Propaganda, Lies & Political Spin: How Media Shapes What You Believe

Moore To Consider: Welcome to More to Consider, Jack and Charles. Charles, how are you, brother?

Charles Hundley Jnr: I'm doing all right yourself.

Moore To Consider: Okay, so we're at I'm doing well. Doing well. We're at May twenty-eighth, year of our Lord twenty twenty-six. So we're this is when we're recording. And of course we are, what's it been? ⁓ 10 days ish, 12 days ish. Well, yeah, I guess Tuesday this week will be two weeks since the fourth district can the congressional primary in Kentucky. Fair? Think that sounds right. So I wanted to talk to you about a couple of things about perception. And what we're what show folks, folks, it's what the show is going to kind of address is ⁓ some things about I'm always sort of shocked to hear what I think is clear propaganda, or it's the use of advertisements, political ads, whatever you want call it, to sway people. And I'm always kind of shocked sometimes with man, people bought that, or they didn't see through it, or they didn't look any further. I think might be the point. So I'm with a buddy the other day, and he's a Trump supporter. Just straight up, he's a Trump supporter. And he's just saying, like, yeah, the media's getting it wrong. Trump's more popular than ever. I'm like, yeah, I don't, you know, I don't know. I think there's kind of starting to be some fractures in the whole MAGA thing. And I said, you know what? Lean so libertarian. I'm kind of a purist. I kind of like that Thomas Massey. And he goes, That guy's a nut. That guy, he's he's an absolute idiot. I'm like, the MIT all the no, no. God, he's just a nutty fruitcake. And I'm like, and we talked about this the night of. I'm like, you know, somebody looks at him is like, he talks about that constitution all the time. I d he just if he'd shut up about it, it just seems like he's always pressing that that document thing, you know, that everybody swore to uphold. Yeah, it's that pesky constitution. You know, they all raise their hand and what on whatever, you know, to swear to uphold it, but damn, it's an inconvenient thing. So

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, pesky constitution.

Moore To Consider: You know, I I listened to that, but he was like straight up, the guy's a nut. I'm like, ⁓ he's a nut. Okay. So then I'm talking to another buddy, also a Trump fan. And ⁓ I was like, Yeah, you know, I get people still like Trump, or you know, maybe there's some some fissures, but you know, I kind of didn't like the whole thing about the dust up with Thomas Massey. And he goes, Yeah, but all those affairs he was having in Congress. And I'm like I'm like, I'm sorry, what's that?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. I know. Right.

Moore To Consider: I said his wife passed away a couple of years ago. And I know he's remarried, but what do you you know? He was like, ⁓ yeah, you didn't hear about that? He had numerous affairs. And he threw out the name Bargery Taylor Green. Well, they were clearly now and then I looked up, you the first only thing I could see was that they were together joining with Democrats on some bill. So the only time I saw their names really mentioned, but he was saying matter-of-factly, ⁓ yeah, everybody in Congress knows that Massey, and we're not, folks, we're, you know, disclaimer, we're not alleging that. We're, I'm just saying this guy.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Hmm

Moore To Consider: Was sure that Thomas Massey was running with every woman in Congress. And I'm like, wow. So I called you today. I said topics to talk about. And you were like, So let's go, Charles. So you've heard some of this.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, I've heard some of it. For me, honestly, it just went in one ear and out the other. But the fact that this is the October surprise thing that they like to pull, you know, last minute, you don't have enough time to, or you or your people don't have enough time to dispute it. And it's like, you know, and that's the last thing that people remember. Honestly, I didn't really care about it.

Moore To Consider: Right. Right. Yes.

Charles Hundley Jnr: At all. I'm not even going say not too much. I didn't care about it at all because it was pretty clear as to what they were doing. But remember, man, there are people who are susceptible to advertisements and suggestions a lot more than other people. And it's like they believe everything they see on TV. Well, I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. I believe nothing that I see on TV, which is why I kind of would dig deep into it to figure out if it's actually true. And

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: or I can look at the pattern of the person or the entity that I'm getting it from. And if all they do is lie, why in world would leave a word that they said? That's what I don't get.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm. Okay. But see, I think one thing too that we have to take into account is that gosh, you know, we we we kind of come across this all the time. We're all by default, I believe. Everyone is the human the the human condition is by some nature we tend to be worshippers and we tend to join particular faiths. And when now Democrat, Republican is often it is of a faith. And so I think you align sometimes with what you want to believe. And so I think when we're like so the two people I mentioned, both good friends, love ⁓ you know, but if it's like Trump good, everybody else bad, then if if they hear, ⁓ yeah, some Trump supporters told me that Thomas Massey, you know, has horns and time whatever it didn't matter really what they heard. It was just like, ⁓ that's what the Trump people want to believe. Whereas I don't know, but you know, here is one thing in the news, and this was published nineteen may twenty twenty six. And it says Thomas Massey's ex-girlfriend claimed he bragged about sleeping with Lauren Boebert weeks after his wife died. West allegations surface hours before Massey faced the Trump-backed rival Trump-backed rival in Kentucky primary. Thomas Massey's ex-girlfriend has accused the Kentucky congressman of boasting about a sexual relationship with Representative Lauren Boebert just weeks after his wife Rhonda died in June 2024.

Charles Hundley Jnr: hours.

Moore To Consider: Dropping the claim the night before Massey's closed watched, closely watched Republican primary. Now, and the friend I talked to, he was like, ⁓ yeah, he was sleeping with all these women in Congress. I'm like, well, hell, based upon this, probably the reason I even missed it was they're dropping this right before the election. Now, a lot of people in early voting wouldn't have known this, but Ronda Massey died at 51 on 27 June 2024 from respiratory complications.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Right.

Moore To Consider: And ⁓ Massey remarried in October of twenty twenty five. Cynthia West, a former congressional aide who previously dated Massey, made the allegations during a two hour interview with conservative journalist Laura Loomer released on Rumble and X on eighteenth May. Yes.

Charles Hundley Jnr: What? Wait, wait, You said, and right then and there, I would have completely discounted the entire story as soon as I saw Laura Loomer's name. Yeah. Yeah. Completely disregarded it.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, and that's another whole lane, right. Yeah. ⁓ okay, what Wes told Loomer about the alleged affair? Wes told Loomer that while she was dating Massey, the congr the congressman told her that he had slept with Boebert shortly after his wife's passing. Boebert had reportedly spent a weekend campaigning for Massey in Kentucky. Loomer wrote on X that Wes said Massey bragged about his sexual relationship with Boebert while the two were dating. I thought and I don't know. I mean I We don't know. Again, disclaimer, we don't know. But that's an interesting okay. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, we do know who the information is coming from.

Moore To Consider: No, no, I understand that. I'm saying it from the human dynamic of, hey, young lady, we're dating, okay? Let me tell you about all the other people I screwed around with, okay? Yeah. And did you want another drink? Did you did you want hey, did you want dessert? You know, as we're at dinner. By the way, have I told you about the other girl in Congress I screwed? It just seems like an interesting way of approaching dating. Because that's what in effect. Yeah. It could be, but there may be that guy. There may be that guy.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, that's why CSO be us. That's exactly why CSO be us.

Moore To Consider: That's saying the more I tell you that women I've had women, the more you're gonna find me desirable.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I understand what you're saying, but again, I have to look at the source. I have to look at the source.

Moore To Consider: All right, you're you're okay. You're dismissing everything that's said because of yes.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Two things, two things. The source is Laura Loomer, okay? Because she has an alt here.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm. Or she's a recipient. She's a recipient of whatever's being said.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, but she has an ulterior motive. No, not even may. There's not even a. No, but she's report. No, no. That's what the that's what she's reporting. The former girlfriend is saying. Remember.

Moore To Consider: She may and and right. Well, but she's not the one saying it. The former girlfriend's the one saying it, but she's given light to it. No, no, no. She said on an interview, the former girlfriend saying it on the interview. She's not reporting Yeah. Okay. All right, co okay, okay, okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I understand. ⁓ hold on. on. Listen, remember what they did to Brett Kavanaugh? They had a woman literally testifying in front of Congress saying he did this to me and blah, blah, blah. It was all a lie. So

Moore To Consider: Yeah. ⁓ I know they've there's actually been people supportive of her, Ford, that said, yeah, it was all because of the abortion issue.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Okay, that's fine. And again, look at Laura Loomer. That's why I don't even care about it now. For real, I don't care about it.

Moore To Consider: Okay, okay. The only point I was making this, I didn't know if you misunderstood ex or I was not clear. It would be one thing if Laura Loomer's like, hey, this is a Laura Loomer show. And I'm gonna tell you what I heard through the grapevine that this young lady Wes is gonna say about that. What what I'm seeing here is she had her on on an interview. So Wes was speaking for herself. I know she's platforming it, but and you say, Well, I would question anything Loomer would platform, that's fine. But I'm just saying she's not the one saying it. She has the person on to say it. Mm-hmm. Yes.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, I hear what you're saying, man. I understand all that. Understand all that. But say, for instance, how can I put this? How can I put this? How much weight would you put into something that Don Lemon reports on? Or somebody he interviews? How much?

Moore To Consider: Well I have seen Don Lemon interview people that handed him his ass.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I understand, how much weight would you put on a general, especially if he was enthusiastic about an interview in the person.

Moore To Consider: That r I mean, okay. You know where I'd stand on Don Lemon. I think Don Lemon had okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ no, no, no. I understand. where, how would you take, where would you, when it comes on the scale of it being truthful or inaccurate?

Moore To Consider: Charles, I'm if I'm being truthful, Charles, if I'm being truthful, I have a particular view of certain people who conduct interviews, certain people who are talking heads, et cetera. But I've seen the films of Don Lemon 20 years ago and he wasn't saying the same things. He was saying things now that would get him canceled. But so if you're, but all right, but if Don Lemon has somebody on, I'm listening to what the person's saying. I will take it.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mm-hmm. I but where would you put the people in? Okay, but-

Moore To Consider: I will take into account, and I think this is what you're saying, if Loomer has a chick on there and this lady's going after Massey, given her track record, you go, okay, I see what's going on here. She's got the disgruntled former girlfriend because it's making political hay on the but I thought didn't didn't Loomer have some tension with Trump as well? Hasn't she gone off the reservation with that a little bit too at times? Or am I wrong about that? I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Loomer, that's why I say as soon as you said her name, I was like, ⁓ no, I don't believe a word of this. ⁓ I'm very familiar with her. And that's why I don't take anything that she says, especially in this specific race with, with Gawrin and it's.

Moore To Consider: Right. I'm really not that familiar with her. I know the name and I know okay, okay. Yeah. Well this is a hit piece. If you're bringing this woman on two hours before or you know, two days before whatever, it's clearly an objective. It's an objective to upset the alpha apple cart and hurt Massey But

Charles Hundley Jnr: It is a case of what she's doing, man. And I know why she's doing it. Is it, this isn't about truthful or it, it being a hard hitting interview, anything like this. Laura Loomer literally has an ulterior motive behind this. Yeah. She, she really does. Right. And I can't take anything that she says, ⁓ you know, at heart, nothing, the people that she's interviewing. ⁓ can't man.

Moore To Consider: Okay. ⁓ okay, okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Did you ever see her debate Dave Smith?

Moore To Consider: You know, that's really what I think I first became familiar with her was because I listened to so much Dave Smith and I don't remember exactly how it went. Down enlightened the audience.

Charles Hundley Jnr: do it. It was a was a shellacking and I'm going to give you one guess.

Moore To Consider: What was the fight over? ⁓ boy. I guess I guess Israel's role in the Iran R war. So that's been recent. ⁓ rece okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. Yep, exactly right. No, this is before this is before they were on a run thing. This was is

Moore To Consider: Just Israel's and their their particular sway over US foreign relations in general. Gotcha.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. And she's there saying, ⁓ no, it's not that way. And Dave Smith is handing her her head. Yes, it is. And this is why. And she's just like, no, no, no. It's like one of these. I'm to put my head, my fingers in my ears. So when I hear you, when you said Laura Loomer, especially with this race with a Gowrin and, and Massey, I couldn't care less what Laura Loomer has to say. Cause she clearly has ulterior motive. Clearly.

Moore To Consider: Okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, yeah. Okay, just j just to close the loop on this, ⁓ so again, it's Cynthia West, and I did remember reading about this too. This is the other dispute. The Beobert the Boebert ab allegations build on earlier claims that West leveled against Massey. She previously accused the Congressman Massey of offering her five thousand dollars to drop a wrongful termination complaint she filed against Representative Victoria Sparts, in whose office West worked after Massey. Massey allegedly arranged a position for her. I get I think she worked six weeks and then felt like she was wrongfully terminated. She brought a report, she brought a she brought a ⁓ claim against this office, and Massey told her to drop the suit. ⁓ she refused and received, I think it says okay. ⁓ the Office of Congressional Workplace Rights reportedly offered her $60,000 to settle the complaint, which she refused. Massey has denied the payment. was hush bunny. He told the told Newsweek the $5,000 was meant to help Wes move to Washington, D.C. and call the allegations false and unsubstantiated. Boebert stands firm despite Trump's attacks. Boebert has not directly addressed the sexual allegations, but did stand but has stood by Massey publicly after President Donald Trump attacked her on Truth Social for campaigning alongside the congression or the ⁓ the Kentucky ⁓ congressman And threatened to withdraw his endorsement and back a primary challenger. She responded on X. Okay, I knew the risk. She says, Boebert said, I knew the risk when I agreed to stand by my friend Thomas Massey. I was and I'll wells be always be America first, America always, and MAGA. Okay. And Trump labeled Massey the worst Republican congressman in the history of our country. That's a lot to say. And he endorsed Gowren. the retired Navy SEAL and three time bronze star recipient to replace him. All right. So go ahead, sir.

Charles Hundley Jnr: This thing about people in uniform, and I said this on one of our previous podcasts. I am, I'm learning about a certain group of people. They, as a matter of fact, this podcast, a video came up from YouTube feed about an ex Navy seal who is like, he is removing himself from his fellow seals because he's like, you know, I'm starting to see a pattern in these guys. And it's not a pattern that I like and I don't want to be associated with it.

Moore To Consider: Hmm. Interesting. Okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, I did find it really interesting. So just because this Gowrein dude was a seal, so what? So what?

Moore To Consider: Yeah. What okay. Well I think what I'm some sometimes surprised by I think I had a view growing up That my dad was law enforcement and military. So when you grow up in that environment, you kind of think those people are tend, they're gonna tend to be pretty conservative people. If you're gonna go into law enforcement, you're gonna be in the military, you would think, so that's what always surprises me is when highly decorated soldier types will end up r especially running as Democrats and kind of buying into socially liberal positions. You know what I mean?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mmm.

Moore To Consider: Like you served in the military. Okay, you served in the military, right? You're high and tight, you're in here, you're doing things a certain way. And then this the sort of the the pop culture, the society goes in certain directions, which you know don't particularly align with the conservative worldview, right? So the military was generally conservative in the past. It's clearly gone off in different directions recently.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I don't, I don't, I'm being honest with you, man. I'm not quite sure where that even comes from. That the military was conservative. I don't know where it comes from. Cause it's not even a culture. It's not. It is do what I say and that's it. That's not conservative.

Moore To Consider: What what's that? So No no okay. Maybe I'm maybe I'm misspeaking. Maybe I'm misspeaking. Maybe maybe maybe no no maybe I am mis Okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, is a misnomer. It's a myth. It's a myth that people have worshipped,

Moore To Consider: Well, it's no I guess my point is, all right. I I guess my point is I haven't been in the mil I did not serve in the military. I've been around a lot of people in the military. I worked on so I was around people in environments where we had a lot of talk. I never heard a lot of them. Now, again, this was some time ago that I worked on a military base, but I never got it's not that they wouldn't well, I guess it's part of the issue. It wasn't they wouldn't vote Democrat because You know, in the time of Jack Kennedy running against Richard Nixon, hell everybody had served. They'd all served in the military. And there wasn't a lot of razors-thin difference really between the social approach of the two parties. Th certainly Democrats were more tax and spend and all that type of thing, but they were in control of the House for five decades or whatever it was. So Democrat nineteen sixty meant a hell of a lot different thing than twenty twenty-four. That's that's fair, right? It's just so surprising to me with Where the culture's gone over decades, that I wouldn't think I'd see a lot of military types that would be more liberal, given the fact that they did the kind of work. But another thing is clearly we see a pattern more and more of people serving in including special, a lot of special forces that are going right into politics. There's a lot of that.

Charles Hundley Jnr: which, which, and you know where they mostly come from? Navy Seals. Exactly. And that's my point. That's my point. That's exactly my point, right? And that's what this guy's like. I'm removing myself from these guys because they're not exactly good people. It's really interesting. And it took me about a year to start seeing this pattern, right? And it's a Navy Seal pattern. ⁓

Moore To Consider: There's been a lot of Navy SEALs. Yeah, it's been a lot of SEALs, yeah. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Аре, доюк'я мил до military industrial complex?

Charles Hundley Jnr: That could be part of it, but the other part is I know a lot of Navy SEALs.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Not exactly trustworthy dudes.

Moore To Consider: All right, you made this statement, I didn't, but okay, I mean

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, I'm just saying, because I've been around both. I've been around Green Berets and I've been around Navy Seals. They are two completely different mentalities. They just are. They may do kind of sort of the same job, but they're two completely different mentalities. the Navy Seals are not, they're not the, Green Berets, their unofficial model is they're quiet professionals. Cause you don't see them out there writing books like Navy Seals do all the time. You don't see them. being all boisterous and I'm the biggest bad, they're not like that. That's not their mentality, but it is a Navy SEAL mentality.

Moore To Consider: No, I have known some Green Berets too. And ⁓ yeah, I actually heard a guy the other day that was a Green Beret. He said there was a joke in the army. They said the Green Berets existed so there would be heroes for the Rangers. Yeah. Okay. So anyway, ⁓ yeah. Okay, but so we're getting more and more military types definitely going into the Congress or going into politics in general. All right. And

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard that. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: Whatever the influences are on that. So like so back to square one where we were where we were starting to go when we started this. And ⁓ as we approach here closing this show, we're we're getting into this issue of how people get persuaded. I want to throw this out, and then we're gonna close on this. We're gonna close on this. I had mentioned to you many times when I think like, ⁓ that's an interesting point that something just happened. And then I, you know, my mind will go to like. Yeah, there was the calendar character that wrote against Thomas Jefferson in eighteen ⁓ one. You know, like so there's not I mean, gosh, the politics, the political cartoons of the of the time Lincoln was president, they were vicious. And they would come at well, you know, ⁓ Andrew Jackson always believed that his the death of his wife Rachel was brought about because, you know, there was the question of whether her first marriage was ever annulled and she might have been

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mm-hmm.

Moore To Consider: You know, the he may have married a married woman and she dies and he blamed the press and he went after people and he would duel people. So I was mentioning to you, nothing new under the sun. I remember hearing the story that Bobby Kennedy campaign during ⁓ the ⁓ John F. Kennedy election, 1960. Bottom line is they went into heavily Catholic areas that they were trying to win key battleground states, and they put a bunch of nasty.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mm-hmm.

Moore To Consider: literature against Catholics and made it look like Nixon was dropping it. And I think by the time Nixon got wise to it, he's like, what? And it was like it was to sway public opinion. They highlighted Nixon's alleged anti-Catholic sentiments. And part of it was Jack Kennedy, Al Smith was the only other person at that point who had run and lost in 1928 to Hoover. So he was a Democrat running as a Catholic American and and loses in 28. And I've listened to

Charles Hundley Jnr: Wow, that's terrible.

Moore To Consider: You know, there was famously Nick or Kennedy went down in in Houston and spoke in front of a bunch of Baptist pastors or something. It's like, hey, fact that I'm a Catholic's not an issue. You ev evangelical Christians, don't worry, kind of thing. But you look back, it was a real issue of the time. And so they're trying to combat that to some degree. So anyway, the dirty politics is Bobby Kennedy's putting literature out there to make it look like that Nixon's anti Catholic. That's nineteen sixty. And I'm sure

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, I believe it.

Moore To Consider: I'm sure Catholics picked up the leaflets and went, That son of a bitch, Dick Nixon. I can't believe he, you know, and so it probably had sway. I ⁓ who would have thought picking up some nasty literature, making Nixon look anti-Catholic was like, Wait, wait, wait a minute. I bet Bobby's behind this. That Kennedy at son of a gun, he's Catholic. I bet he's nobody was thinking that. They're seeing the, they're seeing the leaflet for what it is, what it's saying, and that's swaying them, I'm sure.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. I'm sure I did. Right.

Moore To Consider: As as if they didn't have enough reason to vote for Jack Kennedy anyway, is also Catholic. So what are your views on that? Since it's nineteen sixty or eighteen ⁓ one, nothing's really different changed?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Nothing's different. think people are just a little more savvy than they were during that time. I think people just believe less of what's being put in front of them. They're not exactly taking it for face value any longer. They're doing their own digging versus having everything shoved down their throats and just accepting it. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: Well, you say that, and yet I gave the two examples I opened the show with of guys that were like, ⁓ yeah, yeah, wasn't he? Now I can also see from this reporting if all they heard was the allegations of the former girlfriend, maybe disgruntled, whatever. And if she's throwing out Boebert, you know, and this guy said, ⁓ na and maybe he thought Marjorie Taylor Green when he or he thought he was speaking of the allegations of the sexual relationship with Boebert when he said, ⁓ wouldn't it that Marjorie Taylor Green? But he was very definitive and I was like, I never heard any of that, but apparently he did. So the truth of it at you know, twenty five minutes to the election doesn't really make a whole lot of difference. Cause like you said, in the October surprise scenario, you don't have time to to pick up the pieces and clean up the mess.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Right, exactly.

Moore To Consider: Okay. Anything else you want to close on?

Charles Hundley Jnr: I'm good. Yes, I'm good.

Moore To Consider: All right, everybody, this is more to consider with Jack and Charles. Please like, subscribe, share with others, comment. Give us comments and tell us what you think of all this. ⁓ bottom line is we're kind of wondering like, how do some of these political campaigns work? They wouldn't do them if they didn't work. And I think w when you're on a time crunch and you've got a time certain that the election's gonna be over, these can be highly effective because people don't have enough time to clean. But I will say that again, this last thing. I think the big thing is.

Charles Hundley Jnr: That is true. Yes.

Moore To Consider: People believe what they want to believe. These guys that were pro-Trump, if Trump said Massey bad, whatever they heard to feed that, they were believing. And you and I, let's face it, you and I, to be honest with everyone, you and I would hear an anti-Massy and go, I gotta look into that more, because we don't see him that way. He if he is that bad guy and he's sleeping with everyone in woman in Congress, the disclaimer again, not saying he is, but if he was,

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes, I agree. All

Moore To Consider: You and I would jump to like, well, there's probably more to this, let's kind of figure it out because we're pro him. We think he's one of those guys that we think more aligned with what the constitution actually says. Thanks again. Yes, sir.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. No, I said yes. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I was here. All right.

Moore To Consider: Okay. All right. Love you, man. Talk to you later. Bye. Bye, audience.