guy who had always voted Democrat. And then was kind of a movement of both parties. I say then,

Charles Hundley Jnr: Right. Yeah. Right.

Moore To Consider: Because it was sort of made in his image. And I don't think I can name one person in politics that continues to have a loyalty to him. They may do it for purposes right now because it's expedient, but I don't think anybody in his orbit really is loyal to him at this point. They'll ride it out as long as he's useful. But then the thing is, whatever he formed, whatever the party became under him, I think the moment he's gone, it's a free for all on what the party becomes because there is no step in for Trump. There is no step in. There is no, I don't think JD Vance. mean, again, even think about it the front end, JD Vance was literally one of those people that, you know, that they caught on a mic saying that he thought he was a Hitler-like figure or he could be a dictator.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Alright.

Moore To Consider: You know, and then four years later he has to do, no, I was actually wrong about that. Trump's a great guy. Well, you know, and that was a talking point of the Democrats in the election. Like, even your vice presidential nominee called you that. And he did.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, yeah, but calling somebody that when you don't know them and then admitting that, you know, maybe I was wrong, I think goes a long way versus calling somebody that when you know them, getting to know them and realizing that, ⁓ yeah, maybe I was wrong and then not admitting it.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, but it's just like, it's just like in baseball, right? I'm an umpire and I make an emphatic call. I just, I'm on it. I, the guy's out. And then a buddy comes over and said, you blew the call. You missed that. That the guy never made the tag or whatever. And then I do the honorable thing after a little breakdown. go, okay, I'm going come out and say the runner was safe. You could say upon better information that I overturned my own blundered call and therefore we got it right. But everybody in the stands is like, the guy's still a clown. He's a terrible umpire. He blew the call. Yeah, we might've gotten it right. And I use that example to say, you might give some grace to, to Vance and say, well, eventually kind of rigor. He, at first he didn't really know. Well, if he's the kind of guy that's going to make a Hitler like comment about someone he doesn't know enough about, that doesn't look real good either. Fair. Yeah. So you might question his judgment.

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ I was just about to say that. Yep, was. Yep.

Moore To Consider: And going out there and shooting his mouth off and saying that this guy who's going to be the party leader is a Hitler like figure. I think he did that to play to the establishment. Then the establishment lost control and it's like, oopsie. I think a lot of these people again, you know, ⁓ gosh. Scaramucci. You got the face. You got the face. Yeah. ⁓ what's first name? First name.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, no, know you have a microphone issue. I can't remember. I just know a scared mochi.

Moore To Consider: I can't think of it either right now. but have you listened to, mean, he's doing a whole podcast, just like massive amounts of content on just what a crazy guy Trump is and everything. And I'm not disparaging him and he knows him. don't, but it's, it's interesting to hear the level of what he's saying about him now to have actually worked with him directly, like was in his orbit, you know, Could you really miss on somebody that much that you don't really know what they were?

Charles Hundley Jnr: If I'm not mistaken, wasn't he the first person that Trump actually fired after he got inaugurated? And it was within weeks.

Moore To Consider: Probably. Yeah. Anthony Scaramucci. Um, yeah, he was the White House communications director from July 21 through 31. Is that right? It was only 10 days. ⁓ yeah, I mean, he's a bright guy. Like I, I watch a lot of his stuff comes up. He's 62 years old Republican, blah, blah. ⁓ Harvard university JD is a Harvard law graduate. Okay. ⁓ I'm just saying he is, he is doing a lot of content on YouTube. And think God bless him. Knock yourself out, you know, give whatever, but he's doing like, he's bringing on people. Like your doctor so-and-so with degrees and blah, blah, blah. What's going on with Trump? He's crazy. He's maniacal. That's what they're doing on these shows. And I'm thinking like, Hey, you were right beside him at one time campaigning for him. And now it's like, he can see so clearly now this craziness of Trump. Again, just what an awful figure he is. And I'm like, you didn't really see any of that up close when you were trying to get him elected. Did you only see it after being fired?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Is it craziness or is it that these people who are in politics, especially at that level, the vast majority of them, they came up through the ranks, but even the ranks themselves were a little phony. You would shake somebody's hand and you would absolutely despise the person, but you're doing it for the press. You're doing it for the camera or whatever.

Moore To Consider: Right? Hmm?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Trump on the other hand, not so much. I'm not shaking your hand. I don't care what you have to say. know, which I think the vast majority of these political people don't understand because, you know, I've heard them say, why can't we have the dignity and common decency like we had with Obama? And I say, yeah, but he didn't do anything. He was a nice guy. He didn't do anything. So what would you rather have? And it's kind of like a drill. Obama.

Moore To Consider: Who was a nice guy that didn't do anything? You don't think he did anything? OK, gotcha. OK.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, he did nothing. Yeah, he did nothing. Nothing positive that I can think of.

Moore To Consider: Well, there's a question between nothing positive and doing nothing. Would you say that he had all did anything negative?

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ well, I personally can't come up with anything definitive that he did positive. That's what I'm saying.

Moore To Consider: Okay, I got you. I got you. But you don't think he was as consequential as some people would like to believe that he was. Right. I'm with you.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, he definitely wasn't. I've heard people say, you know, the crazy thing that it was the first or one of the first scandal free ⁓ administration. It's not like like you must have fallen and bumped your head. And then I'll rattle off a few scandals and they're like, well, I've never heard. I said, yeah, because the guy was being protected. That's why. That's why you never heard it. But anyway, I just think that Trump.

Moore To Consider: Oh yeah, I remember hearing that. Yeah. Yeah. been a long list of, yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: is not one of those people who's going to just shake your hand because he wants to shake your hand. mean, I'm sorry, shake your hand because somebody else is telling him to do it. And I. And.

Moore To Consider: No, he said, no, I agree with you there for sure. As best we can tell. And again, we're doing a, we're doing a view from the vantage point we have. We don't know the guy. haven't met the guy, but we can only see what's reported. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, he's most certainly not a politician. He's not even close. And I really don't think that he's wanting to surround himself with politicians. He got burned on that in his first administration. He really did. I think he, yes, he has. The people that he has around him, I think are more competent. The problem is him now. It's him.

Moore To Consider: No, not in that sense, no. Is he doing any better this time? Sure. Okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: And it's a shame that he didn't have those people his first time with his demeanor and let's just say the way Trump is Trump the first time, because it would have been fantastic. Can you imagine what could potentially have been done then? He has the people now for the most part.

Moore To Consider: Do you believe any of that? Do you believe any of that argument that people make that when he won the election on the night in November of 2016, it was like, shit, now I got to do this. Do you believe that at all? Cause I've heard that that he never thought he was going to win. This was all publicity, et cetera. Then it was like, ⁓ hell, I never meant for this to happen. Now I got a really

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, no, I don't honestly I don't believe that. No, I do think he was surprised that he won just like pretty much everybody else was just about.

Moore To Consider: I don't buy it either, but... Yeah. Well, and the reason I say that, the reason I say that, like that argument has been made, like I didn't even tend to win is that then it was like, ⁓ okay. Well now I'm going to make these people in the establishment like me. Art of the deal. I know how to do this. And then he didn't realize the swamp creatures. ⁓ no, no, no. We're going to eat you alive and spit you out. And he really thought like the Nancy Pelosi's and Chuck Schumer's. Yeah. I was.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: pout around with them 20 years ago that they know me. Well, no, they're not going to be on your side on this. He literally thought he could do that.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, they're, I think personally, when it comes to just say Schumer and Pelosi, I think they personally like Trump, but they're playing politics and he's not used to that.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm. Well, you remember it at one of those dinners. Gosh, which one was it? The one where they set Trump right beside Schumer and Schumer did everything he could to try to seem like he was distancing himself from, was creating distance. Hmm. Yeah. But what was funny is Trump gets up and then he gets this chance to speak and he goes, Hey, Chuck over here. Right.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, he has to. Yeah, he has to.

Moore To Consider: I was the first guy in New York when he wanted to run for Congress. I was the first one to give him a, know, 200 or $2,500 check or something. And Schumer was like literally trying to cover himself. He's like, damn it. He's bringing up stories of we used to pal around.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, he has to. Yeah, it's all that's all politics. If you remember, remember, was it was. ⁓ What was that funeral? It was a presidential funeral. I think it was the most recent one. Jimmy Carter. No, no, no. Jimmy Carter's funeral. OK, so if you remember the backlash that Obama got. Just for kind of, you know, yucking it up with him or being

Moore To Consider: Right. ⁓ it was Bush 41. ⁓ that one too, right. Mm-hmm. ⁓ absolutely. It was right after the election.

Charles Hundley Jnr: So this is a case of, mean, Schumer did that because he still got to play the role. Obama didn't have to do it because I personally believe that the two of them have no issue with each other. I don't believe Schumer has an issue with them. I think Schumer and the rest of them, it's all politics. That's all it is. They can't be honest with the rest of the people by

Moore To Consider: Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: by saying actually he's not that bad because they would just get a giant they would get dumped on.

Moore To Consider: Oh, or that we've run in social circles with them in the past. mean, it's not like they don't know. Well, no, when you said funeral, thought something else that I remember, and I had a friend of mine that kind of more believed in this guy because they thought he was like sent by God or something. it was at the Bush 41 funeral that I'm like, uh-oh, you better watch out for Pence. And I told a really flag waving Republican friend, like, no, no, Pence is a great guy. And I said, well. Here's what you got with your great guy. They're rolling in all these presidents and former presidents and former first ladies and Pence goes sprinting over to Hillary and Hillary Clinton and they kind of hug it up. And then, know, I saw this person that was a lip reader and said they were talking, Hillary says something like, you and your wife are invited to something and bills, they're smiling. I don't know if that's what was said or not, but they're clearly playing nice together. Pence is clearly. happy to be in the presence of Hillary. And I thought, this is a person who went way beyond the pale. It took very drastic measures to try to frame his boss for being a Russian spy and the like. Fair? Right. He knows that. How could you really be

Charles Hundley Jnr: All right, yeah.

Moore To Consider: that jovial, how could you really be, and then people, well, it's just politics. Well, people think, yeah, it's just politics, but you're the vice president for a guy who was almost totally screwed over by an apparatus that she led. And I'm like, if they're really that friendly. And then all of sudden Trump and Melania come in and everybody shuts up, everybody goes to their seat and everybody gets really stiff and everything. then, ⁓ some of the parties don't even hardly acknowledge that Trump walked in and print and, ⁓

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah.

Moore To Consider: And Mike Pence goes over and sprints over to his seat and finally sits down and all. But you know what I'm saying? When I saw that, I said, Pence is enough establishment that he can play nice with Hillary and bill. And that's who he is that he's not really in there for Trump.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, think of it, if Trump gets removed then he gets a promotion. Honestly.

Moore To Consider: That's a way of putting it. Yeah. I mean, I get what you're saying, but I'm saying if there's any, okay. I don't know. I think I make that clear. He's got a boss. He has a guy that said run is my presidential, my vice presidential nominee candidate. And there's a woman there who very likely used just about every aspect of government she could, ⁓ and had aspects of government cover up some of her other misdeeds. And he's over there hugging her and making nice with her.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. But, I don't know. you think that Pence would be more ⁓ allied to or with an outsider or another political hack?

Moore To Consider: I don't disagree with that, Charles. Let me ask you this. Do you think when it's all said and done, you might want to say in the end, Pence may not have been the most loyal person to Trump? Whether Trump's right or wrong.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I'm going to say another political hack. I'm sorry. Well, hold on, before I get to that, who do think he would be more allied to?

Moore To Consider: them. get it. I get it. I'm not just and I don't know that Trump could have found a person to run for vice president that wasn't swamp creature. I don't think they were available, but I have heard that he was basically a bush plant. That is one of the arguments.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes, so that's... I'm not just going to say... Why, I just got a quick one. Why do you say bush plant?

Moore To Consider: That what Pence had, it's quite a horsepower to be in a position to potentially go into the number two slot and be a vice president. What he had built in capital. What was it? Indiana? Been a member of the house and I think it was governor at one point. I would look up his resume, but I think he's from Indiana. Yeah. What?

Charles Hundley Jnr: He was... I had never heard of him prior to that.

Moore To Consider: Yeah. Okay. All right. While I'm in mid sentence, you go ahead and, and talk about that while I want to make sure I'm exactly right on, ⁓ I think he was a, I thought he was a governor maybe.

Charles Hundley Jnr: So... So... What? He might've been, but my point is those people are more allied to people like them versus someone who was not. So he had way, way, way more in common with Hillary than he had with Trump.

Moore To Consider: Okay. I don't disagree. All right. Governor 50th governor of Indiana in office 2013 until January 9th, 2017. So he walked right out of being governor of Indiana into being vice president, like a week later, he was chair of the house Republican conference before that he was a member. Okay. I pretty much got it. He was a member of the house of representatives for 12 years and he was governor. I thought he was governor of Indiana and I knew there was an Indiana connection. Okay. ⁓

Charles Hundley Jnr: Okay.

Moore To Consider: I'm, and when I throw out what I'm saying, maybe in the comments, somebody can straight my ass out. But what I've heard is when you get into the orbits of, well, I'll throw this out. Do you know just historically, do you know who is often considered to be, kind of be the Godfather of Richard Nixon? In political world, in the political realm, who got him at start? Who made him somebody? A guy named Prescott Bush. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No. No idea. ⁓ really? Okay. Well.

Moore To Consider: Granddaddy to 43, daddy to 41, who was a US Senator. And he kind of got Nixon his start. know, Nixon, he comes out of World War II. He's in the house with Jack Kennedy, both elected in 46. And then he's vice president in 53. He's like I said the other day, he's a fairly young man. He's 40, 40 when he becomes vice president. Is that right? Yeah, I think so. He's born in, yeah, he's like 40 years old. So. He has the meteoric rise and it's been said it's Prescott Bush. So when I say somebody's in somebody's orbit, that's kind of what I'm talking about. If Nixon, when he's getting impeached, like Bushes, I don't know anything about him. I've never heard of them. The Bush kid that's the one now that's going to be president 41 who's with the CIA, I've never heard of him. Prescott is dead. No bullshit. He was a Bush-ee. He had a connection to the Bush family. I don't know what the exact, I'll do the research.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Okay, I mean.

Moore To Consider: I, I, maybe I spoke at a turn. What I have heard is in the political streams of the major families. And let's face it, there's major families, the Bushes, the Clintons, there are, have been in the last five, six decades. Kennedys were certainly important, right? You ran in certain orbits. If you were, if you ran in the circles, if you're going to be in positions to run for president or be a vice presidential nominee, you got to be somebody connected. I've heard the connection with Pence. And they convinced Trump that this was the right guy to go with. Now do I think he was in there spying for the Bush family? But after Bush 41 loses to Clinton, what do they become? Best friends, right? And then after Bush beats Gore and Bush has eight years, who becomes his best friend? Barack and Michelle Obama. They're loving some Obamas, right? So you got a string. You got Bush to Clinton to Bush to Obama.

Charles Hundley Jnr: friends. Yeah. well yeah. That's... Hold on. Hold

Moore To Consider: And everybody loves everybody. Fair? But who do they all hate? Who do they all hate?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, that's no, I understand, all the political people love themselves and they hate the outsiders. That's my point. So regardless of whether

Moore To Consider: That's right. That's right. So why is it so hard to believe that Pence might've been a bush plant? Don't you think he was an insider?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, no, that's I'm not saying the reason I say what is a bush plane? mean, it wasn't so much. Maybe I shouldn't ask that question. All I'm saying is. The people who are on the inside, it's kind of like that ⁓ George Carlin thing, it's all a big club and you're not in it. Well, Trump wasn't in it. Didn't matter to them. Yeah. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: We've established that man. You've said that. I totally agree that he was, it's absolutely without question, he wasn't in on it or he wasn't an in member. So everybody, I'm just saying, could he have made a choice for vice presidential nominee, not of the establishment class? And then the question would be, was Pence of the establishment class?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, right, and that's why none of them. No, I-I-I'm sandwiching- I agree, I'm sure he was, but my point, really the point of this podcast is who are the people that are turning their backs on him when it comes to support and why? I believe that Congress is not wanting to support them in the same numbers as before because they're feeling the heat from their own constituents. because of what's going on as I said about the guy that I ran into this morning at the grocery store. He was a supporter for the guy three times, but he's questioning right now the support based on what's going on. And I'm sure that a whole bunch of elected representatives, especially at the federal level, are hearing the same thing. And they're like, OK, am I going to allow this dude to drag me down also? Well, technically got something to do with it. I you could do something about it right now, but that's another story. Am I going to allow him to drag me down or am I going going to say, okay, I'm going to start putting up a resistance myself. That's what it seems like to me. Because if I were an elected official, congressman or senator or whatever, and I kept having my constituents, you know, call with me or send an email saying, hey, why don't you do anything about ⁓ the cost of living or so on and so forth? And my first my first ⁓ response would be Well, I guess this war isn't exactly helping like they thought it was because that's what it keeps keeps coming back to and people are asking why why we're doing this.

Moore To Consider: All right. Here's some other, I did a, I did a quick search and just like, you know, what's the basis for the argument? He's a Bush plant. And again, it's going to be slanted, whoever you're asking or wherever you get the information, it says he's independent of the Bush family. He made a political career on his own. Okay. I'll take it. I don't know. I just, I've heard that argument and it's sometimes from people who weren't particularly fond of them, especially in kind of what it appeared to be taking shots at Trump after everything happened with the 2020 election. So. I'm just saying, just thought just to establish the record here or finish, I just thought at that funeral, he looked awfully chummy with the Clintons to be the guy that has to know that the Clintons had attempted to do to his boss, what they tried to do. I get it. They're connected. They're all, they all run the same circle. They all go to the same garden parties. I get it. I get it. Okay. That's been established. Now let's go ahead and get down to brass tacks.

Charles Hundley Jnr: He doesn't care because the ball is not in the circle. Yeah. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: There's an argument that Trump still has some sway, but there's also an argument that people are starting to move away. And I just saw a thing recently, Spencer Pratt has apparently really moved in the polls in the LA mayor's race. And he's running as an independent to my knowledge. think he is running as an independent. And I think something came out. Well, I heard something that came out.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes, I've heard about that.

Moore To Consider: Was that there was an idea that Trump had said something public like that's my boy. That's, that's the kind of guy I want to see in a major city like that. And Pratt said, or his people said, don't want your support. This don't want it. Just, you know, keep your mouth shut as far as I go. Keep, my, keep my name out of your mouth, whatever. So it was kind of like, damn. Would six months ago or would 18 months ago.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Make sense? Make sense?

Moore To Consider: Anybody in Pratt and I think Pratt's got a really important point here. He's the guy burned out of his house. There are people that he could say you're, you're an inadequate leader. You weren't prepared for certain things in me and a lot of other people like me living a really hellscape land. LA has become this really terrible place and you're responsible enough to run on right there. Cause I think he's getting a lot of, he's doing like a really good job as far. All right. You got the face. What's the face about?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, yeah, I have to say that remember the person that Bass ran against?

Moore To Consider: I don't know if it'll be successful. I'm saying it's enough to run on. If you're burned out of your house and you're blaming a mayor that might be complicit in that, that's enough to run on. It may not be enough to put her out of office, but go ahead.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Remember the guy who Bass beat? This guy was a business owner.

Moore To Consider: the guy that told him everything that was going to happen before it happened.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Not just that, but he had put into place all the protections for his own buildings and everything like that.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, that's what I said. He basically said everything that was going to happen was prepared for it.

Charles Hundley Jnr: And none of those buildings burned down and he still lost. Yeah, so yeah, it's absolutely unbelievable.

Moore To Consider: Yep. Yep. Right. I know it's unbelievable. ⁓ I'm not saying Pratt necessarily is going to win. What I'm saying is he doesn't need Trump. He does not need Trump in LA.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, why do you say he doesn't need Trump? What do you mean by that?

Moore To Consider: What on earth, all right, you don't think most all Cali, we, we pissed and moaned the other night when we talked about Gavin Newsom and what he means to the whole equation. Would you not think in California politics right now, just, just, just give me a straight up, what you think. You think that Trump is a particularly popular character?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, no, he's not. And I think we're going in the same direction.

Moore To Consider: Okay. Then what would be the point if you're Spencer Pratt and you're running on, I got burned out of my house, just like a lot of you did. And it's these people's responsibility because they didn't do what they were supposed to. Hi, I'm Spencer Pratt. I'm running on, I got burned out of my house. If somebody raised their hand and say, Hey, get Trump involved too. I would think like, why the hell would Trump put me over the top? Nobody in California likes Trump.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. No, we're agreeing. I was asking that question for just to make sure that we're going down the same path, which we are. Yes, we're going down the same path. Yeah. So technically Trump would be an albatross around his neck. Technically. Yes, he could actually be a hindrance to ⁓ his candidacy. No, no. No upside whatsoever.

Moore To Consider: Okay. ⁓ I didn't hear it that way, but okay, all right. Yeah, I think it would be totally ineffective. Absolutely. There's no upside. There could be potential downside, but no upside. And I think even Trump coming out and saying like, Hey, I kind of like what that guy's doing out there. What he's running against. Like, shut up, shut up. If you want me to win, just shut up. Now. Yeah. I just don't think there's a lot of mag in LA.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes, shut up. Yes. Well, that's no, it's not a lot of mega, but it, I, the number of mega is quickly diminishing. And I remember that polls a while back and it was a hundred percent of mega Republicans that supported what Trump was doing. Okay. That's fine. The polls should have been of people who voted for him in the past election. The entirety of the people. Because a lot of people who were MAGA is like, not anymore. So they're not polling those people any longer. They're only polling people who still consider themselves MAGA, which probably 100 % of them or close to 100 % of them are in support. ⁓ gosh, yes, they're dwindling. They're definitely dwindling.

Moore To Consider: But you're saying the numbers are dwindling. Yeah, the numbers are dwindling. Yeah. All right, let me read from, let me just read from something real quick and then we're going to get our response here. Right now, Trump is still considered a very strong, in very strong control over the modern Republican party, especially in primaries. Republicans are openly, Republicans who have openly opposed him have often been punished politically. Many GOP candidates still seek his endorsement. Recent races in Louisiana and elsewhere show that Trump backed candidates remain powerful inside the party. However,

Charles Hundley Jnr: And a lot of this.

Moore To Consider: There are signs his grip is weakening over time. Some Republican senators and governors are starting to distance themselves on issues about foreign policy spending and electability. Polling has shown concern among voters about inflation, the wars overseas, and the economy, which could all hurt Republicans in the midterms. Historically, presidents often lose influence if their party performs badly in midterm elections. The GOP also has younger factions competing for the future direction of the party. Some fully aligned with what Trump has become. Others are more traditionally conservative, which I think is the issue. I think there's a lot of people, I think some of them are young, but I think more of them are older, that want to go back to what they think was a party of Reagan and Bush and whatever, and even McCain, but not this Trump character. So short answer, in the near term. Trump probably keeps control of the GOP base and primary system in the longterm. That control could weaken if the Republicans start losing elections consistently. Now the big one's going to be the fall. And I looked it up. Right now it's 40, 53, 53, 53 Republicans, 45 Democrats, two independents that caucus with the Democrats. So what's going to happen? The forecast is mixed. ⁓ I, and you know what I was saying earlier, I don't know if it's going to so much matter if, ⁓ that number has to be reached for a removal has to be 67. I don't know. I just wondered, I just kind of wonder if this thing goes really south, if the war situation or the foreign policy situation continues to feed high gas, gas prices and inflation and all the rest. will the Republicans throw him overboard?

Charles Hundley Jnr: So that's the other point I wanted to bring up.

Moore To Consider: Right.

Charles Hundley Jnr: how other countries are essentially telling him to kick rocks. He's going to the EU and saying, hey, you know, you get a lot of your oil through here and so on and so forth. And they're like, yeah, well, you should be contributing to this. Why? Because what? You decided to start a war that none of us want to be involved with and now you want us to get involved with it? That's not helping. Same thing with China. He's asking China. so interesting to hear that. Well, we made a deal with China and China's like, I don't know what you're talking about. We didn't make any deals with you and you're over here asking us for help. think Xi Jinping said, well,

Moore To Consider: Mm Right.

Charles Hundley Jnr: You want to help you to open the strait. The strait was open before you started this war. So why don't you just leave? Maybe that will solve the problem. Just leave. So to even say that to the Americans is a lot. Well, Russia said the same thing. Come to find out and when it asks for Russia's help, too. Russia is like, you must be out of your mind. You know, my people being killed in Ukraine by weapons that you supplied them. No. And you want me to help again. Straight was open before you started all this. You didn't have to do it, but you did it. You didn't ask anybody for any any assistance or for their permission. So go kick rocks. I just, you know, I follow. I'm really big in aviation and I saw something on Twitter slash X this morning. where it was a so you can go to certain websites or apps and you can put in an aircraft tail number and that aircraft tail number it will pull up all the information pretty much you know where it's gone past several months or whatever. Sometimes you can just run into a military aircraft or you can configure it to only filter a certain type of aircraft. So if you're looking for let's call it a KC-135 which is a tanker.

Moore To Consider: Right.

Charles Hundley Jnr: And that tanker, I don't want to get too detailed in this, that tanker is based off of an old, I think it's a Boeing 727 aircraft that pretty much doesn't fly anymore. The only people that fly it is a military that uses it for tanker purposes. So if you were to go in and put that in a filter, you can see where all of them are flying because they're having to the transponder and on and so on and so forth. It's a whole bunch of aviation gobbledygook. But anyway, they're leaving the Middle East and they're going back to their home bases. If you remember. couple of months ago there was the story of all of them going towards the Middle East. Now there's a story of them leaving the Middle East. So people are starting to speculate, okay maybe this is the start of a withdrawal and Trump just, I'm gonna say throwing his hands up because you know he's still gonna make some sort of spectacle out of it. I saying that okay you know what maybe we're gonna have to leave because nobody's gonna support us. and we can't do anything to solve this problem, which I would love to see.

Moore To Consider: When I heard a commentator the other day to say they think he's literally getting bored. That he totally miscalculated this and it was going to be boom, boom, boom. I'm a hero. Move on the next thing. Get, you know, get the East wing done or something, you know, it's going to be boom, boom, boom. Then when it didn't, he's looking at people going like, why is this not happening the way I was, know, and well, sir, it's more complicated. I don't want complicated, you know, and it became more of a.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Okay.

Moore To Consider: I don't want this to continue to go in this fashion. Well, it is going in this fashion. So, ⁓ he's going to be all about saving face. I would think, and I think reasonably so. So do you think there's a way he could start trying to end us involvement in this? Like next week? And we've talked about this. I don't know that on May 17th is the date that we are.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah.

Moore To Consider: recording this, I still don't see by October, there's going to be enough of a shift probably in petroleum costs and the rest that he's going to really gain anything from it. Like, he get enough movement in the economy, inflation, gas prices, et cetera, to turn the midterms? I don't think he can. And people early vote, you know all the rest. So he needs to get out, but is it going to work?

Charles Hundley Jnr: It says it's to take at least 18 months. No. No. So this is this is the thing about us being the number one oil producer in the world. So. It's the oil that we produce that's the issue. It's cheaper for us to produce the oil here and send it out somewhere else to be refined. And we have to pump our oil. The oil in the Middle East for the most part is what they call artesian oil. you ⁓ drive a stake into the ground and the oil comes out. It's almost like it's under pressure. So it's really easy to get and it's a very, it's a more desirable type of oil. I think I've mentioned this before, I was in Cuba last year and on my way to a certain part of the island, a resort area, we drive by a oil refinery. I'm like, wait a minute. I didn't know.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: that you guys had oil here in the tour. I was like, yes, we're oil producing country. And you can smell it in a lot of places in Cuba. I thought I was smelling something else, but then I realized after seeing that refineries, like, oh, I'm smelling raw oil. That's what it is. Well, the thing is the oil is such a low quality. They can't use it for anything other than plastic. It takes too much time and effort to refine it to be able to burn in a car or something like that. Well, anyway, our oil isn't the same type of crude that they have in the Middle East. So we can pump all the oil we want. The problem with it is we can't refine it. And some of those refineries, some of the largest ones on the planet just got destroyed. So it's going to take between 14 and 18 months for things to start to come back to normal.

Moore To Consider: ⁓ Right. So there are gas price things that are not going to be remedied next week. This is not going to happen. Right. So he's not going to be able to recover on the cost of that. And the cost of fuel drives every cost of everything else. So the inflation thing. So he's pretty much screwed to have the well. And you got to wonder, though, in the fall elections are a lot of people, especially running for like house seats and things like that.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, it ain't gonna happen. It's gonna be well into next year. Nope. everything.

Moore To Consider: Are they going to start to distance themselves from Trump now?

Charles Hundley Jnr: If I were someone in the house and I was, he's not running again, I might be running again. I think I would have to start petitioning for us to enact a War Powers Act.

Moore To Consider: Okay. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Really? But you know what they're going to say. ⁓ what our troops are there and so on and so forth. All the War Powers Act says is after 60 days, you have to come to us for more money. If we cut the money off, then the people have to come back. That's what they could do. But I don't recall it ever happening. Not that I know of.

Moore To Consider: Right. Right.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, this is something that Congress could do to save, or should I say, not let it get any further, because we're coming up to that 60 days.

Moore To Consider: Don't you think the Democrats would not be on board with that? Because if the Democrats helped the Republicans in doing that, it would have in effect ended. Don't you think the Democrats wanted to continue?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Probably that's a great point. They probably would for optics. But, but I guarantee you they're getting the same phone calls that the Republican Republicans are getting right now from the constituents, such as you need to do something about this. Okay, how you do it? You need to do something about it. So I don't know, man. That's

Moore To Consider: Yeah, absolutely. Right. Yeah. I don't know if it's something went to a vote, how they could possibly not. They can't go in there and vote to keep the war going. Even if they have these sinister reasons to do so, because it makes Trump look bad. Because their own, like, wait a minute, wait a minute. You guys have been bitching and moaning about this intervention for months, and now you got an opportunity to end it you're saying no. I mean, they can't openly vote against trying to stop Trump. and bring the troops or bring the military apparatus home.

Charles Hundley Jnr: So this is an interesting, probably because we're coming up to that time, probably need to close on this one. I believe that there is a person that would bring it up and excuse me, his congressional race is turning into the most expensive congressional race of all time. And that's for Thomas Massey.

Moore To Consider: You think there's a person that's running for the house that has reason to try to bring to the Congress, let's go after them on the War Powers Act and make sure that we can push, ahead. You gave me the face.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Thomas Massey. not exactly after him, but Thomas Massey does what's constitutional. More than anybody that's walking in

Moore To Consider: Well, but it's still, it would still be on Trump, which I can certainly understand why he would want to. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ exactly why he would want to because Trump is actively campaigning against them right now. It is absolutely ridiculous. So.

Moore To Consider: I know, which I think is ridiculous. Yeah. But you and I, I actually talked to a friend the other day who's kind of a mega wearing cap guy. You know, he's that guy. He's that guy. he, he shorthands a lot of Fox news talking points type great guy. And I said something about, yeah, I got to say one of my people, favorite people ever in Congress this time. had that Thomas Massie. goes, he's a nut. He's what he's letting down. Well, he's actually read the constitution. He's an MIT graduate. think he's a walking genius, but what part of him is he goes, now he's just nutty as a fruitcake. So it's like the guy who actually reads the constitution and knows what's in it, he's the nutty guy. But that was a very Trumpian type of dismissal of the guy.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes, it is. All right. No, I agree with you 100%. It is, which makes it even more likely if there's anybody that's going to do it, it's going to be him. Yes. So he being a constitutionless, that's one reason for him to do it. But also you're campaigning against me to help support a person who is being funded by the people that I consider the problem.

Moore To Consider: Well, I know you and I agree on that because we both like Nancy. That would be him. Yeah, I get it. I dig it.

Charles Hundley Jnr: There's really no reason for Massey not to do it. And as you said, can you imagine if he brings this up? The only thing I can come up with is there's enough people who are being paid by the same group that would do whatever they could do to ensure that it never reached the floor for a vote. Because they for sure don't want to be caught voting against it. Yeah. I think I think dude is is is he's cooked, honestly, and and the people who are supporting him, as you said earlier, there's more and more people that are that are, you know, doing that. If you've ever seen the meme of Homer Simpson just gliding back into the ⁓ into the the bushes, that's what a lot of them are doing right now.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and in the opening of the show, I just want to make this point one more time as we close. I think when you have, and I don't know how much we can really find any... mean, historically, political figures historically are quite like Trump. I don't know if there's ever been any, but if you're the guy who goes in and disrupts a party to create a new party in essence, you draw from certain demographics that always voted for the other party, and then you reignite some people maybe that voted for you in the past, whatever he did, he definitely changed the face of the party, but he changed it to his face. And there really is nobody to follow. I don't think there's anything that can follow it. He has been very clear that no, I am the party. I am the party. So, you know, and it makes you really think, and I thought about this moments ago and hadn't brought it up yet, but it really does make you think about what Charlie Kirk may have been in the future. And where would Charlie Kirk be today? all this stuff happened post his death, he was a rising star.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes.

Moore To Consider: You know, we all know that. And he had a lot to do with influencing the youth to vote for Trump. And you wonder kind of where would he be today with this? And could he have been one of those type of figures? Cause well, six months ago, eight months ago, people would have said it was Tucker Carlson. People were literally talking about is Tucker Carlson ever going to run for president? Is he the kind of guy that could follow on the Trump train? Now they're at odds. Everybody's at odds with Trump.

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ yeah, yeah. Yes. Right. Right. All for one reason. It's support for someone who's not us and that support seems to be prioritized over the issues that we have here.

Moore To Consider: Well, this war or this police military action. Yeah. But you would not have thought in fall of 2024 as election night, all it will, one that Charlie Kirk would be dead, that Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens and all, know, all these people that seem to be podcast influencers that now all these people are fighting on, but they're all out of Trump's graces, good graces, right? Sort of. So with all that, I mean, would you have really thought that, that, The divide between Tucker Carlson and Trump would have been that great, that fast. For over the subject matter, I guess you could say you would have. Yeah. Over the subject matter. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ Yes, yeah, that's because I'm in the same boat with Tucker and Candice and a whole bunch of other people. We would have never guessed that over the past five years.

Moore To Consider: But we didn't see it coming. We didn't see it coming.

Charles Hundley Jnr: he had been saying one thing and then all of a sudden just a 180 flip and it's like okay that doesn't make any sense why are you doing this and then you'll have a legitimate answer for it yeah anyway

Moore To Consider: Right, right. All right. So that's been our, think that, um, the Republicans really could take it in the shorts when it comes to the midterms. The numbers I just saw projection wise, the 43, I don't know why keep saying 43, I mean 53, the 53 Senate Republicans could be 52, 51 are the projections. There's probably going to be a loss of some, but they're going to maintain control.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes.

Moore To Consider: I think the House is a done deal. think the House is a done deal. The Democrats will win. So the Democrats will keep bringing impeachment proceedings. And then we got to see, you know, and if it's 47, 48 people on the voting on the Democrat side, even possibly 49, they'll be for removal. Then the question would be, you got to get 17 more, 18 more, eight to eight, something like 18 Republicans to join that.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. Yep. ⁓ Honestly, I'm not even really concerned about removal. I'm really not. It is just going to be the ⁓ brick wall that are going put up to anything actually getting done. Yeah. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: ⁓ that's a given. That's a given. He gets nothing more done. But I do think that there, I do think there's a possibility, unlike everything that happened in 2019, I think there's a possibility that some people in Republican party are going to look at this and say, you know what, them Dems have brought another one. And there are some things here that in good conscience, I could say yes, because I've made this point and we will close down. People don't often understand. What was Andrew Johnson impeached for? violation of the Tenure of Office Act. The Congress got together and over his veto passed the Tenure of Office Act. You tell people, like, what did that mean? They literally passed a law that said if he changed, if Johnson, Andrew Johnson, who's followed the death of Lincoln, if he changed members of his own cabinet without consent of the Republicans, the radical Republicans in Congress, that he was in violation of this law.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Okay, right, no,

Moore To Consider: So I was on this board in 1998, we went to Norfolk State, I was with a buddy of mine, and we were arguing over the Clinton thing, and the head of the Democrat party at that time in Norfolk said, well, we all know that there's nothing impeachable on Bill Clinton here. There's no way. This is just prior to the impeachment proceedings. And I'm like, well, sure there is. I think it was Gerald Ford said, you can impeach a president for wearing the wrong color tie. And the guy laughed at me. I was, you know, newly out of law school and I said, okay, let me ask you something. If the Democrats get together and vote out articles of impeachment and they get sufficient numbers to vote for those articles and it goes to the Senate for trial, is that an impeachment? Well, you're, you're, you're bringing up ridiculous. I say, is it an impeachment? If they make it up and say wrong color tie and they get enough votes, it's pretty much what happened in 2019 with the Ukraine call. Right. And he won't concede it. But then I thought, okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. Yep.

Moore To Consider: What did you have with Johnson? After Johnson was told we've passed his tenure of office, he goes, screw you. And I think he wanted to get Stanton out of secretary of state and he wanted Ulysses as Grand Anne or whatever, but he defied their orders and they impeached him over it. And then in Kennedy's book, Profiles and Courage, I had a copy here. ⁓ here it is. One sec. Here's my copy of it actually, it's the old paperback, but in profiles in courage, John F. Kennedy, this was ghostwritten by Ted Sorensen, but John F. Kennedy supposedly, or famously talked about Edmund G. Ross, who was a Kansas Senator Republican. And he said, I looked into my political open grave and voted to not remove Johnson because he thought it was the wrong thing to do. He was supposedly the deciding vote. He almost came very close to being removed. Guess what happened 20, 25 years later on the Tenure of Office Act?

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ it's found my constitutional. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: It was found unconstitutional. United States Supreme Court said, Hey, Congress can't tell the president who he can hire and who he can fire within his own cabinet. But point I made to that gentleman that night, if they had voted for removal, sufficient votes for removal, would Andrew Johnson had been any less removed because the Supreme Court doesn't overturn this law for 20 years? Would he have been removed?

Charles Hundley Jnr: All Yes.

Moore To Consider: ⁓ yes. And then where would his appeal to have been to?

Charles Hundley Jnr: There is no work appeal. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: Exactly. There is no appeal and who actually presides over the impeachment proceeding? Supreme court chief justice. So I made that point. Who do you really appeal to? You appeal to the electorate. So if they had removed bill Clinton, how would that have gone down for the Republicans?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Chief Justice of Supreme Court. Technically, you're appealing to the right. ⁓ it's been a mess. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: It was a mess anyway. It hurt the Republican party for a generation because that was a very unpopular move, especially over what they thought was just sex and all this. Now he lied and the Paula Jones, a deposition, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's suborned perjury, whatever. He lost his law license and all, but politically it was not popular with the American people that they did all this against him. It was an overplay and it cost the Republican party for a while. I just say all that to say they're going to impeach Trump. And it may be over something ridiculous, but all they had to do is vote it out, get it to the Senate, get a trial. And I'm not so sure closing on this. I'm seeing is I'm not sure there won't be enough Republicans like, look, he's lame duck. He's done. We got young JD Vance. He'll take over for the time being. We need to restructure this party. We got to drive as far away from Trump as we possibly can. Best time now, get rid of him now. and give Vance two years towards this next election.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, because technically, yeah, the Republicans have zero to lose, nothing to lose. They're already out of power. They're already out of power. He's a lame duck president because they're out of power. They have nothing to lose, nothing. So I agree with you. I agree.

Moore To Consider: You see what I'm saying? I think it's possible. by getting rid of them. Yeah. Yeah, I think in that sense, I'm not, I'm not by the way, anybody listening to this, all the people that do listen to this, I'm not advocating that position. I'm just saying that those that think that he is, is that the votes the Republicans have make him in a position where he will not be removed. I don't buy that. think that there may be enough. If it takes 17 Republican senators, I think you could scrounge up 20. They're like, we got to reshape the party. He is driven our party. You can't think that one third. or just roughly a half, but maybe a third of the Republicans aren't pissed off enough at him. Yeah. And they've just been holding, they've been keeping their powder dry this far because it hasn't been the smart thing to do to take them on because of what he's done. But he's pissed off enough people in the party. I think there's plenty of people that want him out. All right, brother. Anything else you'd like to say on the way out?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, they probably are. All right. Yep. That's true. I'm good, bro. I'm good.

Moore To Consider: All right. This is more to consider. Please like and subscribe. Please share with others and leave comments for Charles to read. Love you, brother. Bye man. Talk to you soon.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes, I will. Love you too, Bye.