The Washington Commanders New Uniform and Redskins History

Moore To Consider: Welcome to another edition of Moore to consider. All right. have my, Washington Redskins jersey on. have on my Taylor, 75th anniversary, 2007 season, last season, tragically, the young man lost his life in 2007. I was at his last game. have the towel from the game after his death when they played the Buffalo Bills. So I have both tickets up there. I the ticket from that game. And I also have the ticket from the last game he played against the Philadelphia Eagles. So I was at both of those games, like 2007 under Joe Gibbs as a head coach. So I'm wearing this tonight and I'm doing this show because what's in the news right now, those of you who have been watching my channel and I hope some new people are watching the channel and hope you like subscribe, comment, share with other people. I did a show back in February on the death of Sonny Jurgensen. So those of you that saw that know that I'm a lifelong fan of this team in Washington, DC, known as the Washington Redskins. When I grew up 1932, originally it was the Boston Braves played at the Boston Braves baseball stadium. Didn't do well in attendance moved to Fenway park. And one of the reasons I've heard the name came up Redskins was a friend of George Preston Marshall, the ⁓ owner of the team, the founder of the team said, well, you were the Boston Braves in the brave stadium. now you're in Fenway park, red socks, red skins, like sort of that was part of it. Why be the Boston Braves in the Boston red Sox stadium? I don't know. That's one of the stories I've heard, but they went to that name. And 1936, after poor attendance again, and a really good team. The Washington or them sorry, then the Boston Redskins make the NFL championship game George Preston Marshall at this point is kind of upset with the team or I'm sorry, the attendance at his games. So he moves the, as the home team, he moves the game to the polo grounds in New York, in Manhattan, where the New York Giants played New York baseball giants should say New York baseball giants played there. And, ⁓ he moved the game there kind of really upset to think to people in Boston at this point. And he didn't have a good relationship there with the fan base. his wife suggested moved back to DC and become the Washington Redskins. So I grew up 70 miles from DC, as many of you know, and the many times I've spoken on this and I have all this memorabilia behind me and a lot of memories of being my first game was actually DC stadium. have a photograph back here of Sonny Jurgensen, who passed away in February, as I mentioned, did a tribute show to him or for him his honor. Back in February 6th, when he passed away and I have a ticket back here, when he's in the plum uniform with the plum helmet with spear, that actually says DC Stadium. It was not even yet RFK Stadium. And as I mentioned in the previous show on October 12th, 69, Uh, after they'd let the senators get out of town, the Redskins opened that year on the road against the saints played the Cleveland Browns on the road. They beat the saints lost to the Browns and tied the 49ers on the West coast before coming back to open the season, October 12 69. Now with new head coach Vince Lombardi. And, uh, I was at that game. So the very first time the Washington Redskins played. In the stadium that was then known as RFK stadium, Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium. I was at the game for the very first time, 33-17, Redskins over Cardinals. My program cover is signed by Sonny Juergensen. He signed that at one of the autograph shows I went to. What you see behind you too, right back over this finger is the 1960, July 1969 Sports Illustrated cover of Vince Lombardi and Sonny Juergensen. I had Sonny sign that as well. Very nice man, as I mentioned after his passing. Have a lot of memorabilia signed by him. So anyway, the reason I'm doing the show and sort of discussing all this again, is I'm not really sure exactly what direction all of this is going. I don't know what direction. I could say I don't want to be political, but all of this at some level is political. I've already kind of touched on the name, the Washington Redskins. And I think I was aware of it in the eighties a little bit, but the Joe Gibbs years were the golden years. Joe Gibbs, 1.0, 1981 to 1992. I mean, he could, he and And God bless him, he's a fabulous man. Um, could really do no wrong in the city. Well, he had the 0 and 5 start in 81, but once he turned things around and the team began to appear in Super Bowls and win Super Bowls, sort of all was forgiven for the first five games. Um, and they had a great run, you know, the 82 season, they win it all. Um, 83, they have a 14 and two go back and get destroyed by the Raiders, which is still one of the hardest days of my life when they lost that game. But then they just maintained this thing where they're generally 10 plus wins a season and they're in the thick of it. They're going to play. mean, really during that run, was the Bears, 85, maybe the greatest team ever in a lot of people's eyes. you know, have the, in the eighties it was Washington, it was San Francisco and the Giants. And the Cowboys come out in the early nineties and retool and become under the Jimmy Johnson, two Super Bowls and then one with Switzer. ⁓ of you probably know that history. There was like a 14 year run when the NFC was crushing the AFC in the Superbowl of it. And John Elway, who I think is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, got beaten by the 49ers, the Redskins, and then the Giants, the 86th season. the NFC East was winning a lot of Superbowls, if not for the 49ers also being in So anyway, during that period, I do remember in Super Bowl 26 in the 1991 season, that there were a lot of people protesting outside the stadium in Minneapolis. They played and, you know, it's like 20 degrees out or 20 below. don't know. It was very, very cold, snow everywhere in Minneapolis. But the Redskins played the bills indoors in the Metrodome. I guess it was Minnesota at the time. So as you had the Metrodome. where the twins and Vikings played and they won. is great But there were people protesting then. So there's been all this protest and in the midst of the 2020 summer, when many things were going on, certainly in the country or in the midst of COVID and everything else, I guess the story, I I guess, the story was that... the minority ownership, minority in the sense that they owned a smaller share of the Washington Redskins, went to Snyder along with many people who in positions of advertisement, stadium advertisements, and ⁓ ⁓ huge corporate sponsors of what the Washington Redskins did. And told Snyder, who was kind of flaming out on his way out anyway, it looks like, for a lot of other reasons, if don't change the name, we're going to pull. He was sort of financially, I think in a situation where he had to do it. But anyway, the long and the short of it is he wasn't very popular, clearly. There's a lot of bad history there with his whole ownership time from 99 through whatever this was, 2022. So anyway, during all that time, if you are a Washington Redskins fan or you had been a fan of the organization, it was a dark period. The only light that was really brought back in was when Gibbs comes back in 04, which was still one of the most shocking things I ever remember in my life. Uh, when he goes out in 92, he's born in 1940, December, I believe. So, you know, he's 85 ish. He's I guess 86 this December. I think he just turned 85 last December. Um, so he's a 41 year old man when he takes over the job, roughly 41 years of age. He goes out in his early fifties and it showed, I mean, he was that guy that the history was. He, um, tended to stay up all night. he would spend many nights, he would sleep in the building, he wouldn't leave to go home. He was that kind of guy when it came, and he just, guess he did very similar with NASCAR because he became very famous and very successful in automobile racing as well. But Gibbs went out, turned it over Richie Pettibone. They beat the Cowboys night without Emmett Smith and then have a four and 12 season. So. It feels like if it wasn't three and 30, I think it was four and 12, but I think it might even be three and 13 bad season. So it's really, really bad season. ⁓ then they hire North Turner little bit, a little bit good, a little bit lot bad. Things seem to go and then same everything seems to be going south at that time. The nineties were a rough decade for the Washington Redskins and then Snyder takes over. And of course, at one point, and I can't remember exactly where on the timeline. He famously made the comment when asked about the team name, I'll never change the name and you can put that in capital letters. It will always be the Washington Redskins. I'm never going to back off this name. And of course, in the end he did. I bring all that up because ⁓ big story in the news now, and I'm going to read from some of the Washington local reports that are out. The Washington commanders unveiled their ⁓ redesigned for 2026 Wednesday, 15th, a new alternative look called the hail razor. Now that's a play on George Preston was famously getting some more history. I mean, this is kind of what I want to do is a history show and then talk about what's going on with this. George Preston Marshall clearly had a very history as to race. that we're talking about a man who's in ownership of a football team starting in 1932. So we're talking about closing in on a hundred years ago that he owned the team. Um, and he had a view that he did not want to integrate and he held onto that and the team suffered greatly as a result. Uh, Thomas soul who will, gosh, Thomas soul will be 96 this year. He's often used this as an example of free markets. And why discrimination is a, you know, clearly a bad thing that he's, taught me that from an economic standpoint. So Seoul has made the point that as every other team began to integrate. You're tapping into a greater talent pool that you just are. mean, you if you exclude any people on the account of the color of their skin, you're going to exclude somebody that could probably help your program. And the Washington Redskins did not integrate. So they were in Griffith stadium, which was kind of in a neighborhood in DC and it's fallen in. It's getting older. I actually did a deep dive as RFK stadium was being in this process ⁓ of It's been going on for a decade. I actually went up a couple of years ago and bought some seats. They pulled all the seats out and they sold the seats to the general public. And I'm up there and I'm looking at the stadium and it's. The shell of the outside of the stadium looks like everything's rusted. It looks like it's falling in. There's trees growing in the middle of the field. I'd seen some pictures from the inside as well. People have flown some drones over top and film inside. I've seen videos people have posted where they snuck in and they run around and structurally it's very dangerous. And I'm talking two or three years ago. That's when, by the time I got the seats. But anyway, there is this... moved to move the stadium back there. And I did a deep dive sort of history into, you know, why there and why RFK Stadium, why originally DC Stadium. And apparently from what I read back in the thirties, there was a movement in Congress. I think it's sort of like, maybe even been prior to the depression, depression started with a stock market crash. Of course, this in 29, the onset of the depression goes into the thirties. And I think that's why the whole thing got canned. But there had been a movement to make a stadium of the United States. And this United States stadium would have been used for the inauguration. like what presidential inaugurations would have been used for, and they were going to court getting the Olympics. Now, if I'm not mistaken off the top of my head, I want to say that LA had the Olympics in 32. Does that sound right? think the LA Coliseum had it in 32. I know 36 was Berlin. We know all the famous stories of Jesse Owens in Berlin, but I think if 32 was LA. But anyway. It's in that timeframe and there's a movement like, let's get DC a hundred, you know, it was going to be a hundred thousand seat stadium, a stadium to seat a hundred thousand people. And then for whatever reason, again, depression, course, leading on to the onset of world war II, our involvement following 1941, it just wasn't a thing. Another 20 years go by from the beginning of world war II and Griffith stadium is obsolete. got, it's got to be replaced. So. The federal government comes in, grants the land. Now, if you've ever looked at some of the films, and this is the old stuff that really, you know, still warms my heart. This is the old film of the Redskins flag waving, and it's looking back over the Capitol into the Washington Monument and on across to the Memorial Bridge into Arlington. It's all in a straight line. And that's by purpose. So that was the place that was laid out for this original plan for a stadium of the United States, which didn't come off. And now it is. going to be DC Stadium. So they built it for, I think capacity originally was like 55,000 and they played around with the seats because when the Washington Senators bugged out to become the Texas Rangers 71, I think was the last season in Washington. So I think 72 was the first year in Texas. So now there's no football and I'm sorry, there's no baseball in a football stadium. So where there used to be left So if you're in the Washington Redskins dugout or the Senators dugout on the first base side, that became the home locker room for the Redskins. You're coming out, you're basically coming out near home plate. And if you look to your right, you're going down the right field line. This is how they laid it out again. When the Washington Nationals went in and played again in the mid 2000s, they used RFK. They went right back into RFK and used it to start the team on the way to building the national stadium that's there now. I went to a game in 06, I got a buddy of mine that was coaching the Nationals and David Wright was in town and David had grown up with me. So I went to see David, saw the Mets play the Nationals and I went to a game and I was like, wow, I'm in RFK for the first time in a long time and it's to see a baseball game. So over there in left field as it's configured for baseball, once baseball left, they just dropped more seats in and brought the seats down closer to the sideline on the visitor's side because always on the home side, the Senators or Redskins home side, or the first base side, ⁓ basically the seats were closer. And then again, you had to have left field and you had to have, so right field just goes down and out to right field. And you could put the fence or wall further out and then you had center field. But now you had all this extra space to drop seats in. So it changed the configuration somewhat. And I think it also added some seats. Um, back in that early S well, and it's about the time that Alan comes in and the Redskins began to win and go to the first Superbowl after the 72 season. So because, uh, in 1961, when John F. Kennedy became president, this was becoming a thing. Um, especially with the Kennedy administration. And I want to say it was Mo Udall, um, that was a US Senator, I guess, after that he was the Secretary to the Interior and he was the one I believe that dropped the note on George Prescott and Marshall's door that was basically, hey, if you don't integrate the team, you're in violation. There is no Civil Rights Act yet. There have been some civil rights legislation, but as we know, the Civil Rights Act of 64 following Kennedy's death has not yet been signed. But there have been some. laws as it relates to a federal city like DC as to accommodations and, and non-discrimination. So they tell George Preston Marshall, you don't integrate the team, you're losing the stadium. Okay. You can't play there. So decides he's going to draft Ernie Davis in 1962. Ernie Davis famously wearing number 44 coming out of Syracuse, just as Jim Brown had a lot of great running backs. mean, what Larry Zonka also, Floyd little I think Floyd little was Syracuse, but I mean, you know, Sanka was later, but you've got Jim Brown followed by Ernie Davis and I think the word was that Ernie Davis said I'm not going to play for that racist man and I draft me if you want but you're wasting your time So Redskins have first pick because again, they stink during this time. They're terrible They last went in 42 and they're in the championship a game. I believe it was in 45 and lost so from 45 through 55 and into 1960 They're not winning. There's a lot of reasons they're not winning, but clearly not integrating when the rest of the league is, it's not helping ⁓ you're, there's the talent pool you're not tapping into and you're refusing to. So when Marshall realizes he's not going to get Ernie Davis to come, he trades the pick to the Browns. He gives the Browns the first pick in trade for Bobby Mitchell. And Bobby Mitchell becomes one of the famous, he's a Hall of Famer. He was a great player with the Browns, but he comes to Washington. And I've heard a lot of sad stories he told about his time, his first few years in Washington, for sure. I think he eventually began to love the city, it became his home. But Bobby Mitchell said, ⁓ just felt a tremendous amount of pressure. He wasn't particularly fond of some the things that George Preston Marshall did or said, clearly. And now he's got to be the first black player in Washington, DC. And he felt that he was definitely, um, in some very uncomfortable situations as it related to how some white fans treated him or just people in general treated him in the city. But he also felt that he carried a tremendous amount of pressure to be perfect every game because he felt that a lot of black folks were looking at him like, Hey, you better do really, really well. Cause if you don't, you know, that type of thing. So he felt pressure anyway. I loved him. I have his autograph, uh, the 49 you sit up here behind me. was the black band or circle that was made for him after his death. The nine was for Juergensen. That was long before Sonny passed. But I also have a 21 sticker that everyone wore for Sean Taylor. But anyway, that's for Bobby Mitchell up there. have that. And Bobby Mitchell, I do have an autograph of Bobby Mitchell over here to the side. So anyway, loved Bobby Mitchell. And then I had 1962. Then in 64, they draft Charlie Taylor and they are beginning to draft black players and maybe trading for some as well. um, well, Bobby Mitchell again was, was, was traded for anyway. There's a lot of bad history there. So there's a lot of things that have been said about George Preston Marshall, the naming of the team. Um, was it a pejorative then was it record redskins was recognized as such then. Is it something that grew to be seen more and more as, a racial slur, et cetera. At same time, there was a Cleveland Indians. there had been the Boston Braves and the Boston Braves, eventually, went to Milwaukee and became the Milwaukee Braves. And eventually they ended up in Atlanta and they still are the Atlanta Braves. Kansas City Chiefs, of course, was the creation of the AFL in 1960, but originally they were the Dallas Texans. They were running into the issue of playing against the Dallas Cowboys. Like all of a sudden the NFL decided, oh, we've got to have a team in Dallas as well. So they ran up against that and they moved the franchise to Kansas city, Missouri and became the Kansas city chiefs, which they still are. So there have been some questions about that. Like, so it sort of bags the question of where's the line drawn? How, how deep can you get into certain phrases or certain words and some are offensive and some have survived. I mean, cause the Braves thing. I kind of thought when the Redskins eventually lost the name to, well, in 2020, or what happened first was the Washington team, which a lot of people liked. They liked it, have a lot more than they liked commanders. mean, a lot of people can't stand commanders. I've heard rumor that that was kind of Snyder's last parting shot out was he realized that was one of the most unpopular names. The ones I heard was the Red Tails. or the Red Wolves. A lot of people wanted to go to Warriors and they're like, well, now that's out too, even though an NBA franchise clearly has it and some other, think colleges even have it. So there's been all this dispute about the name and I'm all over the map here, but what I'm getting into is since 2020 and the dropping the name and going into the season without a name and playing two seasons as Washington football team. The ownership changes and Josh Harris is a native of the area. I think there's been a lot that, that clearly raises a lot of questions about what any of us, you know, financially in a position to own a team that you loved as a kid, would you not at some. ⁓ Level want to say, man, if I got a chance to just check that. Yeah. I mean, Harris born 1964. And I want to say, yeah, he's born in Chevy chase. So he's 61 years of age, born in Chevy chase, Maryland, went to university, Pennsylvania, and then Harvard for his MBA. He's an investor, sports team owner, et cetera. Um, so he's a smart guy. Okay. Well educated, clearly, et cetera, but he's a guy from the town. I mean, he's, he's, well, say Chevy chases. You know, it's outside of DC. Um, and I think he's in a no-win situation on this because clearly, no doubt, there was clearly a number of fans that never wanted to see the name go. And now boom, all of a sudden he's in there and he's getting bombarded. And I remember, One of the coaches, not the head coach, here in the last year or so had on a commander's type of shirt, had on shirt and it was, know, during the practice and it had a feather coming down from like the W logo or something that. And then all hell broke loose. Like, what's that, what's that supposed to mean? What are we doing with feathers hanging there? Does that mean something? And where we're going with all this, it's, come out with this announcement is they unveiled the redesign and this, the hail razor, but I went out over the map, didn't I? Cause I was where I was going with this is hail to the Redskins is the oldest fight song in NFL history. That was written actually the Dallas Cowboys bought the rights to it at one point. That's how they were able to get into the league and they held it over the Redskins that they wouldn't allow them to play it at their own games. But anyway, Hail to the Redskins is a fight song going back to 1937. originally it had some real different language in it too. You can do your own research on that, but, what do we have here on this hail razor alternative It's a black ensemble with the black helmet. And now it has the W logo with the spear interwoven into it. And people are. ⁓ literally splitting hairs on, well, thank God at least didn't have a feather on it. But then they're like, well, wait a minute, you're flirting with something here because, ⁓ this is what I'm going to do. second half of the show is get into the history of logos ⁓ and Because famously, and I have two up here, one, the more plum color and the one that became the more cardinal color, which are the helmets that have the spear on it. And that was a helmet design from 1965 through 1969. 65, 66, 67, and 68. It was some variation of the plum color. I've told this story before in 69 when Lombardi becomes the coach, he gives, and I hope you can see, can really kind of see these two helmets back up here. You can see that one looks very reddish and one looks almost maroon. I think those are the other colors we use. And the way this happened, when Lombardi came in in 69, he was going to do this and he did. He was going to redesign the trim of the Jersey to look exactly like the Green Bay Packers. Washington wore a color that's sometimes been referred to as like mustard yellow. It's not a bright gold yellow. this gold helmet back here, or even on the sleeves of this jersey, this shade of gold. That was not what the Redskins wore the during that period, ⁓ which is something I'm going to illustrate with what I'm going to show everybody in a few minutes. Lombardi gives brother in 69, this the story, the Redskins wore sand knit, medalists. think it's a division of McGregor. So these jerseys that they wore all of these years were these plum jerseys they were made Medal of Sandnet. And Lombardi the contract for the the new uniforms to have the Green Bay trim as designed by Rawlings. And when they opened the they're like bright red cardinal. And they're like, uh-oh, we got a problem. We got a plum helmet. We got red jerseys pretty much. ⁓ Or this burgundy color, again, cardinal really. So what do they do? The only thing they could think of to do that made sense in the moment was to strip all the stickers off the helmet and spray paint them cardinal and re decal them. And that's what they did. So that's why there's two different colors. And this became, so this is a 2007 Jersey and you can see they're starting to darken the color again. They're getting into a darker shade. of between all these different things that are called burgundy. It's always been the burgundy and gold. That's what we call the team, but it's been variations. Like I said, that helmet up there is more of a plum color. I have some helmets here. And I'll show you like this one is a replica. It's a remake of an evident in all the specs and designs of the helmet they wore from part of the season 58 through 64. So Sonny wore this in his first season in Washington. So you can see how dark it is. It's this dark. It's dark. It's a suspension helmet. So this is designed and made exactly like what they wore. When they first put The decal on the helmet again was halfway through the season in 58. So 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, they had this. And from that, they went to that same color plum and a spear. have a friend of mine that's really into this and said, there's only like three in existence of that helmet that were actually game helmets. And like an idiot, when he told me that, I said, well, why so few? And he goes, think about it. And I was like, what? And I'm like, didn't dawn on me. They took that shell and they just ripped all this decals off and they decal them with the new decal because it's red skin property helmets. they just, so like three guys that retired got away with their helmets. And that's why there's, you can't find really much of the game helmet with the feather over the top. These are all reproductions because the real things were all they, all the decals were pulled, removed, and they threw the spears on them. So they're not out there. They don't really exist too much. I'll give you an example too. In 1972, when they go to John Two Guns White Calf, when Blackie Wetzel of the Blackfeet Nation comes to the Redskins and says, hey, go with my logo. This is a sort of the mid seventies. It's sort of a tribute to Lynn Haas, was the center for the Redskins for a number of years. But you can see how red the helmet started to become more of that color. This is a really nice reproduction of the helmet from that era. it has the face mask is called, used to be called like the cow catcher. looks like a, you know, what you had on the front of the, of the but this is an old Riddell helmet, suspension helmet, and you can see the colors, as compared to the plum helmet. So anyway, you have all controversy through the years about the name. And one of the logos was a spear. It's exactly like what Florida state wears. Now, of course the issue on that, and many of my friends said something to me about this when they were talking about the Washington risk and potentially losing the name. They're like, well, why don't you just do what Florida state did? I'm like, what's that? He goes, well, they got in league with pretty much with the Indian nation of Seminoles and the Seminoles are, know, so if somebody says I'm offended by the Seminoles and all the imagery, the Seminoles kind of say, know, Okay. But it's our team. It's like literally our team. So everybody's in league together on that. And that's what they do. It's the Florida state Seminoles. And as long as the Seminoles aren't upset by it, and apparently they're not, because again, this seems to be their pride, their team. This is their university team. It's that part of the world where the Seminole Indians are in league with this. So they wear it. So they've got this spear with a hanging feather. I'm not mistaken. I think they still have. someone in Indian, know, dress, headdress, et cetera, riding a horse during the game. it's, don't think that's been eliminated. So again, that's a different experience. It's Florida state. That's Florida state's thing. They are the Florida state Seminoles. I don't know if there's ever been any real moves to remove that, but they haven't. So, but that exact same design, is what the Washington, I say exact, not exactly the same, but. That spear helmet that many of you are familiar with was what they were wearing during that time. Again, 65 to 69, 69 being the Cardinal color helmet. Okay. So that's what's happening now. There's a little bit of hell breaking loose about have it's what cut to the chase on this. What? And I thought about it, going back to where, Quinn. ⁓ I believe was the coach that was wearing something with a feather on it. Again, it just gets people going, ⁓ my, ⁓ my gosh, that's a feather just snuck up. Are they trying to sneak this back in? And I think that's been the feeling by, by some fans. Cause I saw a lot of stuff posted on YouTube where people were like, ⁓ I see what's coming. They're going to come right back and bring us name back. You know, you know, I say our name back. They want to be the Washington Redskins again. Many fans do. There's no doubt about that. That many fans do. And. I thought, well, going to be the more negative reaction to that? The of the spear in its sharpest the or tip of the spear symbolizes the top fighters, the front lines, those leading a mission who are unafraid to step into the fire. This is what the official press release said. man, that feels like it's really going way overboard for apologizing. What they're doing is they're trying to take Washington redskin imagery and throw it into the uniform. They've kept the colors. If they'd really wanted to make a clean break, it would have been commanders in, you know, they would have gone to olive drab or something, gone strict military, whatever the hell they would have gone to, or battleship gray or something. They would have picked up one of you know, the armed services or something and made a whole different, that's not what they did. I mean, even come, well, the Washington football team, they kept the burgundy and gold, which of course I was happy with, but I was just 2020, you know, was the worst year of any of our lives anyway. But, we get into that plainness you can go with, put a number on the helmet. don't make waves, call it Washington football team, but they kept the colors. And now they've messed around the last few years since they've been commanders, apparently trying to and this is the thing, this, this is the, this Again, the thing they've been skirting this line of bringing back stuff and what have they done? Last year they go, think it's three games where they go to as Rick Dockwalker, who I've said in the Sonny Jurgensen episode is why I'm a Redskins fan. I love Rick Walker. I've met Rick Walker and talked to him at Redskin camp. Class act, super, super guy. And he's one of our guys. He was, he was on that first Superbowl winning team. He wasn't on the 72 team. was on the 82 team. Um, he was on the 83 team, but that's part of being growing up near DC. And I say near DC. was an hour and 15 hour and 20 minutes of 70 miles, but I'm, know, I was close enough to DC that I felt like I went to DC a lot. It's like, I grew up in a part of the world where going to DC was a thing, you know, and going to see the monuments and going to see the museums and everything. Love DC always did. But anyway, if you were in that. Joe Gibbs, 1.0 when we were winning Super Bowls and going to Super Bowls. Rick was your guy. Rick, Rick, Doc Walker, what was, was definitely, big guy on this and he discussed or his, his line that I loved when they started talking about the white jerseys with this opposite trim. This is the burgundy of uniform that came out in 79. This uniform came out in 79 and I'm going to get into that whole thing. I'm going to explain the changes. And he referred to it as a championship uniform. He's like, when you put the white over the burgundy pants, that's the one we brought home. We brought home championships. That's the championship uniform. So they do that last year. They go away from this helmet with a single gold stripe up the middle with this W on W on the side. And they go back to that. I mean, this is an older version. This is the seventies version of the helmet. But I always liked that. they went to the burgundy helmet, there were pictures first drawn that they were going to put John Tugun's white calf on a gold helmet. They were going to stick with the ⁓ helmet, but put the Native American imagery on John Tugun's white calf in that circle and keep a gold helmet. And that's the first rendition of it, I guess I would call it the very first. drawing I ever saw of it was a gold helmet. Then they came out with this in 72. And as a kid, I was like, that is the baddest ass helmet ever. That is it. Man, I love that helmet. And I still do. won't apologize for saying. And again, ⁓ it was a gift to the Blackfeet Nation, there's some people from that family, Wetzel family. I think they're split. I think I've heard them say both, that they think it's an outdated thing. And then others have said, Dad was really into that or granddad was into that. and it was a gift, but without I'm going to do it, right? I'm going to do it. Getting into all this about some people are offended and all that. I still think it is a fantastic mean, as far as putting this, the colors, the contrast, the way it all works. So if you were going to do this with the burgundy helmet, you could have gone, I guess you could have gone white in the middle with two gold stripes, you know, like the white in the middle stripe and a couple of, a couple of, uh, gold. And then I was like, nah, they hit it right. They went gold down the middle, left the border and came with the two whites on the outside. And that's it. So that's what you're seeing now. You're seeing that on the helmet. So that's the helmet. Then they came out with the black alternative helmet, the hail razor. And this is where all the trouble starts because some people are upset saying, uh, oh, you've slipped in imagery of, they're seeing it, guess, as native American imagery or a chance to kind of get the nose up under the 10 again. So here's an article from USA Today, John Peter. This came out the 17th. What is today? 17th. think it's, uh, yeah, just turned the 18th. I'm here in the middle of the night doing this. So yeah, this came out. would in effect is yesterday, Friday. Native Americans respond to Washington commander's new polarizing logo. That's where they're saying here. Critics argue the logo is a step backward and continues to, and continues the use of harmful stereotypes. The spear has done this. Now, of course the team has tried to argue, there's no feather hanging. There's no feather. There are spears. in, you know, in ancient warfare, you know, certainly the spear has been a weapon. It's, it's, it's universally recognized with marching armies and all these things. They're going everywhere they can. But then you'd ask yourself, like, what is the connection to this franchise or even the term commanders that brings back, you know, some gladiator or something in some other setting using some type of a tool with a stick with us, you know, with, some kind of a sharp. edge tool at the end. that really part of this history? And I get, I get it. I get what's being said here. They're like, wait a minute, we've already straightened you out on this. We got you to drop this name. You were also ordered pretty much to drop the imagery. But then the question becomes, can you, can you know, I got asked to, because I went to a game three years ago and Sonny Juergensen got his number retired. I think it was, I guess, almost three years ago. I go to that game and I must've gotten on some kind of list because I get a call and they kind of, they called me up and said, Hey, you want to come up here and check out season tickets? So I walked down the hall with these two guys, one who grew up in like Minnesota and one guy grew up in New Jersey. One's a Giants fan. The other one's a Vikings fan. And I'm walking by this board. I'm like, yeah, Monty Coleman, Raleigh McKenzie, know, Rick Dock Walker. they're like, coach, know, every player, like guys, know every player on that. I mean, I'm going back to the sixties and fours. It's Bobby Mitchell. There's Charlie Taylor. There's Jerry Smith. There's Sam Huff. There's Chris Hamburger. You know, I'm just nailing them. You know, I'm like, dude, I know everything about this team. Like I'm that guy. I mean, if you were talking about a fan, yeah, I know all the history. And then they're like, well, you know, we're pulling really good on the name commanders. It's love. I'm like, no, it's not. And they're like, oh, yesterday. I'm like, no, it's not. You couldn't have picked anything out of a phone, but you could not have. screwed this up worse. can tell you it's not liked. That wasn't me saying bring back the Redskins name, which I would love. I'd be honest, it'll always be the Washington Redskins to me, or at least what was in the past was in the past. And I struggle now, because I struggled with the whole league, because I think the whole league is kind of trashed given to what it was when I think football was at its best. from the 70s through the early 2000s the mid 2000s, like I I never saw a player better than Sean Taylor. I loved the LeVar Arrington when LeVar was playing. I was a big fan of Robert Griffin III when the 2012 season thing happened. But then somewhere along this whole thing, probably about the same time when they stopped playing the Pro Bowl and they started playing flag football and all that kind of thing, something changed. mean, Sean Taylor, there you go. Sean Taylor passed in 2007. It's approaching 20 years. But remember, he hit a punter with one of the most famous plays in a Pro Bowl. He destroyed a punter. Who got right up and You know, pat him on the helmet and said, nice hit, but they faked a punt in the pro bowl and Sean Taylor almost killed him. I mean, it was this incredible hit, you know, and that was the pro bowl. That was a pro bowl 20 years ago when it was played differently, you know? So if you're in a league now where they're literally playing some, some version of touch football or something instead of, and I'm not that guy, I'm not saying I played in the league, but I'm just saying it's a different league. so. ⁓ 2020 being what it was, it was a rough year, COVID and everything else that's going on. And then, um, the team loses the name. I didn't exactly check out because we had the playoff game. Uh, the Heineken kid, course, excited me because I went to Old Dominion to graduate school and he's an Old Dominion guy, you know, and, um, and those are people that know, you know, knew him from campus. And I mean, I was pulling for him, you know, the guy, he had a great run there. So they make a playoff. Um, You know, in 2020 was interesting in the midst of everything else that was going on. It turned into a really interesting season. So the team plans to use a logo on the alternative uniform and merchandise stating they love it. okay. So the franchise says they love it. A new commander's logo featuring a spear has drawn criticism from Native American organizations and prominent people in Native American communities. The team posted images of the new alternative logo. on social media accounts, April 15. They show a spear intertwined with the team's on the helmet. The ⁓ remains the team's primary logo. The Washington commander's decision to update their logo is disappointing and inappropriate according to the Association for on American Indian Affairs. They said this in a statement provided to USA Today Sports. It is time to stop repeating the cycle and listen to native people. who have been clear, consistent and unwavering on this issue. We are not your mascot. There is that, definitely, you know. It's some of you that saw the show. did. did a show with chief Walter David Red Hawk Brown, the third, who is a U S military veteran. And he's the chief of the Nottoway tribe in South Hampton, Virginia, down near the border of North Carolina. So I do a show with him. I love the guy. I mean, we've become really close, you know, and I went to the powwow. I went to the powwow and over everyone for his tribe. And I presented him with a helmet because he wanted some stuff. related to the team that he's part of the Native American Guardian Association that wants the name back. And I'm just saying this because this is more to consider, right? To think about it. get it when are saying, when Native Americans are saying, I don't want to be your mascot and all the rest. There's that lane for sure. But then I meet this gentleman who's part of an organization that wanted ⁓ and to sue the team for the loss of the name. Because they feel like it's the stripping and removal of Native American culture where in American history and in culture nationally, they feel like it's a thing. mentioned this on a show before too, because these things fascinate me, but have skin in the game. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to say, you know, as I do a show like this, I'm like, I don't think that I love the imagery and love the name and grew up with it. And I'm about that much Native American. mean, you ⁓ I'm from Virginia all the way back to Jamestown. Do the math. mean, most everybody probably in the state. I've probably done Elizabeth Warren type of thing now. So somebody's going to want to do a 20, what is it? Do one of the things to prove that. yeah, I do know that in genealogies to be, and again, that, that brings up a point that I always think of like how much native American does one have to be? Cause I saw a guy that defended the name once. And said, yeah, I'm, Native American and I love the name. And then when pushed on it, it was in an interview and when pushed on it, goes, well, I'm half Native American. My mom's Native American. My dad's Irish or whatever. And then somebody blew him up in the comment, well, you have no voice here. Shut up. You know, so I don't know. Cause there, there is a question against that. How much, how much of, of, of some ethnicity race, whatever would one have to be to have an opinion that's acceptable. but yeah, so there's a group of people. clearly Chief Brown felt this way, that was upset. ⁓ and the other thing I was going to say is I was watching the young lady on YouTube. is a young lady that gets into genealogy. She gets into people's backgrounds, et cetera. And she went to work on an Indian, an American Indian reservation in New Mexico. She was teaching there. And she said the first day she's shocked. Every young male on campus has a Washington Redskins jacket. She goes up to them. And she's like, clearly you're offended by this. And they're like, man, we love that. We love that logo. That's bad ass. Look at the, you know, and they're pointing at a blown up John Two Guns white calf on the back of these jackets. And if they're not wearing that, they're wearing Atlanta Braves caps. And I know in the comments, I'm going to probably get destroyed over, know, what I'm saying right now, but she says she's talking to kids who are clearly Native Americans. who were on a reservation going to a school that she's teaching where she had just begun to teach. And they're telling her they're wearing it and they love it. So again, my friend, Chief Brown, that I've come to love. I don't love him just because he's a patriot. You he served in the United States Army and he was a Mustang, went in and enlisted, and I think he made light Colonel. God bless him. He's just a neat guy. And I found out about him from this... Kind of the common interest and we really hit it off. And I think the world of them and I'm to go back next year and see him and I hope to see him again before that. But he's genuinely hurt by the loss of the name. He felt, he said, especially in the eighties, he felt like that young people in his orbit that were a part of his culture were loving the Superbowl years. They loved the Joe Gibbs years because they felt a pride in, hey, they call the team the Redskins. They have John Two Guns white calf on the helmet and man, they're super bowls and that makes me proud. I could see that. could, I could see where someone sees it as offensive, but I could also see someone seeing it like, okay, seeing this something like, man, it's really positive. You have to be willing to be positive. It becomes negative when you're losing. don't know. But again, based upon whole idea of me saying more to consider. That's what I want to do when I talk with people. Again, I've tried to be very open and honest that I don't want to offend anybody. don't. But I also want to ask the question, what about the people who, like I say, generally are hurt, who have a Native American background, whatever percentage, 100 something less or close to 100%, whatever it is, whatever their background is that they associate with that culture. What if they really feel like it was something they were proud of or it was just a sports team that reflected some part of their culture or heritage? I don't know. I mean, it just seems like that's never addressed. Now everybody hears or knows a little bit about the 2016 Washington Post and I've heard it was skewed. Now Washington Post is not exactly a right-wing, you know, rag or something. Like it's some kind of conservative. Um, newspaper in 2016, clearly it wasn't, but there was this last poll taken. It was something like 91 % of native Americans polled sad. They either didn't care. They liked the name or didn't care. Something of that nation was only like 9%. There was some gradation of please remove the name. What does that mean? Okay. So it's nine to one ish if that's true. And I've seen other polls that didn't seem a lot different. So I'm going to tell this story. Very dangerous. Bad for me to do bad, bad, bad, bad. understand it's terrible, terrible bad. I'm going to do it anyway. Recently, I was somewhere in travel and I ran into a young lady in a service industry position and we just got to talking and something was said. I don't want to give up any information on her, but I'll just say she was from a Western state. And she was telling me. She kind of got into like when she first interviewed for her position that there were things in her culture that she had difficulty with. And I'll tell you straight up what she said. She said, in sort of America, I don't think it's really different for her, lot of other races ⁓ people in Western culture, but you know, it's sort of a look people in the eye and she goes, she was in an interview process. And the person interviewing her said, you know, I like a lot about what you're saying about your background and your strengths, but you don't really look me in the eye. she goes, well, in my culture, that's like, you could take someone's soul. know, the are the wind to the soul. And she's like, so from the Western part of the country and she's a hundred percent Native American according to her. Okay. So this is what she, I'm sure she was. Because we get in this talk and I said, she's talking about her ethnicity and or heritage background and how she sees the world. And I said, well, if you don't mind me asking, she goes, I'm Native American. I'm like, ⁓ okay. And she tells me the part of the world she's from. So me being me, we're talking a little bit more and I'm really interested in what she's saying about how, if you're taught certain things about approaches to other people in somebody else's space, how you handle certain things, how. If somebody's interviewing you and they have a different expectation, how that's not fair. And I didn't really thought about that. Never. I hadn't, it hadn't affected me. And now I'm hearing this young lady and, so there's my opening, you know, we were just talking about these things in general. said, Hey, I don't want to offend you and all this, but I got this long running thing because I was a fan. I said, where are you with taking of the Washington risk in his name or where were you with that? And she goes, I never understood it. I go, what? ⁓ I never cared and never offended me at all. I never understood why I defended anybody. Now, again, that's one person. This is me telling the story. She's from a state in the Western part of the United States. She says she's Native American. I get it. I know. I'm not going to get fact-checked, guess, on this. I'm not going to give up who she is or where she's from or anything, but I'm just saying, I ask her that. This is what's interesting too, then. And I said, well, you know, I had this kind of silly thing as a six-year-old when I'm going to games when I was a kid. And I haven't grown up on cowboy and Indian movies. Let's face it. I grew up in America and that's kind of what I saw was John Wayne movies and you know, Westerns and things like that. And I said, you know, as funny as a kid, I kind of saw it as, Hey, I'm going to a cowboy and Indian game, Cowboys and Redskins when I was a kid. I'm pulling for. ⁓ Native Americans, the Indians, I'm pulling for the Redskins. And she said, well, you know, that's funny. And I said, okay. And she said, because where I'm from, the Indian men on the reservation where I grew up all wore cowboy hats and cowboy boots. I was always a Cowboys fan. like, I wasn't expecting you to say that. And she was like, yeah, I always rooted for the Cowboys because so many of the people that I associated with and grew up with and loved were Cowboys. I'm like, okay. I didn't see that coming. mean, didn't, I didn't really process that. So I'm learning a lot from her, but I mean, you know, I say I'm learning a lot. I'm learning something like she had, she had like a liking for the Dallas Cowboys because they're Cowboys and she associated men with being Cowboys. I didn't see that coming. And folks, I say all that to say, I know that's going to light. I'm sure there's going be a lot of negative comments. White guy trying to explain all these kinds of things, whatever the hell people think we're going to say. But I just think that's a neat thing about meeting people. Like I'm talking to this person, a really sweet young lady and she's just explaining that ⁓ which she was talking about how I was reared, you know, and the way I saw the world and cultural differences and things like that as it relates to interaction with people and your jobs on the line. And I was like, wow, okay. never, again, had not thought about that. So when I bring in the redskin thing, I was just like, I mean, she may have been sitting there like, What an asshole. You should have never asked me this. I'd really like to tell you what I think of you, but I won't cause you know, she's innocent. All that's possible. believe me. Does she seem rather sincere in saying I never really bothered me? I think so. I don't know. I really don't know. But the fact that she spun into also being a, she goes, but I was always a Cowboys fan because of the other part. And, I don't know. I just, I just felt like the level of discourse, but again, it wasn't She was in a work situation, which again, was probably totally inappropriate that I even ask her any this, but we just got into a conversation. it was a friendly conversation and it went there, but I could see where maybe she didn't want to come back and say, no, I think it's terrible that that name was ever used. And I think anybody that likes that name is a horrible person, but what's she going to do? She's not going to do it in that setting. I think it's possible. She seemed to be sincere in saying, she just said it just never bothered her. She was just never. really measured it too much at all. And again, that's one person, but I have seen my share as all of us have, including my friend, Chief Brown, who are adamantly for the name. And there's a whole organization trying to do that. So all that being said, I'm kind of arguing the whole point again. It does appear though, and I think this is what's bringing up some of the controversy. It does appear. ⁓ The Washington commander's franchise is trying, I wouldn't exactly even say back door, but it is a slow creep a movement to drink, to bring back to pet. Cause look again, ⁓ I'll say this, I've probably been very clear on this. So I'll try to be clear the second time they've gone back to the uniform. It's this It is this trim. It is the only difference is where you see, this is the Reebok jersey. This was the 75th anniversary, Sean Taylor jersey, 75th anniversary of the team in 2007. The only thing different is it doesn't have this embroidered redskins on it. It's the same uniform. Except Nike's making it not Reebok. I'll give you that too. So what are they doing? They're doing pants and Jersey exactly like they wore in the eighties. And now they've thrown in an alternative. And what did they throw into spice up the alternative? Throw in a spear. So it looks like to me, again, with Harris's history, Chevy chase, Maryland, growing up where he grew up, he's got a lot of pressure on him. I'm sure there's a lot of fans. probably think about that too. He, if he grew up in Chevy chase, he grew up around a lot of Redskins fans. And I guarantee he's got guys that are at barbecues that is probably a billionaire now. I guess I'm sure to have on the team. I don't know exactly what his net worth is. I think he's a billionaire, but he's pretty well off. quite well off. I don't know how much he's doing like the barbecue in the backyard with the apron on and doing the thing, but if he's doing these, get some friends like Josh already, when are we going to do this? Come on, come on, change the name back. You know, you want the name back too. I'm sure he gets some of that. Got to be some people he grew up with that are probably hitting him pretty hard with, know, you got an opportunity to take care of this for us. Maybe he's waiting for what he thinks is the right time politically, climate wise. And I remember doing a show on all of this about a year ago when I mentioned that the chiefs had not felt the same heat and somebody blew me up in the comments. And so I immediately looked up on YouTube, like, okay, chiefs catch heat. And when it was, was four years ago. It's not that it doesn't happen every day that they're in the parking lot. There's people protesting the Kansas city chiefs continuing to be the chiefs. But I was thinking, hadn't heard a lot of heat about it. And they showed that that kind of that last time it was in the same time. When I say four years ago, it was really more like right after the Redskins changed their name. That's when you saw a turning up of the heat. Cause it seemed like an opening, I'm sure for advocates for those people who were advocates for the name changes, I guess that would be the right way to put it. The people who were lobbying for that type of consideration by. First Washington, Atlanta Braves, I'm sure as well, but the people that are kind of coming after the Chiefs, that was their moment. That was probably when they thought, moment to do it. It didn't go and Chiefs kept going to Super Bowls during, you know, the last seven years, they've been in quite a few Super Bowls. One few, and I think that gives you some insulation. I do remember in 91, like I said, in January of 92, when the Redskins played the Bills in the Super Bowl. There was people in the parking lot then and they were winning, but it became more noisy. I think once they started to lose and a lot of other things happened, the Raskins had all kinds of PR nightmares, just one right after the other during the Dan Snyder years. All right. So what am I saying in closing? We're at an hour. Someone's going to close this down. I still think about the Well, I think about the past all the time and, I've kind of think I've, I it's might be a lot of fans. I mentioned this a year ago. I was up in Oxon Hill baseball convention and I ran into an older couple that had Redskins stuff on. actually had Redskins stuff and it's in the midst of Jaden Daniels having this great rookie year. We're going to make the playoffs major, the NFC championship game against the Eagles. And I was like, Hey, what's up my man? You know, we were just, they're getting it done on. ⁓ yeah. I'm having a great time. And I said, How are you with the name? Cause he's got red skin stuff, flat, straight red skin stuff. And he said, you know what? We'll never get it back. I miss it. But it was part of our youth, part of the Joe Gibbs era, Lombardi, George Allen. It's not anymore. It's just not going to happen. I kind of get it. He goes, don't get me wrong. He goes, I miss it. It was a black gentleman. mean, you know, as far as he wasn't native American, wasn't white like me, but you know, he was, grew up in DC and he's like, I love the team. That's where I grew up with, right? And I'm like, yeah, I get it. And he said, but we're kind of of the same age and he kind of had the same feeling. He goes, but I don't want to be offensive to anybody. You know, he goes, Hey, if my Native American brothers and sisters out there don't like it, I'm fine with it. But he goes, Hey, it was our team, man. It was our name. And I said, I kind of feel the same way. I don't want to offend anybody, but man, it was our team name. know, have a lot of great memories, but things are going kind of good. Now, of course we turn around the next year and win five games. Was it five this year? So then the next night I run into another couple also from the area and he and this gentleman's got, he's with his wife. They got commander stuff on, or he's got a commander something on. I'm like, Hey, what about Jayden Daniels? How's there, you know, same thing, you know, the same opening house, everything going. I said, Hey, where are you with the name? And he goes, I don't care. I don't care at all. I'm not a Redskins fan anymore. It's like it's past. I was a kid, whatever. Like I was a kid when they were good. don't really have a lot of memories about it. He's the guy that's, you know, 1991, he might've been six or something like that. know, it's probably about right. We're 1985 ish, right? The guy's 40 ish. He didn't care. And he's like, I don't care. He goes, it's commanders now. I don't care if they call it apple pie, whatever. It's a different team, you know, but we're winning right now. That's all that matters to me. I'm like, I got it. So I think there was a huge difference in the age thing. And that's another thing that I've just come to kind of understand. It's going to age out. It probably already has, because I'm at their coaching college baseball, as I mentioned all the time, but I got 18, 19, 20 year old kids. Well, these kids now that are 19, six years ago, they were 13 year olds. And you know, two years from now, I'm coaching an 18 or 19 year old. It's going to come to a point. There won't be a kid on the team. It doesn't take long that they won't even remember the name Washington Redskins. I think it's already kind of getting that way now. They don't think of it that way. really, yeah. So I think about. When it happened in 2020 and became Washington football team, when you're, when you're 64, when you're in your sixties, when you're in your fifth thing about when you're 55, six years ago, you were 49, 55. You were 49 six years ago. When you're an 18 year old, you were a 12 year old. That's a huge difference. So The kid that saw the name change at 12 was starting to align certain things in their mind. But think about the kid that was six and now he's 12. He was six when the name change came. He doesn't have a history of real life. I've got an entire, what, probably close to 90%, no, not 90%, but probably 85 % of my life somewhere that do the math. So yeah, I was 58. So I'm 58 when they changed the name. I'm 64 now. Yeah. So I'm 58, 58 years. and cognizant of it, know, ⁓ was a fan at four. So I got 50 plus years of being a Redskins fan, literally 50 plus years. then boom, the light switch goes off. So the young people now, like said, this is going to be a naturally occurring death to ⁓ the Washington Redskins because especially with winning and they did it. think that, you know, and that makes you wonder. makes you, it is something that people have questioned too. Is some of this tickling back to Spears and things like that in response to a bad season last year? What if they'd gone to the NFC championship game again? have they gone as far as the Superbowl and had a repeat great season? And man, they, they, even if they lose the Superbowl, ⁓ lost an NFC championship game to the Eagles that went on to win. So there is a part, I think that if they'd had some massive success to back it, they might've backed off all this. Because it might've been like, okay, people got to buy in it's the commanders now. Commanders go to super bowls too. As of right now, commanders don't go to super bowls. They did go to an MFC championship game and they made the playoffs as the Washington football team. But there's no history yet now to displace the Washington Redskins name. And if it comes about, you know, and the guardians are doing well in baseball. mean, they've, they've, they've actually done really well changing their name the same year from the Cleveland Indians, but. I never hear anything about the Indians want the name back. know people personally that are from Cleveland that were very hurt that the name was changed because they said, they grew up on that it was done in large part to honor Native Americans in that region of the United States. ⁓ how they saw it. And they thought that's terrible that you took away what we want to consider an honor to people of that region. You know, and the people opposed to the name are going to go, no, that didn't honor anybody. That just was disparaging. That was terrible. And how they view it. But yeah, 2020 was a year that some of these things happened. And the further we get from it, you know, we're creeping up. won't long. It'll be a decade ago. It won't be long at all. And once it's a decade removed from the Washington Redskins name, Maybe really all they are trying to do with spears and some other imagery. Is, try to get back some of that magic that they had. Maybe think that's the magic ⁓ that come from ⁓ something. I know, but I do again, I think with age, more and more people will not be around to a care that it was ever a different name. So it is of those I'd like for you to like and subscribe. hope you like what I'm doing here. I thought I would touch on this, being a Washington risk and fan all my life. Again, um, seeing what's happening. Um, I don't know what's going to happen with the draft and what kind of moves are going to make. Apparently everything they did last year didn't support what was done the year before. And it was a huge slip, you know, to go from a 12 win season to like a 12 lose season or 12 loss season overnight was not good. Um, I have no idea. I have no idea. I just don't really watch. I don't follow it like I once did, um, because I just don't think the sports what it was. what it was, not anymore what it once was. It's just not, I have the same excitement. I could get the excitement turned up again pretty quick though, because the NFC championship game, it kind of got me, you know, said, Hey, we won that playoff game. Okay. We're going to go to play Detroit, you know? Okay. I beat Detroit. How about that? Now? Yeah. It got pretty exciting. It got pretty exciting. And, I still felt like it was my team at some level. cause it's a team I don't. It's not the team out of Washington, it's the team out of land over Maryland. That's another thing. I want the team back in the city and it appears like we're going to go in that direction. So please like, subscribe, please comment. me what I'm missing here. or tell me if I'm missing it. don't know. the, the fact again, that there's some people that are on both sides of this issue and I think they're well-meaning. I think that's what's so interesting about this whole dynamic. All the people that have a position on it were not around in its foundation or formation. Nobody here named the team, the Redskins. They didn't live in a time when such things were done. And then people lived with it and they lived with it for generations. And many people thought it was wrong all along. And some people liked it. And some people that feel represented by what the name, whatever the name stood for, maybe even felt represented by it or upset that it's gone. And I just think that's a voice or that's a part of the package, a part of the equation that just doesn't get a lot of, um, doesn't get a lot of consideration. All right. Anyway, God bless everyone. Thank you very much. I'm going to do a second part on this second part. I'm going to go into the history of the uniform and where the spear came from or something to that degree. But this, this next one is going to be strictly historical. I'm going to do an historical show. just come back and do a show on, and I'm going to do it right now. I'm just going to do it here in second. I'm going to go back over what the Redskins wore what they're going to get ready to wear. We're going to go into some pictures of what they're getting ready to wear and what this all is about. All right. Thank you very much. God bless. And I'll see you on the second show. Thanks. Bye.