Trump, Netanyahu & The God Factor: Inside the Middle East Power Struggle

Moore To Consider: Welcome to Moore to Consider, Jack and Charles. Charles, how are you?

Charles Hundley Jnr: I'm doing fantastic today.

Moore To Consider: Okay, you are my source of what are we going to talk about next? And you got another nugget here that I find interesting. Now you say the Daily Mail News is British. Okay. So here's a little article from June 1. We're recording on two June, and this was one June. Details of Trump's ex explicative

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. Yes.

Moore To Consider: Laden phone call with Netanyahu revealed as president pushes to broker peace deal. Now, according to some sources, supposedly independent sources that rate this stuff, they're like, they may not be totally accurate most of the time. But again, if you're right leaning, there's going to be plenty of sources. I'm just making an observation. There's probably going to be plenty of sources lean left to say, ⁓ well, you never tell the truth. So we don't know anything about this, other what we're going to report and discuss. So this is what the article said. Donald Trump reportedly called Benjamin Netanyahu effing crazy in a phone call just before the president announced a halt of fighting between Israel and Hezbollah. The president announced on Truth Social that the Israeli prime minister turned his troops around instead of conducting a major raid on Lebanon Monday. He added that both the Trump added that both the Israeli military and Hezbollah. Aligned militia groups agreed to stop shooting at one another. However, Trump issued a note of hopeful skepticism. Let's see how long that lasts. Hopefully it will be for eternity. Before the statement the pair reported, Trump and Netanyahu reportedly had a tense exchange during a phone call regarding the escalating conflict in Lebanon between Tel Aviv and Hezbollah. A source told Axios. That at one point Trump bluntly asked Netanyahu, What the F are you doing? Trump eventually went off on the prime minister directly stating that Netanyahu would be jailed without him. You're F and crazy. You'd be in prison if it weren't for me. I'm saving your ass. Everybody hates you now. Everybody hates Israel because of this, he reportedly said. Two sources told the outlet that Trump accused. Netanyahu of being ungrateful to him, and that making good on threats to bomb Beirut would make things worse for Israel. First, Brother Charles, you think that rings true that that could have happened?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. It could have happened, but the question is what was it genuine. If you remember back in, was it last year, Trump was outside the white house after Netanyahu and Israel had bombed someplace, maybe Lebanon again, and Trump dropped the F bomb. You remember that?

Moore To Consider: I think I remember something about it, yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: And he was saying that neither one of them knew what the F they were doing. Okay. So this kind of sounds the same. He, he definitely seemed a little upset that time. I'm sorry. Yeah. Trump. Yes. Trump seemed a little upset that time. Is that the case this time? I'm not exactly sure. Um, but if you think about it, this is really hurting Trump's legacy.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I do remember that. Yeah. Hi, Trump. He Trump, yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Because if he legitimately is trying to make a peace deal or at least cease fire, really we should call it that. And every time they get to that point, either Israel shoots missiles into the hotels that the negotiators are in and then the negotiators say, we're not coming back. We're not going to do negotiations in person any longer because of this. Trump even said something about that one time where he said, they were like, so where the negotiations happening? He's like, I'm not going to say.

Moore To Consider: Right. Right.

Charles Hundley Jnr: where it's happening for the fact that they can end up getting killed because it happened twice before then. Well, this time they're really making it hard for Trump because every time he gets to a point where we're almost there, we're almost there, we're almost there, it seems like Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin and ⁓ Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz and a whole bunch of other people like, no, we can't have that. ⁓ Hey, Bibi Netanyahu.

Moore To Consider: Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: go and launch more missiles into Iran, mean Lebanon. And that's what keeps happening. So the Iranians like, look.

Moore To Consider: You think they're w you think they're directing him to do so, the crews, Shapiro and that group?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, I was kind of being facetious about some of it.

Moore To Consider: I know. I know. I know I didn't know if you had some information where they actually did do some of that. I don't yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, remember that Levin has pretty much had a direct line to Trump. And I look at Ted Cruz, I bet he has a direct line. Well, Mike Huckabee was ⁓ nominated by him.

Moore To Consider: Sure. No, I think all of them have I th the the way I understood what you were saying though, it was they were telling Net Yahoo start lobbing some stuff. It was more directly to him.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, honestly, I wouldn't put it past them to do that. They seem to be more Israel first than America first anyway. Why not? Yeah.

Moore To Consider: Well, okay, that's another whole discussion. I don't disagree. Well, here's a little bit more. I I missed a little bit here. The sources hinted that Trump's rage was driven by belief that Israel's actions were making it harder to forge a peace deal with Tehran. Netanyahu later appeared to cast doubt on Trump's claim of a ceasefire, saying that his country would strike Beirut if Hezbollah doesn't stop attacking Israel. I spoke this evening with President Trump and told him if Hezbollah does not cease attacking our towns and our citizens, Israel will strike terrorist targets in Beirut. Netanyahu said, according to a statement released by his office, the Daily Mail has reached out to both the White House and Netanyahu for further comment. Iran's top negotiator on Monday stopped exchanging messages with the US through Pakistani intermediaries as Tehran. vowed to fully shut down the Strait of Harmuz, according to the Iranian, Iranian state affirmed news outlet. The reports claim Iran cut off communication because it believes one of the pre preconditions for the ceasefire was a halt to the IDF's continued attacks on Hezbolla allies in Lebanon. All right, I think I'm just about done here. The regime says no dialogue will take place until Israel fully withdraws from Lebanon and also stops its attacks in Gaza. Also the resistance front and Iran have resolved to completely block the Strait of Armouse and activate other fronts, including the Babal Mandab Strait, in order to punish the Zionists and their supporters, a regime official said. All right, so that's the rest of the story from that article. But again What I want to ask on your take, because you study this a lot and you've got a greater grasp of this than anyone I know, what do you think really is the relationship between Trump Netanyahu?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Wow. If you had asked me this question six months ago, I would have had a different answer than what I have now. This is a case of, I personally believe that Trump is being led around by his ego that is turning him into a useful idiot. Honestly, that's the only thing I can come up with now because it's kind of like the guy who

Moore To Consider: Okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: nudges his friend, like, man, yeah, you can, how can I put it? Like as a kid, memories, you're a kid and you're out riding your bicycles and there's a ramp that you want to jump. And then you got that one guy that's kind of afraid. And it's like, yeah, go ahead, man. You can do it. You can do it. Yeah, trust me. You can do it. Or on the other end of the spectrum, we know this is going to be a failure and I want you to...

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm. That was me. That was me.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I want you to fail so we can laugh at you or which is happening right now with Trump in Israel or Netanyahu. We want you to do all your dirty work, do all of our dirty work for us. Remember Netanyahu said, we're not putting any boots on the ground in Iran. The United States is going do that for us. What? I don't quite understand what you mean. What the hell does that have to do?

Moore To Consider: Right.

Charles Hundley Jnr: with us, nothing that that's your enemy, not ours. And don't try to make it our enemy. We don't have to. We don't have a shared. ⁓ We don't have a shared interest in this. We just don't. Anyway, so I believe that Trump has been led around by his ego. Of saying that, yeah, man, you could be the only one that you could be the one that finally got it done and they would love you for this for eternity and so on and so forth. And Trump's hand. Yeah, I think you're right. I'm going to go ahead and do this without thinking it through.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, you expressed that angle before, and I hear you, brother. I I hear you on that, but I also, just as an observer, sometimes I feel like I see, and I don't know, because this could all be enacted. I don't know. But sometimes it's like, I feel like, okay, I did what you wanted me to do, Netanyahu. All right. I d I did some of the things you want. I got a midterm coming. I got some things I gotta do. I gotta shut this down. I'm getting a little bit of some, I'm getting a little bit of friction back from the base or whatever. And just about the time something happens, Netanyahu does another lob and bombs, right? I mean, it it's kind of seems, and then Trump's like, son of a bitch, didn't I tell you? Would you calm that shit down? Let me try to get a grasp on this. And then he starts to try to gain some ground again. And just about the time you think something's kind of, you know. getting maybe towards s stabilization, bam, he does it again. And it's like it's like that it kind of reminds me of the Chris Rock, how not to get beat up by the police and you have, you know, don't have the girlfriend yelling he's got weed in the car. You know that's what it it it kind of seems like. He's telling he's like she's like that girlfriend. He's got weed in the car. He's got weed in the car. Like you know how to shut her up, don't get beat up by the police. It it's like, I feel like he's just like he she's that

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. Yes. Right, exactly. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: Netanyahu's that girlfriend. Would you shut up? The cops are here. Stop that. Bad analogy, but you get the joke. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, it's a...have you ever seen the meme of the...it's a cartoon meme or drawing of a guy and he's trying to talk to a woman and he's like, hey, how are you doing? She's like, hi, I'm fine. And then the next next box or whatever is, sorry, some really ugly fat chick that's to her...saying to the guy she's not interested. Basically just buttoning away when clearly...

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: The woman is interested in the guy, but her ugly girlfriend doesn't want her to have anything to do with it because she's pretty much jealous. Well, I've seen these memes recently of Iran going, it's like a guy with a turban on and he's going to a person that's clearly Trump, he's got the orange hair and a MAGA hat on. And Iran, the Iranian guy saying, hey,

Moore To Consider: Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: How about peace? And Trump is saying, yeah, I think that's a good idea. And then the next box is Netanyahu saying, ⁓ he's not interested. That's kind of sort of what's happening here.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, yeah, we're saying the same thing. Yeah, it's yeah, but yeah, we're putting a spin on that's kinda a little bit more comical, but it's not because it's really important. But yeah, I don't know what again, I I I'm the observer, casual obs casual if you want to call it that. I'm watching and I'm listening to you talk about a lot of the the dynamics with this. But I do think I can see, as best we can tell with Trump, that there is some genuine pissed off. He's getting in positions where he's genuinely pissed off. And I again I could see it's where like, son of a bitch, I just about got this tamped down and I thought now another dynamic, and you and I have talked about it. ⁓ and I heard a commentator say it the other day, how long has Putin been in ⁓ power? Twenty two years, twenty four years? So it's it's it's a quarter of a century, right? And you had you had told me the other day, it's like the kind of thing like, hey, whenever I meet the presidents, there's always guys in other color suits. Like,

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yep, I know where you're going with this. Yeah?

Moore To Consider: The Navy and red tie guy, that's the president, but there's always these same guys every year, no matter who the president. And there you told me that. But there's another point's been made. Wasn't it something that came out that in Iran, the overall IQ is higher than the US? Like these aren't stupid people, right? These are bright people. Right. And that in that dynamic that has been discussed is they gotta be looking at like, hey, we've already gone from February to June and

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes, they're not stupid. ⁓

Moore To Consider: We've made noise and we haven't backed down from shit. Now, we know there's a midterm. And this cat's gonna be neutered come January. He's gonna be fighting impeachments all the time. So if we can just make it another six, eight months, who gives a shit what he says? And that's a dynamic of our presidency. No president serves for life. You know, you and I'm not I'm not advocating for that. But we have by the very nature of our structure, presidents.

Charles Hundley Jnr: All right.

Moore To Consider: That approach certain points of their administration. It's like, yeah, let's wait this out, wait it out till we get a new administration, or at least a guy who's lost control of the house.

Charles Hundley Jnr: That is interesting.

Moore To Consider: Well I mean it's the point, right?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, I agree with you.

Moore To Consider: Well, and it was it was a little bit of FDR's FDR, you know, John Nance Garner was the guy that was ninety-five on the day Kennedy was shot in sixty three, November twenty two. He was ninety five years old. He made the break from being vice president with FDR for running a third time. And that was in nineteen forty, like, you're gonna do what? There's a precedent that's been set. You don't run a third time. Well, he sees the entry to World War Two. And I think in his mind it was always, well, we can't change leaders midstream because we're getting ready to go into a w major war here. So we get into the war, and then it's here comes the election of 44. Now he's months from dying and he's in bad health, but it's like, well, we can't change horses now. I'll run for a fourth term. He wins that fourth term, dies, and then Truman is brought into a room and goes, Yeah, we got an A-bomb. I'm sorry, what? You know, yeah, all this stuff you don't know anything about.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mmm.

Moore To Consider: So we're going to put you in the position historically to end the big war. And he didn't know what the hell's going on because he's been left out in the dark the whole time. So there's a my point is there's a lot of structures in the way we, there's a lot of aspects to the structure of how our government's formed. And this has been said if you're a king and you got a lifetime appointment on the throne until somebody overthrows you, kind of thing, you can set foreign policy and they know 10 years from now they're dealing with you, potentially. But If there's elections and you can like say basically neuter a leader, the commander in chief, then why wouldn't they just say, we're not gonna do some kind of peace deal shit. If we wait eight months, we'll probably get a better deal. And let me say one more thing. Remember, there's a phone call you should listen to. It's kind of interesting. 68 election. Johnson's already seen the handwriting on the wall. March 31, he gives the speech. I'm not gonna run. You know, and then on April 4, Martin Luther King's assassinated. But right before that, he gives the national address to the country. I shall not seek, nor will I accept, the nomination of my party for president, because he knows everything's flaming out. And now he's trying to end the Vietnam conflict as far as American involvement. And apparently he gets word that Nixon's playing footsee with certain people in North Vietnam about, hey, wait it out. If I win, I'll give you a better deal. So there's a phone call. You can listen to it on YouTube. And you hear the secretary go, ⁓ Mr. President, got N Dick Nixon on line three. He goes, Dick, please tell me you haven't been out there running your mouth about, ⁓ no, Mr. President, I understand. I can't possibly be, you know, and he's pissed. So Lyndon Johnson's mad because he wants to go out and create a potential peace deal. And they say Nixon is telling, you know, members of decision makers in North Vietnam.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mm-hmm, okay.

Moore To Consider: No, no, no, wait around. I'm gonna win here in a couple of months. And if I win, you're gonna get a better deal out of me, which some have said is a treasonous act. You know, I mean, who knows? But Johnson clearly suspected Nixon of playing hanky panky and he calls him out on it. And Nixon's like, Well, absolutely not, Mr. President. I I'm totally for so this whole peace deal falls apart, basically. And some believe that Nixon did it on purpose because he wanted to come out of the 68 election. And he wanted to get credit for ending our involvement in Vietnam. Just another aspect of of the way once once Lyndon Johnson's like, I'm not running for re election, then everyone in Vietnam that could go to a peace table is like, Well, screw him. Let's let's see who the next guy is. And that's my that's my point.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mm-hmm. Right. Amen. It is, you know, I'm sitting, I'm looking up something right now that I find awfully interesting when it comes to people who've been in power.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: And it is awfully, awfully difficult to find a list that has more than 10 people on it. Awfully difficult. And the 10th person is always, ⁓ Vladimir Putin.

Moore To Consider: Explain that to me what you just said. You got you got him coming in ten on what list?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Actually, there's well actually I'm incorrect here. So it's the longest serving world leaders.

Moore To Consider: ⁓ gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha.

Charles Hundley Jnr: And because one of these guys, don't think Daniel or take us even still alive. Maybe this was like current. No, not current, but like modern. But Vladimir Putin has been in power for a total of 25 years.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's what I thought it was around about the whole the whole century.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, and it's, yeah, it's a long time. NetYahu has been in power for 20.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm. Now, wasn't he off and on though? Didn't he go out and come back? Okay. ⁓ okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, he did, but so did Putin. Yeah, he did too. ⁓ The thing about being in power and being, know, well, he was in power, so he's a dictator, been in power that long, so he's a dictator and all this other good stuff. No, I'm not going with that. And if you're to use that as reason to call somebody dictator, Netanyahu is not far behind him. He's just not. So. ⁓

Moore To Consider: Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking right now and it's Guinea nineteen seventy nine. I'm not even gonna try to pronounce some of these names, but Cam Cameroon, nineteen eighty two, Uganda, nineteen eighty six. ⁓ there are so there are some other countries there. We haven't yet gotten to Putin or any of these other leaders. ⁓ list of current state leaders, date of assumption of office. So you're you're finding

Charles Hundley Jnr: Right.

Moore To Consider: Well we got somebody sixty seven actually here, nineteen sixty seven. You've got ⁓ what you're seeing is you're ranking ⁓ Putin at like ten.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, actually, he's a little further down the line. I think it's 12 or 13. But remember, it's not when they assume the power. It's the total years in power.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm. I don't disagree. I don't disagree. But but clearly, back to kind of the point. ⁓ they got August ninth, nineteen ninety-nine, Vladimir Putin. But you're right. He's got breaks, I guess, and back and forth. All right. But still, the point we're making is valid. There's a feature in our government system that's always going to make leverage from the president tough. Because there's always the possibility it's kind of built in. Some would say that's a positive.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes.

Moore To Consider: And clearly it could definitely be a negative if you're trying to negotiate peace, trying to, you know, in these different situations where there's military andor just ⁓ tensions between nations, why not wait it out? Like I said, if if that's Iran's, if that is their strategy to wait it out, wait Trump out, shit, why wouldn't you?

Charles Hundley Jnr: That's well, you could say the same thing about ⁓ about Israel waiting Trump out.

Moore To Consider: Yes. ⁓ absolutely.

Charles Hundley Jnr: They've been waiting 40 years for this.

Moore To Consider: But well, you want to wait Trump out, but at the same time, you've gained more from his ⁓ administration than any other, wouldn't you agree? Yeah. So you I I think you want to maximize what you get out of him while you have the opportunity. And maximizing it is probably screwing with him having any potential peace deal.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I agree 100 % on that. Yeah, this is probably It's probably going to be their last chance because there's so many people turning against them.

Moore To Consider: So if Vance l let's go our route again. Let's say crazy, let's just go crazy. ⁓ Trump is impeached thirty-seven times within the calendar year twenty twenty seven. So he's just impeached beyond belief. And then eventually, eventually they get enough votes to oust him. You don't see Vance following in ⁓ Trump's footsteps relative to Israel. Probably right. Right. So who do you see in the Republican Party?

Charles Hundley Jnr: January 1st, Mm-hmm. He was against it from the start.

Moore To Consider: Other than like Ted Cruz, who else would you see that w well Lindsey Graham? But what about Rubio? Rubio would be on board with that as well?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. You know, there's some people that I was actually shocked by it, like Jim Jordan. He's for it. He's his supporter. But.

Moore To Consider: Being yeah. Do you think that's the evangelical side of him?

Charles Hundley Jnr: I think is when you look at who's donating.

Moore To Consider: Well, but we've talked about that dynamic, you know. Like I said, I have a friend that I would consider an evangelical Christian. And I was just talking a couple of years ago, and I'm not, you know, I'm not identifying who this person was, but I said something about like, yeah, you kind of wonder sometimes from a standpoint of strategy or whatever, the Israeli view, the Israel you better watch, you better ask Jesus right now for forgiveness. Or whoa, whoa, I've just I'm questioning the actions of a government. That is God's chosen people. She went down that road and it was like blasphemy to question any action taken by a government of a sovereign nation or what I was just like, no, I'm just questioning. I was just asking the question on something. It was like, nope, don't go there. And is that not an aspect of many churches in the United States? Right. And that's why I'm asking, is Jim Jordan, is that is that part of what's pushing Jim Jordan?

Charles Hundley Jnr: It is. And it's done by proxy. I it's possible man, it is possible.

Moore To Consider: Well well the well I was gonna the interview that ⁓ gosh, gosh, gosh, daughter used to do the thing with ⁓ used to be Trump's ⁓ press tech Huckabee. Isn't that kind of what Huckabee wasn't it with Tucker Carlson? Isn't that what he kind of said?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. Yeah, yeah, both him and T.A. Crew said it.

Moore To Consider: Yes. But I mean I thought that Huckabee was very much like Jesus tells me this is the position I'm supposed to take. Right. And I'm not and look, and I'm not trying to be disparaging of these people. I'm just saying. ⁓ you can. I'm I'm I'm just saying I think that people I do believe that there's people that have this heartfelt feel h heartfelt feeling that this is aligning with their views on their Christianity, on their salvation.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, right. Which is bananas. I am. Yeah, I am. And it's not. But they...

Moore To Consider: It may or may not be, but to them it may be. I'm just saying I the reaction I got from someone I knew well when I just said, Hey, is that really a position Israel wants to take? You better ask Jesus right now for forgiveness for even asking that question is kind of the response I got. And I was a little shocked. I was like, Okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Do you want me to go down the road about who Christians should ally with? ⁓

Moore To Consider: Is that the next show?

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, make this real quick, Actually, yeah. And I've asked, I think I even asked you this question. As a Christian, what religion would you think you would ally with or associate with the closest? Judaism or Islam? And most people, well, most people would say, hold on, man, hold on.

Moore To Consider: All right, go, go talk to me. Well, I know and and I you know Islam is what you're gonna say. Right. Now but I but I see the street yeah, but I see the street debates all the time with Christian evangelicals and they're sitting there saying that that, you know, the Quran is not this and it and then they'll argue about it and where is Jesus fitting all that. I don't know. I w that's a theological discussion that I'm not gonna die on okay. Well you can you c you can go that route. You c all right, go ahead. Go, go, go, go.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, I am. Okay, I hold on. Let me, let me finish though, man. Let me finish. Okay. And I hear them say, well, obviously Judaism, like, no, it's not. And all you have to do is read it for yourself. It's not. And don't take somebody's word for it. Go read it for yourself as to who you ally with. If you read the Quran, it clearly, clearly

Moore To Consider: Okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: puts Jesus on a pedestal. Clearly, they do not. Okay? This is one of these things, man, people like to tip-tour around this. I'm not gonna tip-tour around this one, man.

Moore To Consider: Okay. Okay, brother. Brother. Let me just say okay, brother. Okay. We're we're No, no, no, no. We're mixing streams. We're mixing streams. I don't look at whatever Israel is as founded as a country in 1948, however those aspects are. I see actions they take militarily, strategically, diplomatically, as a country. When someone yells at me, they can do no wrong in those choices because Jesus is going to be mad at me. You know, then I'm just saying, like, okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: In what way? No, I agree with you.

Moore To Consider: What are we talking about? Are we talking about the Israeli people, you know, God's chosen people 2,000 years ago in a biblical passage? Are you talking about as formed by the United Nations in 1948 or whatever that formation is? Right. So then going into another lane of let's just start battling out Islamic views versus Christian. I'm not, I'm not into that battle. I don't God bless everybody. They can think whatever they okay. Okay. All right.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Dude, I agree with you 100%. Oh, not you. No, no, I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about the person who you had that conversation with. With people like them.

Moore To Consider: ⁓ you're saying that they should more align with the Islamic world than than I I got you. Okay. Right.

Charles Hundley Jnr: If they, if they read the books themselves, they would see that, a second, I was told wrong. I'm literally supporting, I'm literally not supporting the people who I ally with when it comes to my own religion. That's the thing that really kills me. No, no, not, not that part. No, I understand. Neither am I, but what I'm saying is these people who say this, what she said.

Moore To Consider: Right. But I'm not looking to live in a theocracy of anybody's you know, no I'm just saying, but I'm not. I'm not.

Charles Hundley Jnr: That lets me know clearly she has not read either one of the books. She's just been told something. And unfortunately, if she read it herself, she would say, ⁓ I'm wrong. And they told me wrong. That's the thing that really gets me.

Moore To Consider: Okay. And therefore she changes okay, and therefore she changes maybe a suspect ⁓ action taken by Israel, the government.

Charles Hundley Jnr: But she's remember what she's doing and that's that's what ends up happening here. People put the two together and remember my Turkmenistan, you know, analogy that I use Turkmenistan is a brutal dictatorship and it's all it's a Muslim country. But just what happens in Turkmenistan doesn't mean that I'm going to associate all Muslims that way. I'm not going to do that. And people shouldn't do that with Israel and Jewish people. They shouldn't do that. They're not they're not one in the same. They're two completely separate things, technically. But what ends up happening is the people who support what Israel's doing always bring in religion and saying, if you criticize Israel, then you thereby criticizing Jewish people. No, no, no.

Moore To Consider: No, I agree with you that too. That and all and it I was innocently asking this. I can I imagine the comments and all the rest. When you said you were shocked somewhat that Jim Jordan, who seems to be rather slow pulsed and pretty, you know, thoughtful in other areas, ⁓ he's and then Ted Cruz. But all I was saying with Huckabee, I remember the glazed look that Huckabee got when Tucker's like, Okay, I read the Bible to say this entire Middle Eastern region. Is that what you're saying they're in for? And he's kind of like, ⁓ I I guess. You know, and it I I thought he was kind of a moment, but Huckabee seemed to be saying what drives my view of geopolitics is my view of Christianity, is what I was hearing. And that's okay if that's what he wants to do. But when you get into positions of, you know, and then the whole question is, is it a secular government? Blah, blah, blah, whatever the framers thought, I don't want to live in a theocracy. I don't. So

Charles Hundley Jnr: It's crazy. Yep. Yeah. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: I think the action that nations take can't be insulated from, ⁓ well, you're just a hater of this or you're a hater of that. It's like, no, countries make actions or take actions, and we ought to examine those relative to whether or not they're good, bad, in between, whatever. And we shouldn't, I don't I would be for leaders within our government not making choices based upon views they have of their theology.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I would agree with you 100%. That's that would be it should be the case, but they don't.

Moore To Consider: Al although I I now it but right, but I could also see, hey, in Bible school, I learned that Jesus said, give the loaf of bread or you know, give the fish, you know, whatever, or you know, when you meet the guy on the street, do on to others, all those kind of like things that you learn growing up in in Bible school. Okay, those are aspects of how you live your life, but they can't to me they can't be driving forces. Although I can see why maybe people in government think I've been called on a mission. This this I'm I'm living out my theocracy, you know, this is I get it. I yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. I understand. agree with you on both cases that people... I'll you an example of what you were saying about the teachings of Jesus. Not really getting into religion, but some people would say, well, if you don't believe that Israel is supposed to have all that land and you're a cafeteria Christian. That's what they would say. And that's what I and a lot of people have an issue with. It's like, wait a minute.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I don't disagree. Right.

Charles Hundley Jnr: We're talking about how you're supposed to treat your fellow man and now you're talking about taking over property. Those are two different things, you know.

Moore To Consider: Well, y and you know what? Okay. Ma I but see I have to leave open a lane that in the teachings of the Bible there might be an interpretation and somebody might think that they're right about this and maybe I could be convin whatever. But it's still I have to question what Israel are we talking about? Like Vody Bachman, who just passed away, you know, it I don't know where that came from. He just seemed like he was a pretty healthy guy and he's gone, but but I to leave open a lane in teachings of the Bible there might be an interpretation and somebody might think that they're right about this and maybe I could be convin whatever. But it's still I have to question what Israel are we talking about? Like ⁓ Vody who just passed away, you know, it I don't know where came from. He just seemed like he was a pretty healthy guy and he's gone, but

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, I agree with you. No, I agree with you.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, I went to him because I loved him and I thought, you know, he's an interesting cat, 56 years old, I think, when he passed. And he asks the same question. He goes, When people are talking about Israel, are they talking about Israel of the Bible 2,000 years ago, 20, you know, 5,000 years ago? Are they talking about as a country formed in 1948, you know, one are we talking about? And that's that's all I asked my friend. I'm like, when you say God's chosen people, Israel, whatever, are you speaking of? And she goes, Yeah, I went to him because I loved him and I thought, you know, he's an interesting cat, 56 years old, I think, when he passed. And he asks the same question. He goes, When people are talking about Israel, are they talking about Israel of the Bible 2,000 years ago, 20, you know, 5,000 years ago? Are they talking about as a country formed in 1948, you know, which one are we talking about? And that's that's all I asked my friend. I'm like, when you say God's chosen people, Israel, whatever, are you speaking of? And she goes, You just better drop to your knees and ask Jesus for forgiveness for even asking these questions, was kind of her response. And I'm like, right, I'm okay. You just better drop to your knees and ask Jesus for forgiveness for even asking these questions, was kind of her response. And I'm like, All right, I'm okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. Yeah. That didn't seem kind of like brainwashing. That didn't seem kind of like brainwashing.

Moore To Consider: Well was just scared of the reaction because I'm like, I don't know. I'm like, am I touching am I touching a third rail here? I don't you know. I Well I was just scared of the reaction because I'm like, I don't know. I'm like, am I touching am I touching a third rail here? I don't you know. I d yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: So it all goes back to the same... I don't want to get into this because we've gone over... ⁓

Moore To Consider: We haven't. I said to pull out five to ten minutes ago and do another show, but you said you're gonna stick with it. So anyway, I'm putting this one on you. Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. Schofield Bible is where all this comes from. Because it doesn't really say anything like that in the actual Bible. That's why I say read it yourself. Don't take what I'm saying as gospel. No pun intended. Go read it yourself and I guarantee you whole bunch of things that you thought were in there is not there. They just told you it was there and you have to believe what they say you're supposed to believe.

Moore To Consider: Sure.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I have a real big problem with that and a lot of our ⁓ world affairs are based off of what something thinks is there that's not. Yeah, it's just not. But, you know.

Moore To Consider: I can't disagree with that either.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, just be nice to people, know, treat them kind, treat them equal an equal. Don't steal a lot of cheaters, anything like that. ⁓ that stuff. And I think we humans would be a whole lot better off. Don't bring all the other stuff along with it. ⁓ It exactly make the philosophy of being a Kind person any better. It doesn't. ⁓

Moore To Consider: Sure. Well, again, my whole thing about the United States government constitutionally recognized if we're gonna commit troops or involve ourselves in things that could end up being military or escalate into military intervention or whatever, I can't send somebody's kid, like you know, like I've said before, Marge and Dave's kid from Topeka can't. I can't send him into harms way over what I think is an interpretation of the Bible or something.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Nope.

Moore To Consider: It has to be something that I think has a constitutional basis. Now it may align with somebody's beliefs. Maybe in the end it somehow aligns some kind of way, but I I think the framers were trying to set up a government where it was we will raise the state militias only times the military need for these purposes, repel invasions, insurrections as mentioned. But this whole running around all overseas, I wasn't a thought.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Right. Right.

Moore To Consider: That that it was really pretty much defend the shores. Now there is, and I've mentioned this, they had the issue with the Barbary Pirates. And Jefferson was perplexed. You know, we have these pirates on the seas and they're hitting American ships. And he was like, I don't know if there's a constitutional basis to do anything. Who'd he send? Sends the Marines. And what are the Marines? Pretty much the ground forces of the Navy. So you had a standing Navy. I made this point, you know, from the shores of Tripoli, that in the Marine Corps him.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Marines.

Moore To Consider: So I think his idea was, okay, we have American possessions on the high seas, international waters, but we have a problem. So who do we send? We send Marines. But it wasn't like full scale invasion. It it wasn't it wasn't 700 and some odd military installations in 130 countries. That wasn't the that wasn't the view of the founders. In post World War II, that's what we've ended up with. So I have a problem with that. Okay. Last word, Charles.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Alright. That's true. Yeah, I agree. w-we... We're just stuck in the middle right now. I shouldn't say stuck in the middle. We're involved in something that we really have no reason to be involved with based off of the ego of our president. And I think it was masterful for other countries or a country to stroke his ego to get him, us as Americans to do their dirty work. And he fell for it. And now he's starting to realize

Moore To Consider: You may be right.

Charles Hundley Jnr: that this wasn't the best thing to do because your people here are having a fit about it and it doesn't benefit them all.

Moore To Consider: You may be that may be a correct read. It's a read that I don't necessarily feel like I have the basis for. I think you're making what you think is an educated guess as to some of the background stuff. I do think, regardless of what the motivation, it could have been things held over his head. It could have been the ego stroking. It could have been and those could be opposite. One could be like, ⁓ Donald, you really don't want to do this. You don't really want this to come out, do you? All right, son of a bitch, I'll do

Charles Hundley Jnr: Right. No.

Moore To Consider: That's not stroking his ego. Now, it could have been we're kissing your ass and telling you that you're going to be famous for doing what other presidents wouldn't do for 40 years. That's another lane. Either way, it would give the appearance, and you've said this in several shows, he did what he did against every bit of advice of his closest advisors, or at least a lot of advice against it. That would make you, and this is why I said that thing the other day. You can say, Jack, here's my advice.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Right. Yes.

Moore To Consider: You got a choice, and there's 100% success and no downside. I'm like, all right, I'll make that choice. Then I think everything else is a slide and scale. And I think if you're telling me don't do it, I'm weighing it against not doing it and what repercussion may come. And I think that there was, he thought, a repercussion, whatever it was. Not saving face, not getting a chance to peacock and strut around, whatever it is.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Alright. I agree.

Moore To Consider: Like I got a chance to be superhero in in world history. But it but at the cost of six plus on the diesel and five plus on the gas and all that in the midterm coming, doesn't sound like strategically. Or he totally underestimated just how this is going to work. And maybe he really believed that there was going to be you know, some upheaval in the streets and Iranian people were gonna take over in in a in a fashion advantageous to the who the hell knows what he thought. But he didn't seem to know, right.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I agree. No, he did not know. That's all.

Moore To Consider: All right, bro, this is this has been more to consider. Like, subscribe, share with others. Make comments. Whatever comments you make. Charles is reading ⁓ I'm not, especially after this one, after what we've we've touched on this. I do feel some heat coming off the rail. All right, brother. Later.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I can feel already. Bye.