RFK Jr. vs Dana Bash: Did CNN Get It Wrong? Vaccine Truth, COVID Data & Media Bias

Charles: she is a she is just a liar, man. She's a plain old liar and the look on her face, she knows she's lying. didn't have a choice but to say what she's saying because if she doesn't say what she's saying, they're gonna fire her.

Jack Moore: Jack and Charles, more to consider. Today we're going to do something a little bit different than we've been doing. A lot of other people do it. We're going to try to do a little something like this. We're going to look at this dust-up between Dana Bash of CNN and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Charles, I know you're going to have some opinions on this. It's all in the news. I think it says a lot about the media, and it says a lot about how people see it. What I want to say going in, because we're going to stop, start, go through this video. And make some comments as to what's being said. And I believe that there's something that really shows up in the reporting. I am seeing Dana Bash kicks RFK Jr.'s ass, followed by the next one. RFK Jr. tells what's what to Dana Bash. I mean, it's just like it's one or the other. So people are seeing, it's like, you know, they're reading the same novel and they're getting in two entirely different stories. They're seeing the same video and or they're watching the same movie and they're getting a different plot. What do you think going in about what you know about this?

Charles: I've been hearing a pretty much the same thing. I haven't really watched too much of it myself. Just a few clips. but honestly I could see I could see people having their own opinion as to who who got the best of who based on what part of the interview you're watching.

Jack Moore: Okay. That's fair. Yeah. I think some of it is that, but I also think and again, I I'm I'm not bi I mean I'm I'm not unbiased. I have a view of where I think Bash's agenda is. And I think Bobby Kennedy Jr. is being a little bit more objective, but I don't know. Let everybody decide. So I've kind of given up the game there too. But let's go ahead and watch the first part of this clip and let's discuss. So how is that for posing a question?

Charles: well strangely enough I have to agree with her. Yeah, I do. Because Fauci works for or worked for Trump. What was he gonna say?

Jack Moore: Okay. Which brings up, you know, I told you this the other day. I heard from an insider of the first administration. They wanted to bump him. There was talk about it because he was fighting Trump on Trump wanting to reopen the country. And Fauci's out there making him look evil, making Trump look evil. And therefore, he felt because of the firing of Comey, I can't have another one of these. He's a media darling. If I knock out Fauci, they're gonna say I'm anti science, I'm anti I'm anti Doctors who know better and he's going to look bad. So they just let him slide. But I agree with you. One of the major criticisms of Trump has been you didn't get rid of Fauci when you had the chance. But I I I don't disagree. What's in the news is the Fauci hearing, what he did in front of the Senate by pleading the fifth. So this is what brings this up. Now she's got Bobby Kennedy Jr., a lifelong Democrat, who at one point was trying to run for president in 2024, drops out, supports Trump. We know where he is today. Anything else on that opening? Okay,

Charles: No, mm.

Jack Moore: I do think it's fair though to say: is he at fault? Here is RFK Junior's response. Okay.

Charles: can you

Jack Moore: So what do think about

Charles: Just

Jack Moore: that exchange?

Charles: Well They're both I I should say, neither one of them are being completely honest.

Jack Moore: Right. I agree with that. They're cherry p they're cherry picking. Yeah, they're cherry picking. Mm-hmm.

Charles: Yeah, because he's saying we had the highest rate. Right, they're cherry picking. He's saying we had the highest death death rate. No, we had the highest death numbers. No no he said death rate. He said rate. Yeah. And that's that's not true. We had the highest death numbers.

Jack Moore: I don't think he did. I think he said the death toll. I think well, I'd have to go but Okay, okay, I gotcha. I gotcha. Okay. Okay. That's fair. Right. Toll. Right.

Charles: But then she goes into part of the reason why we had the highest death death numbers.

Jack Moore: Mm-hmm.

Charles: But what he should have done in response 'cause I don't think he does, I did see this this clip. I don't think he goes into how the numbers were fraudulently tabulated. She does hmm.

Jack Moore: Well and that that wouldn't serve his argument though, but yeah, I get what you're saying.

Charles: So again, neither one of them being completely honest here.

Jack Moore: Yeah, so what's available on the internet, and again, it's the internet, but it says the global cumulative confirmed deaths of of the highest death toll is the United States, 1.22 million, second highest Brazil, et cetera. But the highest per capita was Peru. So I think she's saying a little bit of proof. But the other thing you notice that she gets in, she gets in and then he steps on her closing of this point, is she goes, yeah. It's chronic disease, which I know you agree with, Bobby, because you're all into let's eat healthier and everybody's too fat, you know, and our cholesterol's too high or whatever. So she he's you're on board with that. Then she hits it's a healthcare system.

Charles: Mm.

Jack Moore: So it opens up the yeah, we need universal healthcare or something. It's going to be sort of that platforming of that particular view. But then she gets in that last shot and misinformation about vaccines, then he jumps in. So now let's think about that logically. There is so much coming out about, as it's referred to, vaccine injury. Is what she's saying, not enough people got vaccinated. The last I've heard is four out of five did. So four out of five people did. And there seems to be some adverse medical events relative to taking the vaccination, call it that, the gene therapies called a vaccine, whatever it is. Then is she really going to say that the death toll would have been better had more people been vaccinated? Because as we know, it was put out. This is going to end the pandemic. It's going to end the spread. You get it. Everything stops. And that wasn't true. People were getting COVID after being vaccinated. And then they had all whatever other health concerns related to taking the vaccine. So if that's her go-to misinformation about vaccine, that's a shot, of course, at him. Anything you want to add on that? All right. He did say death rate again. Let me ask you this too, based upon what was just said there. Just a sort of knee jerk, whatever you want to call it, just you know, your your educated guest, do you think Fauci was supportive of Trump being reelected in twenty twenty?

Charles: Hm I'm gonna say no.

Jack Moore: I I think that there's probably pretty good evidence that because you know, part of his diary, I think he got into some people in the media and how he spoke to the guy's a nut. I don't really like

Charles: Right.

Jack Moore: him. I don't okay. So let's say he's saying negative things about him. What better way to potentially ruin his reelection bid than to shut down the country, upset the country, and blame it on Trump? You know what I mean? So I think that there's If if Fauci is not a fan of Trump and he could potentially be part of maybe a whole apparatus that's trying to bring down Trump to make Trump look bad, Trump I still think is between a rock and a hard place. I think he's in a situation, dump Fauci. press is going to come out and say, Yeah, yeah, you would get rid of the guy that's critical of you on how you're handling this. So he gets to kind of backdoor, get some insulation about how he's handling it by blaming it all on Trump. Now Bobby Kennedy Jr. just went to he did some of his worst work. Some of his most damaging work under Biden. Now, you know, where's she gonna jump to? What's your thoughts on what I just said there?

Charles: No, I agree with you a hundred percent. Fauci p probably did did do that for that reason. It makes sense, man.

Jack Moore: Yeah, I I do think that part of the lockdown situation was to make Trump look worse. At least i it could be politically part of it. Now, I want to say something about this, and I want to get your take on this. I was in a healthcare facility somewhere in the United States. I won't say where, but I was I was in a facility in the midst of all of this. And I was talking to a nurse, and we kind of got into the whole thing. It's in the midst of COVID. I'm I'm talking summer of 2020. It's right in the middle, smack in the middle. Just doesn't it's anecdotal, it doesn't mean anything. But I thought it was interesting. This particular person is a registered nurse and she's working in this healthcare facility. And I'm actually going in to do an antibody test because I thought I'd had it. I was going in and they screwed it up. They actually lost the paperwork or something and I never really got the results. But I wanted to kind of find out, did I already have it? So I'm going into this facility that's allowing you to, for like 50 bucks, go in there and find out if you had antibodies from having it. And as I'm talking to this woman, she kind of does this eye roll at some point about the whole thing. about what's going on. And she said, if you ever ask if you if you ever get used my name or said anything, I'd deny it. But I have two friends who are huge fans of the medical industry, registered nurses. They jumped in their car. They packed up a bunch of stuff to help. They got their gowns together, their masks together, and they headed to New York. And they rode hospitals. This is what she says. They rode hospital to hospital and everyone's like, nobody, nobody needs your help here. Nobody needs your help here. And they said that the the hospitals were literally empty. Now, this is what a healthcare person tells me in like June of 2020 that two friends that went to do this noble work to go help were sent home to another state on the East Coast. Now, that kind of shook me. That that's like six months in, five months in, less than that. And this woman is saying, I don't know. She's rolling her eyes, she goes, I don't know what's really going on, but I heard on the news networks. That everything's backed up, nobody can get through the door in the hospitals, you know, it's it's mass pandemonium, everything's crazy. My friends go up there and there's nothing going on. Did you ever hear any stories like that? Yeah.

Charles: Yes. Yep, sure did. Remember we sent the was it the US N S and whatever

Jack Moore: Yeah.

Charles: they call a ship, Mercy up to New York. As a matter of fact, yes, and I

Jack Moore: Out of Norfolk, right? Yeah.

Charles: actually know a friend of mine who went out to Seattle to help and I would talk to him about every other day. He was there for a month or so and he's like, We have nothing to do. Yeah, so and he works

Jack Moore: Yeah. So

Charles: for the public health service.

Jack Moore: Yeah, and and and Bobby Kennedy Junior right here just said I the ICUs that were empty all over the country. Now let's look real quick at this. What's the date on this?

Charles: April sixteenth, twenty twenty four.

Jack Moore: Yeah, it looks like April twenty April sixteenth, twenty twenty four. If I'm not mistaken, when when did Bobby Kennedy Jr. make the jump to, you know what, I'm dropping everything, I'm gonna get out of the race, I'm no longer a candidate, and I'm gonna back Trump later that summer?

Charles: Yes.

Jack Moore: So this is a guy that's potentially running against Trump or wants to run against Trump. A second Trump presidency would be bad for the country. Well, that's kind of what somebody says who's not yet gone over to the other side. And we mentioned this off the air. You have people all the time that bash their opponent in a primary, and then all of a sudden in the general election, that's the greatest human being they've ever known. They say really nasty things about each other, trying to get the party nomination. So, I mean, this is a guy that potentially is from another party and is trying to run against him. Trump had his chance, he failed. Then he says he said he'd put America first. Instead he let bureaucrats like Fauci shut down the entire country. Now, does that sound like a statement that's glowing about Fauci?

Charles: No.

Jack Moore: No. No, so she's like, well, look, let me let's let's let's look at what you wrote here. You wrote a tweet where you said Trump bad guy because he let Fauci have too much authority. What's your take on all of that?

Charles: Yeah, I mean I I dude, these guys flip flop. and the thing that bothers me is what

Jack Moore: Well sure. I sh go ahead.

Charles: you just said, that they're they will bash one guy that they're running against and then when they decide not to run any longer, they're the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Jack Moore: Right.

Charles: Which is it?

Jack Moore: I don't disagree with that take. That's that's a very like, you know, we got that in the third grade, you know, that sometimes people can be one way and then as soon as something's in it for them, they become something else. I'm saying that the example, the bigger issue, I think, the example that Bash is using is still not good on Fauci. He's still blaming Fauci. He's saying Fauci shut down the country.

Charles: Yes.

Jack Moore: He's just saying Trump let him do it. But that's not gonna

Charles: Right, I agree.

Jack Moore: Yeah, okay. So I I I think that right there is an interesting way for her, you know, to try to put out this hey Bobby Kennedy, you didn't even like Trump.

Charles: Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: How does she know there's gonna be a next pandemic?

Charles: no, I I'm not gonna do that to her. I'm not gonna do that one to her. I'm gonna say that it is a very logical question to ask. What are you gonna do to to try to prevent the next one?

Jack Moore: Yeah. I but I think that maybe better worded was if there is another pandemic, you know, if it I I I guess that there is a possibility there will not be. I mean, what we had what was called the Spanish flu of what, nineteen eighteen, following World War One, right at the end of World War One. You know, we've had all kinds of things since, but I don't know, we get into this technical definition of what does it have to be to become a pandemic. You know, how far does it have to go? But viruses spreading around the world and causing death and dismay has been around since the beginning of time. So in that sense, yeah, there's probably another one coming. She seems to talk with a certain amount of of certainty though. Here comes the next one. All right, that brings up a key thing. How much did you ever heard a gain of function prior to COVID?

Charles: Zero.

Jack Moore: Zero. And I think the average Joe was kind of like, what the hell's going on? Because I I think the on the street version of what's happening was sort of the the way it was presented to us. We go around and play and mutate viruses in ways to bring it to the brink of it could infect humans so that we can play around with how to stop it. And then one might say, well, don't don't screw around with creating them. I think, right? And then and that how some people see it. So now, mm-hmm. Go ahead.

Charles: Yes. Right. 'Cause you don't you don't know what you could end up with.

Jack Moore: Yeah. And and now she seems to be defending that process. Or, you know, she's playing devil's advocate, possibly. She's just saying, Hey, what about these scientists that say, We gotta keep doing this? We just need to need to have better guardrails. Like The ones that failed last time around you tried to play these games? Okay, so let's see what Bobby has to say about that. That's that's kind of what I was thinking. What what evidence is there? I think maybe you were thinking the same thing. If they're going

Charles: No, I actually was thinking it's just the opposite.

Jack Moore: All right, tell me how you were thinking opposite go.

Charles: Yeah, how does he know? How does he know

Jack Moore: How does Bob

Charles: that that they didn't come across something that actually was ab they were able to use to prevent something or to lessen the effect? They don't he doesn't know.

Jack Moore: Okay. Well, he's saying it like he's done the research in that, and I don't know, you're right, but he he seems to be saying, yes, that sort of the rationale behind the gain of function is to play with these viruses in a way that you'd be better prepared to have some type of remedies against said virus or viruses like it. by playing with the mutation of the viruses, et cetera. But what he's saying apparently is all that ever comes of it is now you're fighting the virus you created that's now has has seeped out into the world. Fair, I think that's sort of what he's saying. That that the hmm

Charles: Well if it seeps out if it seeps out, if it escapes.

Jack Moore: Well right, right. And I'm sure many don't. No, but what I'm saying is it seems like when it becomes the practice of what have we gained from the gain of function research, it goes to that which might have been created in the gain of function research. And that the gain of function research isn't like nailing these other viruses that happen to exist naturally occurring in nature, right? I think that's what he's saying.

Charles: Y yes. I understand kinda sorta what he's saying, but it is the reason, if you remember Why Elon Musk his rockets were exploding? And P was like, look, he can't even do it right, he can't do it right. No, actually what they're they have to do is find what the limits are. That way they can they don't ever have to get to that limit once they put humans aboard. I would kind

Jack Moore: Yeah, well that

Charles: of look at the the gain of function the same way. You

Jack Moore: Okay.

Charles: you find out what the limits are and then you work backwards from there to try to prevent it from even getting to that point. That's just me.

Jack Moore: Well, that's a view, but like what's the next what's the necessity? And I don't know, there was an argument for this. What is the necessity for the human race and its survival that we have rocket ships or Elon Musk put something? I I know if you're going to do it, if the objective is get into the sky and get it there to some other points in the universe safely in return or whatever, you gotta test the limits of that type of engineering to find out what's gonna work and I get it, but then you'd still

Charles: Well that's anything though.

Jack Moore: Right. I I again well if you're out there on the with the old salt flats and you're trying to get some vehicle to ride at the speed of light or something, you know, you're gonna go out there and have crashes or things are gonna blow up or whatever because you're testing engineering indoor, you know, whatever it is, whether it's it's it's engines, motors, whether it's rocket ship you know, crash what well, the crash tests are usually done with dummies, not humans, but they're d they're

Charles: Price test. Yeah. That's it's the same thing, man. No no.

Jack Moore: putting sensors in to figure out what the effect would be on a human being.

Charles: No, understood, but the the premise or the the the science behind it is the same, you have to find what the limitations are.

Jack Moore: Right. But it but but we also have to back up and say we don't have to have rocket ships. We don't have to have cars that do eight hundred miles an hour. We don't have to have any of these things. That's an exaggeration, folks. We don't have to really have those. But I guess you could say we do have to have, if we're going to try to reduce or eliminate to whatever degree you can, worldwide epidemics, pandemics, you're gonna have to do research to get out in front of it. That's what we're saying.

Charles: Yeah. Yes.

Jack Moore: And I think what Bobby Kennedy's saying, there's not a good track record of doing that type of research to stem those. You may be in a disagreement. You you may be in a disagreement. But I I think yeah, yeah, if something's going to be related to science and health, running around trying to make sure that certain types of viruses don't lead to major death is kind of what they should be playing in. Question is, is how? Okay.

Charles: Yes. Right.

Jack Moore: Now, having mentioned in the last show when we did the show on Fauci, I did the one with you and the one I followed with, one of the things I found disappointing about the whole system was when Ron Johnson, Wisconsin, was doing some of his Senate committee hearings, I don't know, three years ago, he's got doctors in there saying we were doing treatments at the risk of our medical licenses, keeping it secret, not being allowed to do certain things. We were losing our privileges to practice in certain, you know, medical. hospitals, et cetera. And this is, I think, what Bobby Kennedy Jr. is addressing. Yeah. If you want to do the pandemic response better next time, stop shutting down the innovation of certain doctors. Be open to, you know, anything but the vaccine kind of thing. So what are your thoughts

Charles: Right.

Jack Moore: on that? Because I think that's where he's going.

Charles: Yeah, I mean I yeah, we did cover that one of the last podcasts is that this was a money grab and they had to shut down anything that was a alternative so that you could continue forcing people to use a certain product. I mean, that's just what happened.

Jack Moore: Well yeah. Well, in fairness to the discussion, she just threw at him. What are you buddy, what are you gonna do about the next pandemic? You're you're you're in this position now. And I think he's come back and said, How about we let the doctor speak? I think that's his response. Let's see how she responds. She just literally said, What does that mean? Your response to that.

Charles: Wow. I don't have a response to that. Really.

Jack Moore: Well, you remember and I remember Tucker Carlson was talking to, I want to say at the time, it was the governor of a state, I believe it was New Jersey. I I dunno you know, it'll be held to that, but I'm pretty sure it's Jersey. But anyway, he's doing an interview and he goes, Well, by what authority are you shutting everything down? What about civil liberties? What about constitutional rights, et cetera? And the guy goes, Hey dude, that's way above my pay grade. He he's literally said, I'm shutting things down. And you're talking about people's constitutional rights as it relates to freedom of religion, freedom of expression, you know, the fact that you you're shutting down their business without due process. I mean, it could be a fifth fifth amendment, you know, kind of a takings argument probably. The government's shutting me down and taking out my business, and I'm not getting fair compensation therefore. So is that right, we're not getting compensation. And the guy goes, This is above my pay grade. I I I don't get he's basically I I don't get into that constitutional stuff or constitutional rights. That's not really my avenue or that's not my lane. She's just kinda said, What do you what do mean by that? What do you what do mean by just let's actu actually file the constitution that seems like something that she finds either offensive or ridiculous or something. Now, what you just said, I think, is pivotal to this whole discussion. You're talking about rights. I'm talking about a potential public health crisis. What you're gonna do? And I think he's making a point that a lot of people, we know this, were severely damaged by the shutdowns. They lost businesses,

Charles: Yes.

Jack Moore: depression, their their, you know, the grandma's dying in the hospital. She can't be properly buried. She can't have a service. She can't go to church. You know, again, depression's through the roof. the development of children was lost in in so many different ways, you know, things that really were difficult to recover. You had a whole group of kids that were, you know, in certain developmental stages that were severely down. So all this, and he's making the point: how about next time we file the constitution and not shut things down without some other type of process, do it, do it correctly. If there is a constitutional process for shutting things down. And her view, her worldview, what about this rights bullshit? Okay, yeah, yeah. Well, you're talking all this rights stuff. I'm talking about how does government come in and orchestrate again? And given the track record of what we what appears to be how bungled this was. And you know, and and and Tom Wood, God bless him, Tom Woods, he has made he made that entire book on If you look at the graphs of big shutdowns and no shutdowns, the numbers are the same. There there really is no obvious difference between how states handled it. So it it sort of makes it look like masking, that didn't do anything. Shutdowns, not going to school, et cetera. All these things were basically for no great purpose. Anything else you want to add on that?

Charles: It it's all fear again. It's it was it was all fear, man. It it still bothers

Jack Moore: Yeah, yeah. I mean that

Charles: me.

Jack Moore: right. But but does it does it give you what's your initial gut feeling about her just basically saying, Yeah, yeah, you're talking rights. I don't care about that. I think that's what she just said. Like, I want to know what you're gonna do with this coming potential health care crisis. I don't really care about rights. Or it seems like she's saying you're you're going off on a tangent about rights and that's not really what's at issue. Fair?

Charles: Yeah, but honestly, that's what I expect her to say.

Jack Moore: Okay.

Charles: Because she's a believer in all of that. And if she

Jack Moore: Mm. Mm-hmm. okay.

Charles: said something to the to the contrary, then I would be shocked.

Jack Moore: Understood.

Charles: Yeah. Mm.

Jack Moore: Fair enough. Do you want to sit here and attack me? Okay, what about that whole exchange? Your f your thoughts. Give me g yeah. Let it play. Okay, gotcha.

Charles: Well hold on, let y no let it let it keep going, man. 'Cause I yes this part of hurt. Okay, and you can stop it there. This is the problem, man. Yeah, this this is the problem. And

Jack Moore: Yeah, it's the same place I want to stop it, go. Yeah. Yeah.

Charles: what w this part I did I did see already.

Jack Moore: Mm-hmm.

Charles: He's gonna back her into a corner where she's gonna have to admit that she was just doing what she was told.

Jack Moore: Mm-hmm.

Charles: to keep her job and when I heard her say it, the only thing I could think of was the typical government manager. I'm just doing my job. And

Jack Moore: Preach it, brother.

Charles: I could see why the people like her

Jack Moore: Yeah.

Charles: really looked at Fauci as being the you know, the next best thing to slice bread because they had the same mentality. I'm only doing my job. and he's telling me what to do.

Jack Moore: Wasn't wasn't that called the Nuremberg defense?

Charles: Yes. Yep. Yes,

Jack Moore: Right.

Charles: she she She really makes an ass out of herself and he's gonna do a pretty good job of of pointing that out.

Jack Moore: Yeah, I thought she went pretty defensive there and it was a little bit premature to where this might be going. But, you know, if you want to bash me and you know, attack me or whatever, but let's see where she goes. Now, well, she made an assertion there. Is that really ever been totally verified?

Charles: No.

Jack Moore: I I don't think so either. So the question

Charles: No.

Jack Moore: would be she's saying it stopped deaths, and we have all these questions about not only the efficacy, but has it done more harm than good? So anyway, but she's she's definitely on on on team pharma there. Go ahead.

Charles: It all depends on what you considered the reason for the person dying. That's the thing. 'Cause

Jack Moore: Yes.

Charles: you could actually say that, there was a person who had COVID who started taking vitamins, just regular vitamins, and they survived. Or you could say just the opposite. It wa it

Jack Moore: Well

Charles: was this if if it actually worked, then we wouldn't have had people catching it like Fauci caught it I think two or three times after his eight boosters. we wouldn't have to

Jack Moore: Yeah. Well, that's where I was gonna yeah, that's where I was gonna go. Like it depends on how you define effective. Since it

Charles: Yeah.

Jack Moore: was brought out as it is going to be take vaccine, do not get COVID. That that's how it was sold. Fair?

Charles: Yeah. Yep, yes.

Jack Moore: And then it was cannot spread to others. And then people got it. But go ahead. I mean, I it past other adverse effects relative to taking it, there's a question of what do you mean by it was effective?

Charles: Yeah, that that is boy. That's a a giant question there. Effective for who and in what situation. Now

Jack Moore: Well, they did spin it. Remember they did spin it from no, no, we never said you would never get it. What we'd say is now it won't kill you. Now you won't end up in the in the intensive care unit.

Charles: Yeah. Yeah. But they did say you would never get it. They did say you wouldn't pass it on to other people and you did. So i

Jack Moore: All that, yep.

Charles: yeah, it was all BS, right?

Jack Moore: Here we go.

Charles: Dude, she is a she is just a liar, man. She's she's a a plain old liar and and the look on her face, she knows she's lying. But she didn't have a choice. She

Jack Moore: She's busted. Yeah.

Charles: didn't have a choice but to say what she's saying because if she doesn't say what she's saying, they're gonna fire her. She's not being honest.

Jack Moore: There's another little subtle, there's a little subtle point there. Did you notice he's hitting her with, do you have a study? First he started with that say that it was effective for children. Then he just kind of went to, was the harm greater than the good? Or was the good greater than the potential harm to children? Now she comes back with the attack of vaccine disinformation. She doesn't say, yeah, I got I've got all kinds of things. I've heard of s doctors and scientists, but she doesn't point to, yes. At Rutgers, at Harvard, or, you know, Yale, somebody wherever. Yeah, I've got the study right here that shows it was absolutely positive and effective for young people under the age of ten, whatever. She doesn't say that. So here she goes on with the vaccine disinformation. That's her chief concern.

Charles: See, this is she's really being a child now. Because he's asking her to prove show

Jack Moore: Did

Charles: me what you said that you had. I want to see it. And then her response to him is, Well you show me what you have. No, no, no, that's not how it works. But right. By

Jack Moore: That does sound that sounds like something happened in the playground when you're eight. Yeah. Yeah.

Charles: the way, I heard just this morning that since Trump was ar inaugurated last January or January before last, that they have still it Giving five million kids the covert shot?

Jack Moore: Mm-hmm.

Charles: So I I kinda g need to go back to

Jack Moore: Yeah.

Charles: her first statement, her first question to him. Why are you still allowing this? Trump, why are you still allowing

Jack Moore: Yeah, yeah.

Charles: it?

Jack Moore: Fair, fair. He doesn't have the same people he he doesn't have Fauci to deal with anymore. I I agree.

Charles: No. No, he doesn't.

Jack Moore: That's a valid criticism. But but as to where this food fight has now evolved, th she he you know, she said or he he said he he he hit her with, Tell me about the children. Now she just says vaccine disinformation has led to the death of X number of hundred or a hundred thousand people or whatever it was that would have gotten it. But that doesn't have anything to do with children. Maybe some children. But she kind of throws out this adult aspect to it. I think that more people, if it hadn't been for nasty people out there speaking down whatever this jab is, there would have been more people to get it and there would have been less death. That's what she just said. And he keeps hitting her with, what study do you have as it relates to children?

Charles: Well hold think of it this way, man. Her saying that vaccine disinformation led to how many? Was it two hundred thousand deaths? Yeah, I

Jack Moore: Yeah.

Charles: agree with her. Because the misinformation was ivermectin didn't work.

Jack Moore: Fair enough. Fair enough. That's definitely that's definitely fair. Absolutely.

Charles: That's some misinformation.

Jack Moore: Yeah, here we go.

Charles: That's BS man. Bruh. Absolute BS. This this

Jack Moore: Now

Charles: is what she's saying is absolute BS because if you remember, I'll never forget

Jack Moore: Yeah, I think you know where you're going.

Charles: this, man. The day after the election, they took the chirons down.

Jack Moore: I think it was after the inauguration, wasn't it? It was after the election. But you're right. I knew the Chiron came down and then

Charles: No, it was after the election, right? Yeah, they took the chair ones down. Yep.

Jack Moore: the death toll, they stopped all the death toll things. So when Bobby Kennedy

Charles: Yep, they sure did.

Jack Moore: Jr. just said your network was out there

Charles: Yes.

Jack Moore: scaring people, the fact that they were running a death toll on every Chiron on every show at every hour, it's kind of like kind of kind of supports that, doesn't it?

Charles: Yeah, it does.

Jack Moore: And the fact that once Biden is declared the winner, that's why I don't know if it was necessarily we'll we'll check on that. We gotta research that. But but but I think, you

Charles: Okay. That's fine.

Jack Moore: know, it there was a little bit of time lag between, you know, the night of Tuesday and whether or not

Charles: I'm sorry.

Jack Moore: he had been officially called the president. But

Charles: And I think that's what it was when they called him as the winner, that's

Jack Moore: Right.

Charles: when they took it down.

Jack Moore: Right. And then the the there's kind of this out there urban legend, myth, whatever, that more people actually died after that January twenty, twenty twenty one inauguration for than died before. So actually the death toll actually got worse after Biden took over. I don't know that that's true, but that's something that was thrown out.

Charles: The thing that really bothers me is that I w I traveled during COVID.

Jack Moore: Mm-hmm.

Charles: I traveled in September and October of twenty twenty. I

Jack Moore: Mm-hmm.

Charles: left here and went to Egypt and Turkey and their response to me when they figured out I was from the United States, they were like, What the heck is going on over there? You guys are going crazy. As we're sitting at a table, in a restaurant and nobody's wearing a mask in either Turkey or Egypt, they they weren't tripping like they were here. They

Jack Moore: Right.

Charles: were really looking at us like we were nuts. It

Jack Moore: Right. Yeah.

Charles: was unbelievable.

Jack Moore: Okay. Back to let's see.

Charles: Up, stop, stop, stop, stop. This is the thing about I heard about this several years ago, that measles started going through the roof.

Jack Moore: Mm-hmm.

Charles: Yeah. Because the people that you were letting across the border, you weren't testing them from measles or vaccinating them. You weren't. That's why I was going through the roof. No no no no no, it was post COVID. Yeah,

Jack Moore: That's pre COVID. That's pre COVID, right. So don't argue the Okay, okay.

Charles: it was post. It was it was d between twenty one and twenty five that measles start going through the roof. I wonder why. You had the borders open, you let all these people across. You weren't testing them for anything, whether it be covert or

Jack Moore: Okay, that's your explanation. Right. What she would say it's because of people like Bobby Kennedy Jr. that created vaccine hesitancy. That's what she's gonna say. Right.

Charles: Yeah. Yeah and of course that's what she's gonna say, but that's all BS cause she's not gonna wanna admit that the real reasons cause you let all these people in here that you didn't test or vaccinate. Yeah.

Jack Moore: Fair enough. Yeah, fair enough. But d yeah, they're gonna come to different conclusions on that. Let's get back. Let's see. Okay, that's an assertion. Okay, so you see what exactly you're right too though. You you're talking about all these parts of the world where apparently there are some huge numbers, and many of these people again are probably crossing into the United States, causing whatever damage. But if he's right that it's fifteen times in this country, four times in this country, two times, then the rate is not as bad in the United States, however it is going around. He goes and you blame me. What does she come back with you are? the largest, most famous, whatever you wanted to call it, f

Charles: Yes. Name calling me.

Jack Moore: vaccine skeptic on the planet. Planet. So there she goes. No, you did accuse him of something. All right, he's making an assertion back. She brings up mis measles, and it seems like the basis of her assertion or attack, if you want to call it that, 'cause I think it it it might be fairly described as an attack, it's it's your vaccine rhetoric that's leading to this. What about his comeback? Does it sound plausible to you?

Charles: For sure. 'Cause all she's doing is main calling.

Jack Moore: Do you think it also really creates an an issue for her? I don't think she's just gonna blow right by it. But what if he's what if he's right that Fauci, even in his own diary, this now infamous diary, was making note of, Hey, we're gonna have some real problems with measles going forward and some other things because kids didn't get to the doctor to get their series of vaccinations of things that were kind of common ten years prior. They're not getting because of COVID. She didn't seem to address that at all.

Charles: she won't.

Jack Moore: She won't dispute it, I'm sure.

Charles: But real quick, man, about about his his diary.

Jack Moore: Mm-hmm.

Charles: You know that they actually broke into his house and stole his diary. That's how we get all

Jack Moore: Whose day?

Charles: this inform you know, a group of people broke into Fauci's house and then stole no, that's not what happened. I'm just I'm no what happened was the dummy put his personal writings

Jack Moore: We had it on a government server.

Charles: on a government server. So he it didn't belong to him anyway.

Jack Moore: Yeah. I d I thought I w I didn't know if you were kidding around or talking about the FBI kicked his door in or something or what another agency. The way I'd heard it was it was access because he put it on something that the government had access to.

Charles: It was a government server, it didn't belong to him in the first place. What an idiot. Guy's dumb as a box of rocks.

Jack Moore: Yeah, it's kind of not well, but it also I think shows a certain degree of I am government, I am this, and I can do whatever I want to. It's my personal space. Let's hear what else they have to say here.

Charles: Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: Okay. Coming out of the measles thing, I don't know, it seemed a little I wouldn't say juvenile, but it it seemed a little bit maybe a little bit like she's in a position of authority over him. I don't know, where was it was a shaming, I guess it'd probably better way to put a shaming technique. Can you not turn around right now and look into this camera and tell America to tell their kids before they go to school to get the measles? And he's like, Yeah, okay, measle measle vaccine. Get the measles vaccine. But now she's going to go into this link with autism. Where do you think he's gonna go with this?

Charles: I I'm not exactly sure. I don't know. I think

Jack Moore: I think he's gonna say that he thinks it's more than just a link, or that it's more than just a probable link. Let's see what he says.

Charles: Dude.

Jack Moore: We don't want our air used for this. I don't want you to use your air for this. Or our I'm sorry, our air for this. Go ahead, talk to me.

Charles: Man, you trying to torture me by putting me through this. I had the hardest time listening to her in the first place. This is the the most I've listened to her in years because she's so irritating. Is

Jack Moore: Yeah, and it does good.

Charles: it it's this is why I don't watch these news channels. Because it is a case of they won't They won't do what they're asking their their their guests to do. Like she was just asking him, Will you say that this is that people should you know, have parents should have their kids get vaccinated from measles? Yes. Okay, yeah, I'll say that. Now but if he were to ask her, would you not report on things that are false until the studies come out first? She would just say, Well well we're just doing the best that we can No, it's not the same. not the same. It it's yeah man. It's it's dude you're trying to put a

Jack Moore: Right. I I think anybody if it

Charles: a a ice pick in my ear, man.

Jack Moore: Yeah, I mean, I think anybody that's objective would say she is clearly of a particular mindset. She has a particular agenda and she's following through on that agenda. And, you know, I think he's coming off pretty good. But again, and this is what we discussed going in, there are people or that there there have been analysis. I I've s I have witnessed analysis of this the whole thing where it's like, Man, Bash handed Kennedy his ass, and then Kennedy depends on what side. Here we go. I think she's over her head a little bit now. She's you know, she's sputtering. Go

Charles: Well it

Jack Moore: ahead.

Charles: is she over her head or she of course she has an earpiece and is she's getting talked to by Pfizer in the background who sponsors their her her employer.

Jack Moore: Well, yeah, I I do think that what he hasn't specifically at least I didn't catch him specifically saying it, but you wanna see she kind of gave this argument that there's been studies that say no autism linked to vaccines

Charles: Yes.

Jack Moore: and it came from well then you might ask yourself, what other links do they have to people that make the vaccines? And then he seemed to be saying in in the studies that he was referencing. We got some people that are neutral down the middle that don't have anything to do with this, and they have a different view. And he broke that down. She is, I mean, even in this shot right now, she's looking down a lot. She does have a massive amount of notes in front of her. She does seem to be reading from a script or or she's going, referencing some types of pages in front of her. Yeah, and she is wearing an earpiece. I mean, again, that's funny thing you say there. Does she have somebody coaching her in the background? But she does seem to be on a mission. To clear the good name of vaccines. So let's hear what sh the next response. You know, another interesting point I think has to be said at this. I don't remember these kind of I don't know. There was a famous Dan Rather with Bush forty one when they got into it. and there there there's definitely been some exchanges. I mean, Edward R. Murrow, I think he, you know, he he he he took on he took on Senator why can't I think of it now? The communists went

Charles: Crossing.

Jack Moore: after the who McCarthy, yeah. He he went after McCarthy. I mean there's been some Famous historical exchanges with people in the media and political figures, something of that nature, some someone we might call a political figure. But in this type of setting, I grew up on the Cron Kites and, you know, and in the Howard K. Smith and the and Brinkley, Huntley and Brinkley. And I think we had a little bit of an idea, at least we thought. They're right down the middle. They're kind of objective people. This is what they do. She's not objective now.

Charles: No.

Jack Moore: She she so from the journalism standpoint, she is making. I think this is a key thing I'm trying to say. She is making assertions as to the science, the facts, and the studies. And when he goes, what scientists? does every study, every scientist that studied it said that? You know, really? Every scientist said that? So There there's a lot of of generalizations she's making without and and and I what I'm driving at too is is that even really the role? Is her role sitting in that position she's on on this major network, cable network, news network, is it her role to piss and moan and fight with somebody over this? She yeah, I I don't I don't know that it

Charles: No. No.

Jack Moore: is either, but and this is kind of what our odd debates have become too when we have presidential debates or vice presidential debates or In the primaries you see sort of the slant that people bring to it. Let let's hear where she goes from here. Did you not hear him say like four times now as it related to the measles vaccine, he's all for it?

Charles: Yeah, I heard four times, but I don't know who these people are that said that she handed him him his head. I don't understand unless they are people who are like thinking of hers.

Jack Moore: Well, I think part of it was they said he lost his cool, which is, you know, even if you're spitting

Charles: that whatever.

Jack Moore: facts. Well, I know, but you know how it is, it's kinda in the common culture. You can be spitting facts and raising your voice at someone, like, okay, well, if you raise your voice, that doesn't mean you now you can still be correct. And and he is fighting her. He is fighting back. He's not just sitting back and taking it. So those are looked at by some as being, well, that's a clear sign. that you're losing the argument, you raise your voice. I think you can raise your voice and absolutely be right in what you're saying. And j her sitting

Charles: Exactly. Yeah.

Jack Moore: back saying, Well, stop being mean to me is not a defense to what she stated. Let's see where that goes from here. I'm not flustered at all, I'm frustrated. I think that's what she said. Okay. Here we go. What do you think of that question?

Charles: It's it's he's gonna put her on the spot. He wants to know he's

Jack Moore: But what what Go ahead.

Charles: basically asking her, Are you gonna be honest or are you gonna trade your integrity for a promotion? That's what he's about to ask her.

Jack Moore: I I yeah I I heard something I thought of a little bit higher quality. He I think he just asked her, is it your job? To tamp down vaccine hesitancy. It's like it's like that, is that in the scope of your employment? I mean, if if you've if you're working in the position she is for this major network, et cetera, et cetera, doing this type of show, even if she's right, even let's say she crusade she was a crusader for treat puppies well, you know, and she's got somebody, you know, what if she was, you know, just hitting him right now with, Why aren't truppies puppies treated well? You might be like, well, that's not germane to what we're talking about. But you could say, like, hey, she's only in there fighting for puppy safety. Okay, and that's a good thing. We all love puppies. So it seems to be a pet project. I'm being silly, but that means it's a pet project for her to want to push this vaccine hesitancy issue. And he is the poster child. He's enemy number one. So she's got him on the crosshairs are fixed, and now she's going after him. That would make you think. What you've been alluding to, well, you've been pretty straightforward with, it would seem as though she works in an environment where it is in her best interest to maintain employment or to carry the water for the party, whatever this organization is, that she put out this message that people like him are bad. Long live the vaccine. But I I think it's a great question he's asking. Is this your job? As a journalist, do you have a job to defend or promote certain positions? And

Charles: Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: I think that's a hell of a good question. Or telling the truth. I don't know that she has a duty to tell the truth either. I don't think that's what journalists are supposed to do. I think they're supposed to report things factually as best they can, but they're not telling any truth. I don't think. Fair? You see my my see I see the distinction I'm making. It's like, yeah, if you report things. You want to report the facts as well researched as you can. But telling the truth, okay, you might say it's the same thing, telling the truth. But I do think as a reporter, you're supposed to be neutral to the facts. You're just supposed to report the best, you know, the best the fact the the best view of the facts one may have. Got a few more minutes here. You're a booger. No, you're a booger. You're no, you're a booger. Is that not what we just heard?

Charles: yes. Except well but the thing is h she is a parrot and her only response

Jack Moore: You're a parrot, you're a parrot, yeah. Right. I don't disagree with what he said. Well you are too.

Charles: Her her only response to him is, Well, you're a parrot. No, no, no. There's this a huge difference here. She can't she can't answer the questions that he's posing to her because her people

Jack Moore: No. And she shouldn't be having but and she shouldn't have to be answering questions. That's the whole point. This whole

Charles: Well

Jack Moore: thing has turned into this food fight where she's saying things that he's come back. Well, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. And it puts a journalist in a position to have to speak with authority on things I don't think she knows really anything about. Go, talk to me.

Charles: Then she probably shouldn't ask ask the questions. Yeah. Really?

Jack Moore: No, I don't disagree. I d no, but I do think a fair thing for a journalist to do, you know, and I think some of this has happened, you know, Secretary Kennedy, there are some that say, how do you respond to that? And he says he's saying, but then she comes back with, yeah, but the scientists all say you're wrong. But the scientists say, so now she's asserting her view of what the facts are. For for her to ask the question, I think is perfectly legitimate for for a journalist to say it has been reported that. You take a view that some people think you're incorrect. What's your view on that? Yeah.

Charles: What but there's a problem with that man, is that she's she's making this assertion that this is this is what it is and his response to her is can you show that to me in writing? And then she doesn't have it. She that you talk about making

Jack Moore: That's true.

Charles: yourself look really bad. If someone asks you can you please show me the proof and you don't have it, then you probably need to stop asking questions. You really do. And if he's asking her questions, that's why he's asking 'cause she can't prove anything that she's saying. And I would keep asking her questions too. I would not I wouldn't let up. 'Cause she's

Jack Moore: No. I agree. No, no, I think that is his best strategy in response is to say, like, okay, you're making this assertion that an assertion you you are referencing assertions against me, but here are the facts that are in, you know, 180 degrees opposite of what you're saying. He gives her that and she goes, No, no, no, that's not what these people are saying. So now she's becoming a mouthpiece for those those people.

Charles: Yeah. And

Jack Moore: And I think that's where you've kind of lost it. But people can do their own research. Talk to me.

Charles: It were I in his position,

Jack Moore: Mm-hmm.

Charles: I would say I would really put her on the spot. Especially if it's live, I would really put her on the spot. I would ask What percentage of your advertisement comes from phar pharmaceutical companies?

Jack Moore: Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I mean yeah, and d it maybe it's coming.

Charles: 'Cause that's what I would ask her. And no you know she's gonna say, Well what difference does that make? Well is it it's a it makes a huge difference because then we know

Jack Moore: It could, for sure.

Charles: why you keep pushing a certain narrative.

Jack Moore: Well it would le it would at least support the suspicion for sure. Yeah. All right, here we go. All right. My job is to get as

Charles: Yeah I wanna know who these people are.

Jack Moore: much to a sign, sorry, go ahead and talk.

Charles: I wanna know who these people are, man, that are saying that she got the best of him, man. I really wanna know who they are, man.

Jack Moore: I just find it interesting that you're ever in a situation where someone who's a journalist, you know, and we could look up the definition, like what is the working definition of a journalist? Is it an advocate? You know, is it somebody that's an editorialist or, you know, or is it a journalist? And all those different distinctions. But she's now given her job description. It is my job to get as much information as I can. Okay. So he just asked her, you know, like basically questions of what is your role here? And maybe like even what is your agenda here? And she's in this pissing contest with him about defining her role as a member of this network. And it seems kind of unwieldy to me. Talk to me.

Charles: She's not a journalist, though. A journalist is someone who actually goes out and digs through the facts. She's just a parrot, as he said, and is just saying what people are telling her to say. She's not a journalist.

Jack Moore: Okay. that's fair. That's but all right, but has sh okay, if we think about certain people though that are like editorial journalists or editorial in nature, you know, that they what they do is give their editorial view of what they think is going on, or or the you know, their mouthpieces for certain positions on things. Like we can think of a lot of television shows where clearly the person on the air, the the talent, the personality. is expressing their opinions. I didn't know that that was so much what her role was in this show.

Charles: No, she's a parrot. And he said it. She's a parrot. And the reason I say it

Jack Moore: I I get I I g I get the parrot thing going. But but you're saying yeah, go ahead.

Charles: the reason I say that is because I'm not a journalist, I'm not a news anchor, but I was able to do my own research and find out that everything that she's saying is BS. Maybe I should be considered a journalist. All she had to do is go read the studies herself, go to the NIH website, go to the CDC website, go on and on and on. All the information was there. All she had to do is read it if she was a journalist, but she's nothing but a parrot. I don't give her any credit. At all. She's just doing what she's told and that's basically what she's about to say. I'm just doing what they told me to do. Okay, why even here then?

Jack Moore: All right, let's hear the closing on this. Good points.

Charles: No. He looks so dumb.

Jack Moore: She just read off a prompter. Now that's an interesting question. So now she's gonna say big food is blocking cleaning up the food, but she wouldn't acknowledge, like you were saying, that maybe she speaks for vaccines. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Charles: Big pharma. Yeah, I know, right? In it crazy?

Jack Moore: Now he's on the spot. Let's see what big food's doing right now.

Charles: Here we go.

Jack Moore: So

Charles: She's about as annoying as they call me.

Jack Moore: So all in closing here, man, she really let everything out of the bag, I think, there at the end. My job is, and what she's in effect saying, you don't tell the truth. I know the truth. You can say she's indocted in the truth or she is expressing the truth so that she keeps the gig or supports the, you know, the guy behind the curtain. But she just said at the end, it is my job. To tamp down your bullshit. That's what she just said. That's my job. You tell you tell untruths.

Charles: N well I I heard a different way. Not to say that

Jack Moore: Talk to me.

Charles: that that what you're saying is wrong. Not not not at all. I just heard her say I'm just going to do what my advertisers tell me to do.

Jack Moore: Yeah, I I get that. I get that. I get your theme on that. I get your theme. But what I'm saying is, regardless of who's pulling her, you know, who's pulling her strings, I'm just saying it from the standpoint of the viewer. I just heard a journalist say, I've called you in for an interview. I feel bad that it got contentious. But hey, I gotta keep the truth going. I have the truth and you're a liar. So when you say your lies, I gotta tamp down your lies, brother. Now you could say it's because of Who is like I said, pulling her strings. But but the point is, I'm just saying from the optics of it, she just told Bobby Kennedy Jr. in his position, I have to make sure that I fight back against whatever positions you take. And I agree what the could be the underlying reasons why where her bread is buttered and why she does, what the motivation is. But I just think

Charles: Mm.

Jack Moore: it's interesting. that in her position on that network, she just told a person in the position of Bobby Kennedy Jr. that it is my position to fight back against what you're saying. And I you know, and again, I don't think she was really armed well to in many instances come back with, I have the study, here it is, right here, boom, boom, boom, or yeah. She didn't do that. She didn't do that. She just kept saying, Leading scientists tell me so. Okay.

Charles: Right. Yeah, which is which is not not an answer or an excuse. Yeah.

Jack Moore: No, but I just I do th I just think that was a fascinating way to close on I am the truth, you're not the truth, and I have a duty to protect America from you. Because, you know, vaccines and and all the rest. Okay, what else

Charles: Right. Yeah.

Jack Moore: do you want to say in closing?

Charles: No, just how she annoys me. That's it, man. I've never liked her and I've never liked her because she there's no substance at all with her. And I've I've

Jack Moore: Yeah.

Charles: never heard her be absolute mm I've she doesn't even fake like she's being honest. Which makes it even

Jack Moore: Well,

Charles: worse.

Jack Moore: I I guess my take on it was more of it minus the personalities, her individually or whatever. It's the fact that this is media. That that's where I'm finding it more fascinating, whether

Charles: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack Moore: it's her or some other one, some other mouthpiece for whatever agency or or news network. The fact that they approach a show like this in this fashion is what I find fascinating.

Charles: I agree.

Jack Moore: That somebody's on there with the figure like Bobby Kennedy Jr. and fighting with him

Charles: Right.

Jack Moore: and not very well armed to make the arguments. You're getting into an argument with the person and you're making assertions. And when he comes back with, well, where's your study support? That well, I have lots of scientists that tell me that you shut up because people are scared of vaccines because of you, and everybody's dying because of you, you know, all that kind of stuff. And it just is fascinating. I don't you know, I agree. I think she should have been better prepared. The one thing that I think was there was a split on the view, and I I agree with you, Bobby Kennedy Jr. kept saying rate of death. You're right, he didn't say t death toll, he said rate of death. And in that, I think it was a got you. He's right about the raw number of most deaths, and then it's all kinds of questions about how that figure was come up with. True, but that's what you know, this international. Death count thing says, but it doesn't say highest rate. So he did keep saying rate. Maybe that was a got you moment, but that's what it is. All right. So people, I hope you like what we're doing here. Like, subscribe, please comment. again, to me, what we're trying to do, Charles and I are doing together here. To me, this analysis was not who's right and wrong as much as the theater of it, theater of it all. I would tend to think Bobby Kennedy, in that view, seemed to have his. base of knowledge a little bit more stable than she did because I don't think she had any stability in hers at all other than people have told me so. And there's definitely agendas involved. I agree with you too, Charles, that coming out the start, like what about Trump? I don't I think it's fair. It was fair to say. But in

Charles: That is fair. Yeah.

Jack Moore: context, again, his criticism in 2024, April 16, probably illustrated a little bit of I might want to run against this guy for president. Then he wasn't. So there we go. All

Charles: Right.

Jack Moore: right, last thoughts, Charles.

Charles: do your own research. Really, do

Jack Moore: I agree.

Charles: your own re it's all out there. Just go look it up. Read it for yourself. Make your own decision.

Jack Moore: All right, this has been more to consider. Like, share, comment. Please subscribe. Subscribe to us

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Jack Moore: and stay in there, hang in there. We'll keep on talking about this stuff. Take care.