Money, Media & the GOP: Who Really Controls American Politics? | The Kentucky 4th District Case

Moore To Consider: Welcome to another edition of More to Consider. Jack and Chuck, how are you? Charles.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I'm not too good today.

Moore To Consider: All right. It is the 19th of May in the year of our Lord 2026. It's about 8 PM Eastern Standard Time. what we, again, more and more shows I'm doing Charles Carl's calls and says, I got something I want to talk about. And then we decide, you know, what we're going to throw on in response. Again, I'm kind of over politics generally.

Charles Hundley Jnr: 802

Moore To Consider: I'm a history guy, give me 10 years and I'll try to tell you what I think happened. But in the moment, there's so much, ⁓ there's so much lying that goes on in major media. And then the response to it is what we do is sort of out here in the podcasting world, people offer their opinions. But again, I don't think a lot of times we really know what happened until some time has passed and we find out the dirty truth kind of thing. But what we do know is that it is primary season. And somebody is very much in the news in the forefront of being a US Congress House of Representatives in the House of Representatives of US Congressman for what? Eight years, you say? Four terms? Thomas Massey. So Thomas Massey is in the news because he and Trump have been pissing at each other for, well, I think Trump's been pissing at him. And it has led to lots of nasty things by, Donald Trump said of Thomas Massey for not going along with whatever.

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ Since 2016.

Moore To Consider: He thinks the MAGA agenda is whatever Trump thinks it is. So Massey has held true to what a lot of us would probably consider libertarian values or, I actually read the constitution. There's plenty in it. should read. And this is pissed off Trump and whatever the establishment Republicans are right now, which is another whole thing we're going to cover. had a talk today with a mutual friend about this. I think the party's going to reform itself as Trump gets into the second half of this second term. especially depending on how, or in light of how I think the midterms are going to go, I think he's going to be lame duck. He's naturally lame duck, but I don't think he's going to have Congress or he's not going to have the House. He may have the Senate still. And then it's going to be a slide on the second half. And I think it's going to be an opportunity for people who never liked him in the first place to try to reform the party in their image. But what you brought up to me today is you want to discuss like, how did this come about? Thomas Massey was in the term primaried. ⁓ someone was brought with a lot of support from apparently from the white house and from certain forces to run against them. And as we speak right now, it appears Ed Galrain, we've talked about the pronunciation. I've heard it said different ways, but it appears to be Galrain, former United States Navy SEAL, et cetera. And also went through army ranger school from what I saw in his bio. He's a patriot. He served his country. You know, wow. Did he ever serve his country based on his resume? But he was put in this position to run against Thomas Massey to get Massey out. And apparently that is what's happened. What's your response to all this, Charles?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, first thing, when I think about this guy, I think about, what's the guy from Texas with a patch? The eye patch. Yep, Dan Crenshaw. Just because you wore a uniform. Sorry, that doesn't make you any more of a patriot than somebody else. It's just my personal opinion. I, yeah, exactly. So.

Moore To Consider: Crenshaw. And you wore the uniform. Right, you served, I didn't, but I get it. Yeah, you're person that served and you're saying that, I get it.

Charles Hundley Jnr: So I put this guy just reading his resume in the same category as Dan Crenshaw. I didn't care for Dan Crenshaw, honestly. Well, I shouldn't say I didn't all the time care for him. Initially, I was like, ⁓ that's pretty cool. know, Navy Seal ⁓ who's in Congress and then come to find out, Dew was just as shy, as the rest of them, if not worse. And he got primary too because of that.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, I mean that view is there,

Charles Hundley Jnr: And it's like, it's like this race here, was a case of, by the way, Captain Gowrain, Ryan, whatever his name is. I was listening to a podcast just earlier today. And one of things that's really interesting is that he was a Republican up until 2016. And then left the Republican party as soon as Trump was elected. But then came back to the Republican party in 2020.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: when Trump lost. And he is a never Trumper. And I don't really quite understand why Trump has never Trumpers around him. That just doesn't make any sense to me. I don't get that. And this guy seems to be a grifter. He will do and say whatever he's told to do or say. He doesn't have, and this is just my personal opinion about conservatives. He doesn't have a philosophy. It is just that I have a party affiliation, but there's no philosophy. And for the people to say that it's just man, it was really irritating for people to say that Massey wasn't America first. Really? Quite possible. One of the most crazy things I've heard. Massey was the second coming of Dr. No. And if anybody remembers who Dr. No is, that was Ron Paul. They called him Dr. No because he voted against everything that was unconstitutional. It was no, no, no. And Thomas Massey was the same thing. the same type of person. So those who are saying America first, is it America first or is it constitution first? I kind of see America being the constitution. I don't see it the other way around. I'm not going to do something that's in violation, especially people who are supposed to be representatives that sworn oath to uphold the constitution to just you know, take a giant dump on it. And Massey would have been the last person in Congress right now that I know of that would have done anything like that. But that goes against what Trump wanted. Trump wants a yes man. He wants someone who is just going to do what he says. And I do believe. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: Well, there's no question about that. I mean, just in the statements, mean, running, running Massey down and making the comments he did about him. You're right. He's basically has said, well, he is explicitly sad. If you're not on board with whatever I want done, you're a bad guy. Called him stupid. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. Colin Massey, the worst congressman. And yeah, Colin, out of all people, Thomas Massey, stupid. Yeah, it is. Thomas Massey's accomplishments is just. It's it's staggering. It really is anything but stupid. But he's super smart and a constitutionalist, which is completely different than what rhinos want.

Moore To Consider: MIT graduate. Right. He's anything but stupid. Yeah. He's anything but stupid. Right.

Charles Hundley Jnr: As a matter of fact, not just completely what they want. That's not what a rhino is. And no, not at all. And for this Gowrain dude who is, and I've said this before, before I get to this point, I've said this before. If you really want to know constitutionally, what is the wrong thing to do? Look at what Lindsey Graham and John Bolting are for.

Moore To Consider: Right. Right, right, right. He was called a riot and that's not at all. Yeah. No.

Charles Hundley Jnr: then you will know that's the wrong path to take. This guy donated to Lindsey Graham. He considered Lindsey Graham as one of his mentors, if you want to call it. Right then and there, it should tell you that this is a bad guy. His policies, his policies are not good. And ⁓ we all know that Lindsey Graham

Moore To Consider: Interesting dynamics.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Ted Cruz and a couple others, not a couple, a bunch of others, just seem to have an agenda where America is not first. Thomas Massie voted against everything that wasn't America First. He voted against every single foreign aid bill because that's not America First. This is not. It's not America First when you have people in your own country who are really, really hurting, but you're asking them to pay taxes to get to another country first. It just doesn't make any sense. And Thomas Massie was against all of that.

Moore To Consider: Alright. think one of the things I find frustrating and why again, I've sort of put this declaration out, I don't want to talk about politics anymore, even though I love you, we want to do these shows together and this is what we do. So, you we're disgusted, but from the start of the show, the kind of more to consider, I like to get into the ideas of let's look at the whole, let's look at what exactly we're talking about. So let me throw something out here real quick. I kind of you know, just a... a look at what some people had written about. What's the feud about? And this is what's given as the feud has built up over the last two years. Government spending bills. Massey is considered a libertarian minded fiscal conservative who voted against Trump back spending and tax packages because he said the increase to national debt far beyond what it should be. Trump accused him of obstructing the GOP agenda and threatened to back a primary challenger, which is exactly what happened. Foreign policy and military action. Massey criticized US military actions involving Iran and argued that Congress should authorize strikes before the president acts with the military unilaterally. Imagine that, Article 1, Section 8. Trump and allies portrayed that as disloyalty to the America First agenda. Epstein files transparency. Massey pushed aggressively for release of files related to Jeffrey Epstein. Several reports say this became another major source of tension with Trump and parts of the mega movement. Shut up already. We don't want to hear you ask for more transparency. Massey's independence streak. Unlike many Republicans, Massey often votes no on party line issues and openly criticizes GOP leadership. Trump called him an obstructionist.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yep.

Moore To Consider: rhino and fool. While Massey argues he still supports most of what Trump wants in his policies, but he won't rubber stamp any legislation that he disagrees with. The feud has become politically important because Trump is actively trying to unseat Massey. And based on what we're seeing now at 2013 hours, East Coast time, he's done that. The Ed Galrain, the race has been turned into a test of whether Republican voters prioritize loyalty to Trump.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Right.

Moore To Consider: Now the numbers we're seeing is basically 55, 45. And you know, from the world's world of politics, it's a one-on-one, but if you're getting, I know there was somebody else that got like 0, 0, 0.3 or something. I think there was another contestant for this fourth district. But basically if you get a 10 point win, that's a landslide. You've destroyed that person. So a 55, 45 is pretty bad. You know, that, that it wasn't 50.3 versus 49 point whatever. I mean, it's, it's not that. So it worked and I'm sure it was a funding. You know, that's another thing I've never quite understood is how much money would it take me to vote? How much campaigning would I, would I look at a campaign? I don't think this is me. And, know, I would say like, well, that person's clearly not in the line with what I think is the function of government, but damn. That commercial, another, okay, now you've gotten me to turn 180 degrees against everything I believe is a function of government. You have so bombarded me with money spent and ads, political ads. Now you've convinced me of other. Now I guess there are people out there in that squishy middle something, you know, they get pushed around by that. But I pretty much look at most everybody, which is, so, Laurie, let me get into what I wanted to say about all that. Listen to the terminology we're using. MAGA.

Charles Hundley Jnr: That's right.

Moore To Consider: Rhino, know, neocon, all these different things that we say, we've gotten into this vocabulary or jargon that, and I know it serves a purpose. If we have a shorthand way of identifying someone, it just makes some conversation or argument. It's easier. Well, he's a rhino. He's a MAGA. He, whatever. I think of Thomas Massey in the time I've listened to him as someone who truly wants to follow what he believes to be the constitutional duties of a member of the House of Representatives and actually know what's in the constitution and follow the constitution in the votes that he makes. And we're living in a world where that makes him, I wouldn't even say a dinosaur. What would be the right term? He's definitely something not everyone else is. And you bring up Ron Paul. I remember the first time I heard Ron Paul, I'm like, who is that cat? Then I see he's this mild mannered medical doctor that used to deliver babies at a Catholic hospital for a dollar a day. I think he was a Vietnam veteran, but I'm mistaken. I think he served in the military and was actually in Vietnam. I could check that, but I'm pretty sure Ron Paul actually served in the military. And he's this mild mannered person that you listen to and he's brilliant. And people thought he was odd. People thought he was crazy because of the things he said.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, he was a Colonel.

Moore To Consider: You know, let's audit the Federal Reserve. Let's find out where the money goes. Let's find out why the money's worth. Why do we keep printing money? Why do we have all these military excursions? Why do we go blah, blah, blah? He's a nut. He's a nut. He's not on the plantation with the rest of the party and all of it. I never understood it. I love the man. And you know, people that we listen to like Dave Smith, his whole life was turned around politically by listening to Ryan Paul. That's what he said. He was kind of a default Democrat, kind of liberal growing up in New York. And then he heard Paul and he actually heard Paul in a debate or in a primary debate go, wow, who's that guy? Why is he talking that way? So there's a whole group of people. It's small. I think you and I would be included in it, but we ⁓ have a philosophy or a worldview that is not in, we do not occupy that much space percentage wise with the rest of the country. So we get Thomas Massey, the average person does, and it doesn't make us better or something like that, but we're definitely, he's hitting that tune and fork and he's making a wave that we hear, or it's like a dog whistle. We hear Thomas Massey, I get that. He would take that view because he understands the constitution. Go, talk to me.

Charles Hundley Jnr: So this is I had seen this and I've I've been following this for a little bit when it comes to the age breakdown. I found it awfully interesting. So this was taken between May the 11th and 12th, which is essentially last week. And this is the age breakdown. 17 to 25. Massey plus 25. 26 to 35.

Moore To Consider: Really?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, Massey plus 56. 36 to 45, Massey plus 38. 46 to 55, Massey plus 17. And that's where the line starts.

Moore To Consider: Wait a minute, this is polling prior to the primary? Last week, okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, this is last week. Yeah. 56 to 65, Galerain plus 18. 66 to 75, Galerain plus 35. 76 plus Galerain plus 33.

Moore To Consider: Do really think that many older folks made up that kind of difference? Really? And now is that because there might've been polling and then those younger people that might've been more aligned with Massey just didn't vote?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. Yes. No, I'm going to go with.

Moore To Consider: News for likely voters.

Charles Hundley Jnr: It didn't say if it was likely voters or not. Yes, actually it is. Yeah, it does say likely voters. Yeah. And I think that's because of a lot of younger people are not living in these rural areas any longer. They were just outnumbered.

Moore To Consider: Right. ⁓ Right. Where was the poll taken from? Not just the 4th district?

Charles Hundley Jnr: It doesn't say where the poll was taken. I guess I would have to go and do some digging for that. But I found that awfully interesting. And remember, that was the same issue with Ron Paul. Same issue when it come to. Yes, that's exactly right. And the older people seem to be more establishment GOP.

Moore To Consider: Okay. younger people liked them, older people didn't. Yeah. Yeah, I think that makes sense.

Charles Hundley Jnr: And this is what a lot of people have saying, including myself. The GOP is going to end up splintering for the fact that the older people are going to die off. And that establishment is not going to be not going to have any support whatsoever afterwards. If they don't realize that that the geriatric portion of their party is not the future, then the party is not going to have a future. It is not. This is a perfect example. You have a guy who really is like Ron Paul talking Constitution, fiscal conservative, true fiscal conservatism. being no new wars. I could go on and on and on and then you have another guy who I guarantee the vast majority of people who voted for him are saying what about 1979 when it comes to Iran? That's all I can think about. That's it. That's all I know. And they were they were uh should I say scared or threatened if you want to call it that feared is a better way into uh into voting for this guy and of course well but he he was in the military again so what dan crinshaw was in the military what's that guy uh who was the the uh chairman of joint chiefs milley mark milley dude that guy's his his military accomplishments were Stellar? So what? His philosophy was garbage.

Moore To Consider: He didn't, he didn't know the three fifths compromise. He's a Princeton graduate too, but yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, yeah, his philosophy was garbage. So I look at this, this whole, this whole ⁓ primary here was about two things. It was about loyalty to the party who is essentially loyal to another country.

Moore To Consider: Yeah. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: And those people, and I hate to say this, well, I don't actually hate to say this. I do find it awfully interesting. The people who are most supportive of that other country are the ones who are as close that are closer to death and they're worried about getting into heaven because you have to support this country to get into heaven. Call it what I do. I said it. I'd be happy to defend it.

Moore To Consider: Okay. Well, I, I, yeah, I mean, I don't think that that's far off from some people. I've certainly heard that refrain. I mean, I don't just screw that real quick on this, just for the record here. Paul received his, Ron Paul received his doctor of medicine from Duke university school of medicine, 1961. And he serves as a flight surgeon in the United States air force from 1963 to 65. And then the United States air national guard from 65 to 68. He then, he and his wife relocated to Texas and I talked about the delivery of the children. The singer Selena that tragically died in the shooting. You you remember the singer Selena, he delivered her. Yeah. So in Texas, he actually, that was one of the children he delivered. It does not say specifically here and what I'm looking at that he served in Vietnam, but given the timeframe, I think I'm correct about that. Given the fact that he had to serve his time. from 63 to 65 with one unit and 65 to 68, would certainly be in the timeframe. I could probably look further, but anyway, great man, also served his country as a medical doctor, as a surgeon. And he gets it right. Now he says he was, he read Hayek's Road to Serfdom, then Ludwig von Mies and Ayn Rand greatly influenced him. came to know Murray Rothbard, all the All the hits, all the libertarian thinker types that we all kind of know and love. That's what changed him. That's what changed him. So I think that's a lot of it. I think the politics is so messy. To me, this is kind of where I was going a moment ago. Everything is so boiled down to the bumper sticker slogans. He's a MAGA. He's a this, he's a that. He's a rhino. It's just like pejoratives that you can throw at somebody, dismiss them out of hand. And I really do think a lot of people think this is kind of where we're going with the whole conversation, that Thomas Massey is an oddball because it seems, and again, this is another one of those lanes I think becomes ⁓ a bad way to describe it. Is he America first? No, I think he's constitution first. And implicit in that would be that you would be America first. But Trump has taken the slogan and now the slogan is

Charles Hundley Jnr: by default.

Moore To Consider: Trump says therefore he's putting America first. Now look at all the defections including Marjorie Taylor Greene. What are all these people that on the way out he has tried to verbally destroy or destroy in other ways is that they weren't MAGA. It's kind of hard to see that Marjorie Taylor Greene was anything other than America first. I don't know. Maybe she had her skeletons in her closet too. Talk to him and go.

Charles Hundley Jnr: And then... If you think about it, I've actually heard her on Tucker Carlson show and she explains why she left. ⁓ The whole MAGA thing. Make America great. but that did that mean make I mean, did that mean put America first? Obviously, that's not the case. And a lot of people include myself.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: thought that they were synonymous. They're not. They're not. And it's pretty clear right now that they're not synonymous. So to say, you need to be MAGA or else I'll take that or else because MAGA doesn't really have I go back to what exactly is conservative. MAGA is more conservative now than it is anything else, which again, as I said earlier, there's no philosophy. It's just you're with us. Okay. What do us believe? Well, we believe in a strong America. Okay. Yeah. But does that require you to to continue eroding my rights away? Does that? And you saying that you are voting my rights away to keep us strong. What is that? Well, we talk about Daisman. We have actually is not Daisman that said this. It's it is a another podcast where he talks. He has this this compilation of people saying certain things. And one of the things is from Bush. Bush is saying something about I had to W. He said I had to.

Moore To Consider: Which bush?

Charles Hundley Jnr: It's something about he had to destroy or or ⁓ gosh man I'm at a loss right now. something about he had to destroy a system to preserve a system or something like that and it's like okay that doesn't make sense. Yes. Yes. Right. Yes. And it's like what? Say what?

Moore To Consider: ⁓ I do remember that, yeah. ⁓ yeah, yeah, yeah. He said to save the free market, he had to shut down the free market. I think that's what it was. Yeah. He literally said that. Yes. It was kind of like the line from Vietnam. We had to go in and burn the village down to save it. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Right. you know, Pelosi kind of said something along the same lines. don't want to go off into her. Thank goodness she's pretty much disappeared. She's like, you have to pass the bill in order to find out what's in it. And, and Massey is like, no, I'm not going with this. Either one of those. I'm not doing that. You're telling me. And some of the things that they say Massey voted against was not even true or

Moore To Consider: Yeah, to see it was about Obamacare.

Charles Hundley Jnr: It was a 3000 page bill and they pulled one small section out of the bill which was completely unconstitutional. And he's like, I read the thing because I'm pretty much a genius and I can't vote for that. I can't do that. And they've been using that against him. I think, just my personal opinion, it's a sad day. because it's pretty clear that an outside entity, one who is not truly America first or constitutional first, they control this narrative when it comes to this specific race. And Thomas Massey was one of the few that actually said, I'm not going to roll over. I'm going to stand up and fight for this because I'm going to fight for what's right and what the Constitution says. And the people who are against him essentially were like, the Constitution. That's basically it. It was the Constitution against the anti-Constitution. And in this case, the anti-Constitution won. How many more times is going to happen? And I believe this is just, I'm not going to say the first, but it's going to be the start. Because if they can do this to Massey, then they could do it to anybody. Anybody.

Moore To Consider: Yeah. Real quick though, I just looked up, think according to 538, you know, the whole polling thing that crunches in numbers about Congress and, you know, the House Senate. Massey generally voted with Donald Trump, the Republican party far more than against. By most public voting track estimates, Massey voted with Trump's position, roughly 90 to 91 % of the time. What made him stand out is not the overall percentage, it's on a handful of very high profile votes. He was one of the only Republicans to oppose Trump-backed bills, included the 2025 budget framework, a major government funding bill, Trump's large tax and spending package, the big, beautiful bill. Those were the things he opposed. So it's a guy, and this is very much like the quotes earlier I said, that Massey said, hey, I'm generally for what Trump wants to do. I'm generally for his policies. But what he is, is a guy that looks at, okay, is that spending going to further send the United States down a road of greater and greater debt? Is it something unconstitutional? Mechanically, should that be done a different way? That's what he looks at. So he's just not somebody to sweep procedure under the rug and just say like, well, it's for the good of everything. I do find disturbing too. And we've watched the videos. I've seen some of the videos where Trump made the comments like idiot or what I said, Rhino. I mean, it's politics. It can go whatever direction it wants. It plays well to a certain audience. It does. But I think mechanically, if you're not a Democrat and you call yourself part of the Republican party, if you have a Thomas Massey on board and he votes the way 90, 91%, whatever you want to say, and the president is displeased with him as an obstructionist or whatever he says he is, and he seeks to destroy him. The fact that he can destroy him is politics. I mean, it's an open lane. If the president wants to say, you're not on board enough, 90-91 is not pleasing to me, and you become an obstructionist, quote unquote. Now I'm to get rid of you. I'm going to push you out. The fact that that can happen might be kind of ugly, but it's also possible. The fact that it's possible means that's just simply politics. We may not like it. We may look at Thomas Massey. and wished that every congressman, congresswoman was the same. They ⁓ actually gave some weight to the oath that they swore to uphold the constitution, but none of them do. Now, and I thought about this today when we were talking earlier, ⁓ I've been in the presence of Mark Warner a few times back at the radio station when I did shows at Norfolk and the Shad Planking in Virginia. And he is that guy. That in your presence, he'll make you think you're the most important person on earth. He's very intelligent. There's no question. He's been a U S senator now for what? I he's been a governor of Virginia. How long has he been a Senator now? Two terms, maybe three. It's been a while. Right. So he was back during the time. I remember seeing this video. I don't know. A lot of people have seen it and, um, a lot of people probably know about this. It's a town hall in Virginia.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I don't know. At least. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: And Virginia is, as we've talked about, DC down to Richmond, turn left, go down to Hampton roads. And that's where 75 % of the people live. And the rest of the state's pretty rural. It's pretty open. know, a lot of lakes and mountains and all the rest. There's a beachfront. There's people there, you know, generally have your part of the population, but you can go out into the rest of the red America. That's red America. We've talked about that quite a bit. Everything's conservative. West of 95 and 64, it's a whole different world. So he's at this town hall and like one of those areas. And a gentleman stands up during the Obamacare debate and he said, can you show me and that their constitution, the constitutionality of this. And Warner goes, dude, stop with your constitution stuff. That don't even go down the road. Most of what we do is unconstitutional. Like that's been dead and gone for some time. And I thought, at least he's honest, but He was just like, don't even, don't even bring me that. And remember Pelosi did that one time. Somebody brought up the constitutionality of some other thing and she goes, get out of here with the constitution argument. I don't even want to hear that. And I find that fascinating. I mean, in one sense, it's, it's very transparent. They're like, screw the constitution. What are you talking about? Constitution, jurisdiction. How do we do these things that aren't in the constitution? But that's where we are. So I don't think it's. I say all that to say, I don't think that it's ⁓ not so much a mystery, but it's, ⁓ I don't think it should be surprising that a Thomas Massey has no place in the house. Right?

Charles Hundley Jnr: It's surprising for the fact that the house or should I say politics seems to be filled with a whole bunch of crooks. Crooks.

Moore To Consider: Well, you can say all that too, and that's all the product of the fact they disregard the constitution. But what I'm saying is, isn't it interesting that someone that's an MIT graduate who has the intellect, the genius that he has, and the fact that he sticks to his guns, he's not only, in some sense, it's admirable. He doesn't play party politics with even within his own party. He sticks to the, now I took an oath, I'm going to follow the constitution.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes.

Moore To Consider: And it's laughed at or it's disregarded and now he's been run out. So I'm saying, this is my view, you know, more to consider. This is something to consider. Are we at a place? One thing that, I think they've tried this too. What's one thing in the news you never really hear about Massey? You don't hear scandals, do you? I think they've tried to manufacture, right? They tried to manufacture. Exactly. So he seems to be above board in how he operates. Okay. And then he says, Hey, I'm going to check out their constitution before I make votes. have to follow my conscience and the oath that I took to the district for voters in the state of Kentucky, whatever he does that. And he gets run out. And I'm just saying, I don't know that it's a place where.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well they try to manufacture one. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: a person of his mindset, his intellect, and his ability to follow the oath that he took to follow the constitution. just, I don't know if that's anybody today. I think he's being, I mean, again, look at some of the party responses. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Him and that damn constitution. He's always running his mouth. We don't, we don't have any time for that bullshit. We don't, don't with constitution. We're trying to get stuff done here. We're trying to get with the, what the president wants done. So take your constitution and go on about your life and do something else. Cause we can't have you here. Isn't that kind of what's happening?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, it is what's happening. I had a friend ask me a couple of days ago, how do we change this? And I am one of those black pillars. I really do believe we pass a point in no return. I just do. So always tell this story. Give me like two minutes here. It's more so an ending of a book.

Moore To Consider: I do too.

Charles Hundley Jnr: is the ending of Dead of Honor by Tom Clancy. And premise of the book is if you know of any Tom Clancy, Jack Ryan series, Jack Ryan is a director of the CIA at the time. And there's a scandal within ⁓ with the vice president. So.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: They're wanting Jack Ryan to be the vice president. Well, in the meantime, there's a war between Japan and the United States. It's over Guam. And Japan decides to invade Guam. They use a bunch of 747s to ferry troops into Guam. One of those 747 pilots has a brother who is a F-15 pilot for Japan. They think the war is over. Japan has won this skirmish, if you want to call it. And the two brothers are flying beside each other, one in the 747, other in the F-15. And a missile comes out of nowhere and kills the brother in the F-15 in front of his other brother. And obviously he's pretty distraught over this. So things go awry for Japan and turn around for the United States and the United States wins. So this pilot is flying a 747 with a copilot and decides that, we're going to, I'm going to take the plane from Guam over to, I think Vancouver, British Columbia, and drop off some people. And then from there, I'm going to fly the plane. He's going to make an excuse to fly the plane from Canada to England, because that's the only place they worked on the Rolls Royce engines. Excuse me. In the meantime, our government is having a joint session of Congress because they're going to introduce Jack Ryan as the vice president. This guy takes off from Canada, pulls out a pistol, shoots his copilot, and now he's flying the plane himself. And he's pretty pissed off as to what happened with Japan losing the war and his brother dying. During this joint session of Congress, flies the 747 into the Capitol building and kills everybody. Jack Ryan has been vice president for, I don't know, five minutes and now he's the president because everybody gets killed.

Moore To Consider: Hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: both Senate, House of Representatives, Supreme Court, Joint Chiefs, all of them gone and they have to start from scratch. Yeah, so I tell that story all the time. I don't want to see anything like that happen. But we're past the point of no return. Honestly, it's not going to take a few of them to trickle out or whatever. No, the disease is still there. You have to get rid of all of them at once for it to turn around. And by the way, when it comes to this story, or should I say this book, Dead of Honor, if anybody remembers right after 9-11, Tom Clancy was actually brought in in front of Congress to testify. And I remember seeing this on CNN or Fox or whatever channel it was, and I was wondering, why is Tom Clancy up there testifying? I was like, ⁓ that's right. Because he wrote that book with a plane crashing to the Capitol building. And that's exactly why he was there to testify. Because of that book he had written like I don't know, 10, 12 years prior to that.

Moore To Consider: Now, was he kind of brought in to say like, hey, that's not the imagery we want to see and...

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, no, it was after the fact. Obviously, the book had been written a decade, probably a decade prior to that. They're questioning him as to, how did you, you know, guess something like that would happen? And he's like, duh, duh, but you couldn't see it. You didn't think this was possible, you know, but yeah. So I've said this to a bunch of people and I've told that same story about the end of the book because I

Moore To Consider: Right, I got you. Okay. Yeah. Right.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Unless you get rid of everybody at the same time, one person leaving and a new person coming in, they're just going to infect them like a virus. And we're to have the same issues we're having. It doesn't matter how good. And if you seem to have an immunity to the virus, we're going to get rid of you like they just got rid of Thomas Massey.

Moore To Consider: Real quick on that too, I'm looking up some more things about his bio. He did become, as you had mentioned, I think you said the timeframe, he became a member of the House of Representatives in 2012. ⁓

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, 2012. I thought it was 2016. It was 2012.

Moore To Consider: I'm seeing 2012 is when he went in. Remember United States House of Representatives, Kentucky's fourth district now. I'm looking at, it's a Wiki page here, he was incumbent. And it does say in this that over $32 million was spent during the primary in advertisement, which became the most expensive U.S. House primary in history. It's already been updated to say on May 19th, Massey lost his

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes.

Moore To Consider: re-nomination to Ed Galrain. So this has already been updated to say that. ⁓ Okay, you're bringing up, again, I think something that's very important for us to discuss. It is this question of... Who has to have the change in mindset to see somewhat the change that we believe should come about? And you and I have talked about this quite a bit and I always get the whole Daniel Boone versus Davy Crockett. It is Davy Crockett who's in the house at the time of the letter where the gentleman said, or actually I think he saw him face to face and said, don't ever be out there spending, you know, the whole question of, wasn't it like a

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ Right. Yes.

Moore To Consider: a part of DC burned and there was burned out people, families and all burned out. And then they get into the house and they basically say, Hey, let's throw together a spending proposal to buy these people out of their misery. he, Crockett later hears a guy say, Hey, don't be doing that. It's not your money. So he gets into that question of like, really struck him like, Hey guys, got a point. Like if you want to pull your checkbooks out and you want to get together and all of you say,

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes, few row houses.

Moore To Consider: Let's fund this out of our own personal, you know, finances, our own bank accounts, knock yourself out, but you can't do it with the taxpayers money, even if you think it's a really neat thing to do. So as we were discussing that earlier today, you're always going to, ⁓ so you think that people that are burned out or the homeless, should, no, no, stroke checks, baby. If you want to do these things to change the world, it's not a function of government. So charity should be in somehow involved, but people don't see it that way. So since they see. Often people see government is just a genie rub that genie just right. And it takes care of all your issues. If that's what the electric, the electorate basically believes. I remember Walter Williams. saw him in the early nineties at old dominion and they slanted, you know, you got a bunch of liberal professors there. They sort of, ⁓ did, ⁓ the questions that came from the audience. so. It's they were going through the questions. They always seem to have the ones that were most slanted against his view. But I remember, I'll never forget this. Somebody in there said, have you ever thought of running for president? Walter Williams, who passed away two years ago, 84 years of age, three years ago, four years, it's been a while now. ⁓ The professor at George Mason University on economics and used to sit in for Rush Limbaugh. was one of the, he might've been one of the most entertaining radio. ⁓

Charles Hundley Jnr: He's my favorite. He's my favorite sit-in for him.

Moore To Consider: I loved him, but I met him that night, ⁓ six, five, know, big personality. And, ⁓ anyway, when somebody asked him, would he ever consider running for president? I remember he leaned over the podium and he was like, you guys don't want me to be president. I'll take away all your goodies. I'm a libertarian thinker. You don't know what I am. That's what I'm trying to explain to you. And this is a great thing too. He opened up with.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Alright.

Moore To Consider: Everyone likes seduction. They don't like rape. That's literally what he opened up with. And you could see these professors were getting squirming around in their seats and everything. He goes, here's what I'm talking about. Every time I go to the grocery store, this was prime lecture from, from this gentleman that taught all these years, there was this, this is way Walter Williams went about teaching. And it was, I thought it was really good way of going about it. He said, every time I go to the grocery store and I put that gallon of milk up on the counter, the grocer looks at me in so many words. The grocer's looking at me and saying, okay, Williams, you want that gallon of milk? What have you done to serve your fellow man? And I pull out some greenbacks because I teach, I'm a university professor, and in doing so, I've been rewarded with these greenbacks. And now I want the milk more than I want the $3, whatever the hell it costs. And the grocer wants the $3 from me more than he wants the milk. So we're both mutually satisfied. He goes, now ladies walking down the street, somebody knocks her over her head and takes her, takes her wallet and injures her, you know, to rob her. There's a, there's an armed robbery. And what if I told you, Oh, but the guys that did it then went down to a local hospital and said, here, pay for this other lady that we know something about. pay for her medical care. Wouldn't that change the dynamics? And half the people in the room nodded. Well, yeah, if they robbed the woman to help this other old lady in the hospital, then clearly that's a virtuous thing. He goes, no, it's still robbery. I don't care what the end result was. So he does these one-on-ones. And the other one I loved was he said somewhere right now in, what's our potato state, Idaho? Right. Okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Idaho, yes.

Moore To Consider: He said, somewhere there's a farmer who's up at five 30 and out in the fields and he's plowing the fields. He's putting in the potatoes. He's harvesting the potatoes later. And then you're going to go to a steak house and you're going with that fully loaded baked potato and you're going to get his potato from his fields. And he doesn't give a rat's ass about you, but he goes to market with the potatoes and they may eventually end up in the steak house. And you're very happy with the potato. but he wants shoes for his little girl's feet. So he talks about the whole free market. This guy's growing potatoes and they end up in steak houses. And when you go to the steak house, you want that potato. And that's how the whole thing works. That's why free markets work because people again trade to mutual satisfaction. And I'm sitting there, I'm listening. I'm like, I get it, I get it. But when he told those people, you don't want me in office because I'll take away your goodies, I realized he was telling, you know, he's right. He's nailing that dynamic. And I think that's where we are. We can sit there and bitch and moan about the constitution of the Congress, who's there, but they're all getting rich. They're going in, we know this. They have a net worth of 45 grand and 10 years later, they're worth 32 million. If that's happening and we know that it is, it's a racket. And that racket continues to feed itself. So I think we're, if we don't change who people vote for,

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. Yes, it is.

Moore To Consider: I don't know how we changed the dynamic, but how many people are not looking at the Congress as someone who's supposed to be bringing home the bacon? That is their role. Bring me more.

Charles Hundley Jnr: True, but... people have said this before are being feared into voting against somebody. And it seems though the Republicans did this with Massey. And they did it to Massey. What they did to Massey was the same thing that different parties tried to do to them, which is if you vote for this Republican, they're going to take your goodies away.

Moore To Consider: I don't, I don't, I would, I would think that the message of the primary was more, you know, that man who's our savior, the head of our party, the head of our movement, that man. And I'm sure Kentucky, what Trump probably, I don't know, look it up. How much did Trump win by in Kentucky? 65 35, 60 40. I'm sure it's pretty good. So yeah, check on that, but I'll guarantee you that Trump was pretty popular in Kentucky. So.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. I'll check.

Moore To Consider: I think it was more of a, our leader, our fearless leader at the top needs this malcontent out. We got a guy who carries the R. He's supposed to be a team player. He's not. And I think the average person who now voted against him with 32 million dollars worth of ads, you got a number?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Wow! 64.5 to 33.9.

Moore To Consider: So I was basically right. He was in the 60 plus range against Kamala Harris. Right. Okay. So he's more popular in Kentucky. Now I know it's the fourth congressional district. It's one district and not the whole state, but Trump is far more popular in Kentucky, apparently than Thomas Massey is. So if Trump spoke, I guarantee a lot of these people that just voted against Massey were doing it for Trump. The very thing Trump was asking, get rid of this guy.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yep. Yep. Yep. I don't

Moore To Consider: He's an impediment to what I'm trying to do. I am Donald Trump. I am the party. am this somewhat, ⁓ well, he's a figure of, of great note in his own movement and history. So I think he basically said this guy's in my way, get rid of him. Yes.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Dude. ⁓ my goodness, this is bananas. I didn't know this about Thomas Massey. This is when it comes to the party. This is like the third rail. In July, 2024, Thomas Massey co-moderated a presidential debate for third party candidates held by the Free and Equal Elections Foundation. For them, that was enough. Enough is enough, in my personal opinion. We've talked about this before. No, no, listen what I'm saying. He co-moderated a presidential debate for third party candidates held by the Free and Equal Elections Foundation.

Moore To Consider: them being the voters of the fourth district. Right? Right? So what you're saying is the party types that support Trump, that was enough. Eventually it had to trickle down to the members of the Republican Party in the 4th district.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I'm saying both parties. Now he's doing something against both parties because that's the last thing they want is free equal elections. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: No, I understand that that's a major foul, you're identifying as a major foul. But what I'm saying is at some level, the long and the short of it is the voters. And that's another thing. I guess in a primary election like that, it is only open to registered Republicans. Do we know that?

Charles Hundley Jnr: I'm not sure about Kentucky.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, I don't know if it's a cross party voting on something like that or not. Now that would be interesting if anybody can just walk in that's a member or a resident from the fourth district. If anybody could walk in, would Democrats have wanted to cross over and vote? Well, we need to know that to make that assertion, but it would be interesting to see if Democrats would have wanted to matter as well.

Charles Hundley Jnr: So, real quick, his last primary...

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: He won with 76 % of the vote.

Moore To Consider: and he just lost 55-45.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, right. The election, he pretty much ran unopposed. He got 99.6 % of the vote.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: So you have to ask, why did they change this time? And I'm going to go with there was an outside entity who didn't like that he was not going to send money to vote to send money to them any longer.

Moore To Consider: Okay, tie the bow on that.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Can't have that. Can't have that.

Moore To Consider: Tie the bow.

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ whoa.

Moore To Consider: It's an assertion.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Okay, you've seen the APAC, the APAC, what do call it? Yes.

Moore To Consider: All right, real quick, I got an answer. ⁓ No, Kentucky has a closed primary system. You can only vote in if you're Republican. I'm sorry, go.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Okay. Thomas Massey got zero money from APEC.

Moore To Consider: Okay. And I've heard him talk about, saw him talk about that on the Tucker Carlson show.

Charles Hundley Jnr: other dude got like 10 million dollars.

Moore To Consider: Okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: And the vast majority of that money came from like four different people.

Moore To Consider: Okay. But again, this is the part that again, I'm, I'll give you another one that I always thought was interesting is when Hillary Clinton after 2016 was squawking about how the vote or how the election was stolen from her by Russia, that Russia had influenced the election. ⁓ I would think that in my mind, I'd always be like, what does she mean by that?

Charles Hundley Jnr: That's it.

Moore To Consider: because I don't know how much I was influenced by Russia in ads or whatever that was supposed to be happening. Somehow this is seeping into my mind. If I voted in 2016, there's two things that could mean that I was so mind numbed. was so twisted by this abundance of ⁓ political advertising. that I went in and like, I'm trying to vote for Trump. I'm, oh gosh. And then I just, I'm sorry. I'm here for Hillary. I'm here for Hillary, but oh, I can't do it. Boom. And then all of a sudden I vote for Donald Trump. Like, is that what she's saying? Or was she saying I pulled the lever for Hillary, but Trump got the vote.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No. No, that's not what she was saying. No. She was saying that the only way she could have lost because everybody told her she was going to win was somebody had to influence the election or somebody had to interfere with the election.

Moore To Consider: What was she saying then? Okay. Okay. Okay. That's what I'm saying though. What does that mean? Okay. Because I would never have voted for Hillary Clinton. So if she's talking about me, is she saying that I went in there? Okay. Again, I would not have voted for, let's say I'm somebody that was on the fence. If she's saying that the Russians influenced the election away from her, is she saying that she's identifying there as a person that goes in and like, I am hot and bothered about wanting to vote for Hillary Clinton. And at the moment of truth, entered the booth. They've given me the ballot. I'm about ready to do it. And something goes, damn, I got to vote for Donald Trump. I can't control myself. There's something uncontrollably has come over me and I have to vote for him. Is that what she's saying? Or is she saying, I pull the lever. I pulled the lever for her, but it went to Donald.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No. No, no, she's talking about those Facebook ads that allegedly Russia had taken out $32,000 worth. That's it. $32,000 worth.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm. Okay. I know. Look, I'm being facetious. know you play along. I'm saying, yeah, no, I'm saying I never understood exactly what it meant. And now I'm going to say to you, you're talking about these powers that have spent all this money. What we're saying is Thomas Massey went from a guy pushing 70 % in the state or in that district, in that district within the state.

Charles Hundley Jnr: okay. Okay.

Moore To Consider: And now the sudden he drops to 45 % because they spent $32 million from four people, whatever. How does that change that many people from voting against a guy that popular?

Charles Hundley Jnr: bombarding people who are gullible to ads that are not true.

Moore To Consider: So you're saying the ads are that effective? Apparently so. I find that fascinating.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, if you keep so I was I was this time yesterday I was in Ohio listening to WLW whatever 700 is out of Cincinnati which is right on the border of Kentucky. But every.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm. Yeah, Covington's, I used to have a friend at Covington's or the Cross Run.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Every single commercial break was nothing but ads, but campaign ads. And I don't think I heard a Massey ad. I don't think I did. It was all.

Moore To Consider: I'm just, I'm just fascinated by how somebody could be pushed. That greater percentage of people could be pushed just by campaign ads. Because there's some people, I don't care how many campaign ads you show, I would not vote for them. I know enough about how they see the world that I couldn't vote for them.

Charles Hundley Jnr: People are dumb. No, ⁓ I'm not susceptible really to advertisements for that reason. So campaign as do nothing. I'm sorry.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, I don't think I am either. I don't think I am either. just don't think.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. So, advertisements do me no good. Or should I say, it doesn't anyone any good to advertise to me. There's a chance of me being, you know, saying, you know what, I really want to buy that. It's probably one in a million. It really is. But there are lot of people that are. And you know who, what group of people are really susceptible to advertisements? The ones that are 55 and above. because they still believe what's on TV and what's on the radio. They still believe it.

Moore To Consider: Right. ⁓ no, that is true. ⁓ I know that's been talked about. I remember somebody in media, I think it was even a member of Fox. was like somebody on Fox News or Fox, one of the shows, was talking about his mom still watches CNN every night and believes everything they say. And like he works for Fox. And he goes, bless her heart. know, well, Wolf Blitzer said it. What are you talking about? You know?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Right, right.

Moore To Consider: It's like Wolf said it. So she's still in that 1993 mindset, whatever. And yeah, I think that there's people of a certain age that do still believe that alphabet news agencies are telling the truth. they're, I mean, I tell you one thing, the James Earl Jones years ago, CNN, oh, what was it exactly was the slogan now that I've said it.

Charles Hundley Jnr: And those are.

Moore To Consider: What was the slogan with James Earl Jones's voice?

Charles Hundley Jnr: I can't remember exactly what it was. I know what you're talking about though.

Moore To Consider: I'm going to find it really quick, but it was so powerful now. can't even think of what he said. Um, but yeah. Um, and I felt that way. I felt that way. I remember, um, I remember in the eighties, like Nick Charles was one of the, one of the guys I remember, like they did sports coverage. Um, and it was cool. mean, like CNN was like, And we turned out Ted Turner's just passed away. But when I was watching things in the late eighties, they're 10 years in, they're only a decade in. And I don't know, when did it kind of, when did it kind of go off the rails?

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ Well, right when CNN came on air, honestly, that's when it went off the air because they no longer. I'm sorry, that's what I meant, off the rails, my bad. ⁓ When CNN came on air because it was just only a matter time before even that one network would run out of stuff to cover. So it got to a point where.

Moore To Consider: No, I said off the rails.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Wow, we had a hard time covering an hour's worth of news a day on TV. Now we got to figure out how to cover 24 hours. Well, then you have another channel. I don't know which one came. I don't know chronologically what came after that. You have MSNBC, Fox and so on and so forth. And think about all the news stations that you have or news networks you want to call them that you have right now and what they have to cover. And we all know, you know, coming out of Florida, Fort Lauderdale, something like that, that saying, if it bleeds, leads. So you naturally put out bad news first and then you get 30 seconds of good news at the very end. And that's about it. It's all bad, bad, bad.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm. Alright. I'm saying something a little different, all right, James Earl Jones, just real quick on this. This is CNN. Is there saying all these said, I always thought he said something more than that. So maybe I was fooled in my mind was full. I always thought he said, this is CNN most trusted news network or something. I thought there was more to it, but everything I'm seeing here was his famous phrase and that great voice of James Earl Jones was simply, is CNN. Maybe there was more, but I can't find it. Now I'm saying something a little bit different. I'm saying, and maybe I was just naive and wrong. I felt like in the eighties, CNN seemed to be right down the middle. Well, everybody, okay. Everybody was anti Reagan. Excuse me. All, all media was anti Reagan. You had to be anti Reagan. know, Reagan wasn't sophisticated like the Hollywood jet set types and all the rest. So With that, this kind of went without saying he was a dork and he was just a movie actor. He should have never been president. So there was some of that, but I didn't think that CNN was doing what I saw him doing in 2012, 2015, certainly 2020, right? The 80s CNN. But I didn't think Cronkite was lying to me a whole lot either.

Charles Hundley Jnr: They didn't have any competition. How about this, man? First, they didn't have any competition. That's one. And then you probably didn't know any better. How are you going to fact check them?

Moore To Consider: Let me give you another example. Let me go down another road because this is where everything twists. And I even saw this video that somebody posted recently. I've told you about it. Mike Wallace and Johnny Carson. Johnny, why aren't you more political? He goes, there's no upside to that. I'm going to lose audience. That's not what people are tuning into. They're not tuning in for me to go with their poop on one president or the other, all that.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mm-hmm.

Moore To Consider: I kind of equally, you he dished it out to both sides, but he never gave up who he was politically. Now, do I think given his background, television arrests, he probably lean left more? I don't know. Like nobody knew. And I got to say this too. I've said it before in the show, how much the world has changed because let's face it in the last 10 years, is there anything with Stephen Colbert who I used to like 20 years ago or 15 years ago, whatever it was. Do you think Colbert and, ⁓ and, ⁓ Jimmy Kimmel and all, do you think they're political at all? And their delivery in their late night television shows? That's all they are. That is the show. Shit on Trump. That is the show. So I'm saying Johnny Carson up until 1993 is the tonight show. I never really knew Jay Leno's politics either. I don't think, but.

Charles Hundley Jnr: now yeah that's what i'm yeah right

Moore To Consider: I saw this thing come up the other day and I thought, and everybody should look this up. I've mentioned it before and I looked at the comments and it was a night. was a big Tony Charles fan, big, big Tony Charles fan. So Tony Charles comes out in the eighties and it's like the 20 or I don't know what anniversary it was. I don't think it was that many years, maybe 15, 10. It was an anniversary. I mean, it was 10 years. It was an anniversary show for David Letterman and He's doing the show and in the band with Paul Schaeffer is Carlos Santana. And then Tony Childs comes out. She starts to sing. Let's stay together. Here comes Al Green bouncing out. Al Green. Al Green's coming out to sing. Let's stay together with Tony Childs. Then they start showing the saxophone section and David Sanborn's in it. Then you look close. at the people in the backups and Melissa Etheridge is singing backup. Kind of at this time, not generally known, Melissa Etheridge. So Santana, Sanborn, Al Green, Tony Childs. And I looked in the comments and people are like, man, I remember that long day of work. Come home, late night television, no politics, no bullshit. Al Green, Tony Childs, David Sanborn. Man, those were good old days. It was nothing political. It was that level of musical talent on a show, late night TV. It was a different world, man. It's like 1989. It's a different world. You're not going to see that anymore. You're going to see, you're going to see Stephen Colbert with the groups dancing around with syringes. Remember when he did the whole COVID vaccine thing? Yeah. Different times.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I never I was never a Letterman fan. I always preferred Leno. And there's a reason for it.

Moore To Consider: I was, I like Leno too, but I liked, I liked, I liked Lidlman a lot.

Charles Hundley Jnr: The reason was that what you just said, that you didn't know Leno's politics. It was pretty clear what Letterman's politics were. also, Leno never stopped being a comedian. So even during his time hosting ⁓ The Tonight Show, he was still doing standup.

Moore To Consider: Over time. I don't think in 1984 you knew as much. I heard he lived off that. I heard he forced himself to live off what he made as a standup.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, and Letterman. And Letterman was pretty much too good for it. But you know, that's another story. That's another story. Yeah. Yeah, he was. Yeah. No, no, he was a standup comic. He was one of the past ⁓ standups of past comedians at the. At the. ⁓

Moore To Consider: Yeah. I don't know that he was ever a standup. I don't know. He was a weatherman. I remember he was a weatherman before. Wait a minute, wait a minute. We kind of went over each other. Are you saying Letterman was the standup comic? I didn't know that.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes, yeah, yeah, ⁓ yeah, yeah, yeah, he was one of the past comedians at the Comedy Store, and so was Leno. But still, it's just a case of.

Moore To Consider: I knew Leno. Okay. Yeah, I knew he was.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Leno never let politics get into things. You never knew what he was, you know, what he thought politically and a lot of people that like him because of it. But honestly, that's why I prefer him. I don't really need to know what your politics are. But now it seems though politics seems to be inserted or injected into just about everything and people are getting a little sick of it. I know a lot of people are getting sick of it. ⁓

Moore To Consider: Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: What we're dealing with now with politics being inserted into everything, it's easy to offend people by just offending their politics. And they're pretty much do whatever you want. And what we saw today is I'm not going to say another example of that. I'm just going to say. You remember Citizens United? that court case. You know, I hear people say that was one of the worst things in history or whatever. You know, we need to get money out of politics. But what they don't say or talk about is why Citizens United, why the whole issue came up in the first place. So. labor unions have been allowed to do that very thing for decades. They could pretty much donate however much money they want to donate to whoever, whatever candidate they want to donate to. And there was nobody on the other side to counter it. That's pretty much why Citizens United came up. That's why. So if you want to get money out of politics, fine, do that. But it needs to apply to unions also. and they won't do that.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, I'm still sitting here thinking about. The only thing I guess I could get possibly from an ad is a spot and see something and say, okay, I think I now have an idea of what this person thinks is the function of government, cetera. That's what I'm kind of looking for. I'm like, do I think this person fits my philosophy of where government should be, cetera? And maybe you get that in an ad or a spot sometimes, but I just, I just can't imagine. seeing a spot and then go, okay, because that was such an entertaining commercial or ad. I got to vote for that person, even if it sounds ridiculous. Yes.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Check. no. But go ahead. Don't go ahead. It's alright.

Moore To Consider: What now? ⁓ you get the face, man. When you get the face, I get totally, I, yeah, I've got to get, I've gotten a little bit more used to, just keep going because I don't know what the hell you're going to do to the response. But now I do think in history, I don't know that there's, I don't know. It's been ranked, I think pretty high. The Reagan in the 1980 debate with Carter when he said America.

Charles Hundley Jnr: That's fine.

Moore To Consider: Are you better off now than you were four years ago? That's gone down as one of the most famous lines and that's not a political ad. Now, of course, I think they threw it in an ad after that, but I don't know that's ever been a more impactful one moment. Now, Carter is going down in flames anyway, but the fact that Reagan could have that moment where he asked the American people, are you better off than you were four years ago? And everyone knew they weren't. That just was succinctly.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes.

Moore To Consider: I'm pointing out the obvious folks, you need a change. That was impactful. That was, again, it may have made its way into commercial ads. I'm sure it did. Now, many people have said one of the most damaging thing ever was when Dukakis wore the helmet and got in the tank.

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ No.

Moore To Consider: Do you know he was way up?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Dukakis was?

Moore To Consider: Yeah. And, all right. now on the, on the flip side, now the Willie Horton thing, of course they thought was dirty pools, Lee Atwater and all that kind of stuff with it, what they did. But on the flip side, I never understood. I always thought it was totally unfair how he got ripped after the question. Now who was the gentleman? ⁓ Shaw. Help me, help me, help me. ⁓ who was the guy?

Charles Hundley Jnr: I don't need that.

Moore To Consider: I can see him. can't think of his name right now. Hmm. Anyway, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Dukakis is hit with the question. They're in the debate and he goes, Kenny Dukakis is brutally raped and murdered. Are you still against the death penalty? And he says, well, I've been pretty clear on this. I am against the death penalty. I don't think it's constitutional. All right, whatever. So

Charles Hundley Jnr: the dude from the Northeast. ⁓ You talking about Howard Dean? Not Howard Dean. ⁓ okay. I know he's hard,

Moore To Consider: Yes, even if you have my wife being brutally raped and murdered, I still stick by that. And then they said he lost all this traction. falls apart. He's, he's no longer viable as a candidate because most people say most people, many people like you son of a bitch, you'd let your wife get murdered and raped and all. You don't give a rat's ass about having that guy executed. Well, If the guy takes the position, I thought his answer was right down the line, straight up with what he'd said before. It was consistent. How could he say anything else? Now that kind of leaves me with, it almost kind of left me with, ⁓ thinking that that was definitely a setup. was definitely Bernard Shaw. That's what I thought. Bernard Shaw, was, ⁓ he was CNN.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I'll see you then. Yes.

Moore To Consider: Yeah. He, he did one of the Washington Redskins yearbooks, like when they won one of the super bowls, he narrated it. He was awesome. Great voice, but yeah, it was Bernard Shaw. And, um, with CNN, he just passed away here in 2022 at the age of 82, um, born in Chicago. Um, yeah, served in Marine Corps. So, uh, that was a huge moment that hurt Dukakis. And again, I never thought it was fair. I didn't think it was a fair question for him. ⁓ That people got emotional. mean, if the guy is going to be, I mean, here's the Dukakis respond that he would not, critics felt he framed his response to legalistically and logically. It did not address it sufficiently on a personal level. Kitty Dukakis among other public figures, figures found the question inflammatory and unwarranted as a presidential debate. I don't disagree, but that was one of those famous moments. Again, for people to say, well, I don't think he defended his wife's interests enough. So if you're a politician and you say, I am philosophically and legally opposed to the death penalty, I don't find the death penalty to be ⁓ efficient. I think there's too many mistakes made. And that's been one of the great arguments is they find out 27 years later that some guy that was executed really didn't do the crime. Too bad he got executed. So there's all these philosophical and practical arguments against the death penalty. So if he holds that position and then a guy says, Hey, even if your wife is brutally raped and murdered, are you still against the death penalty? He goes, yeah, because I'm against the death penalty. You know, but people took that. Yes. I don't, I don't see how he could have said anything else. ⁓ yeah. Death penalty for a man who hypothetically raped and curtailed murdered his wife. And I remember it. And I thought he was really measured in his tone. I'm no fan of Dukakis.

Charles Hundley Jnr: at least he's being philosophically consistent.

Moore To Consider: But I always thought that, I that was, that was highly unfair, but it also kind of shows where people are. That the guy could make, he could make, he could deliver a response that was totally consistent with everything else he said and totally consistent with the position he took, which is a viable position. I know people that are kind of eye for an eye and they feel that way biblically. They, they may think that the death penalty is a justifiable level of punishment for certain crimes, but yeah, but we might get it wrong. It's too inconsistently applied and therefore they would rather not execute because they're afraid that mistakes could be made and you can't come back from a mistake made on somebody when the death penalty is administered. There's no redo. So I get that. And I think there's people that do support the death penalty in the sense of philosophically, they think, yeah, there's a basis for it. But because we're fallible and human beings can get it wrong, we shouldn't do it. I get that too.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, I understand both sides of the argument.

Moore To Consider: And I don't know exactly which one Dukakis was even, even in saying that he just said he was opposed to the death penalty. Could be myriad reasons why. But I do find, but it worked. mean, it worked. Now it makes you wonder, was Bernard Shaw, was he laying in there for the Bush campaign? I don't know. I don't think so. It might've just been got you journalism, but that's a famous case of a CNN type in 1988 asking the question of the Democrat nominee. and it hurting the Democrats, not the Republicans. to what else you got for me.

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ just a sad day for, ⁓ for the Constitution. Yeah, Saturday for the Constitution.

Moore To Consider: You know, it could be, but also don't you think this sort of identifying Once this has been identified or Massey has been identified by Magger, Wright, whatever as a problem. This might free him up to go out there and do a campaign of identification of what really ran him out of office. He's really freed up now. He's not running anymore. He won't be for a while. So he's going to do the circuit. I've seen him do, you know, Tucker Carlson. He's going to do some shows and some of these things that you suspect that you keep talking about like being some of the forces that may have worked against him. He probably be really open about that. And maybe he's, yeah, he's been open before he lost. Hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: He's already been open about it. I've heard him be very, very blatant. No, he's been very blatant about it. Not being around the bush. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: No, I said he's been very open before he lost and now he's lost. He's got nothing else to lose.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I don't know how much more he could say the way that he's been saying over the past several weeks.

Moore To Consider: No, I don't disagree. I don't disagree. And I know I'm not sounding like what I'm saying is making a difference. What I'm saying is now with nothing to lose, I think you can go on a whole campaign of America, got to reeducate you on this. I got to educate you in a way to understand what's really at stake. I just got sacrificed because some of the things you might be saying, there are forces working. that are adversely affecting our politics. Just open mic, get after it, say what he has to say. Not that he wasn't saying it before, but I don't think people were listening in the same way. Let me put it that way, probably. I think when he did the Tucker Carlson show and he was talking about these forces that seemed to be in control of Washington DC, people were probably, many people were like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now he's lost. And if he can do a little bit of bringing the receipts on how he lost and maybe where some of the forces were that ran him out, I think it bolsters his story that this is in fact the force.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I mean It's possible. I I guess every little bit helps.

Moore To Consider: You see what you see what I'm getting at though. If I run around and go, there's evil, there's evil in the background. There's evil in the background. You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You talk about that a lot. You talk about like that. Then boom, there's an evil act. There's very relatable or there's a great connection. could be made to the very thing I warned about. And then somebody sees him like, ⁓ shit, he might've been right about that. Where before it was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's bitching and moaning. He's always talking about there's these forces.

Charles Hundley Jnr: He's just a

Moore To Consider: Then he loses in this way. What if you do a tie to this $32 million that was spent against him and you start to see the receipts and go, ⁓ son of a gun, the very people he said are running Washington or certainly heavily influenced in the politics of Washington. He said that and now look who lined up against him to vote him out. After the vote out, he's in a different position to make that argument.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I- I think more people, please take this in the spirit in which it is intended, I think more people are concerned about getting to heaven.

Moore To Consider: I understand you've got that argument. I do. But he was in a certain status making the argument he was making to Tucker Carlson. He was in a particular status. He was a member of the House of Representatives, you know, in a direct conflict with the President the United States. That's who he was. That's what he was going on. And he's on there saying like, hey, you wouldn't really understand just how much of a pressure there is to fall into line with certain things. ⁓ I get it, Thomas. get it. Yeah. Okay. Now his ass has been run out of office.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I don't think they care. Dude. Have you heard Marjorie Taylor Greene talk about this?

Moore To Consider: So it looks like it gives a lot more weight to the things he was saying about the influence.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Have you heard Marjorie Taylor Greene talk about this? She has. She's been talking about it ever since she left office. Actually before she even left, she's been saying the same thing. There's a whole bunch of people that's been talking about this. A whole bunch whose reach is by multitudes greater than Thomas Massey's. I don't think him saying any more than what he's saying is going to help any. Honestly, I don't.

Moore To Consider: Yeah. All right. You and I disagree on that because I think he's in a different position. Once again, I think if you run around crying about something, crying wolf, crying, not even crying wolf, but you're saying I've identified something, there's a problem, there's a problem, there's a problem. People are kind of numb to that. Okay. You're doing a show with Tucker Carlson. They think he's bad shit crazy, whatever. But now that something like this has happened, $32 million got spent. What I'm seeing historically the most money in a primary to ever run anybody out happened. I think somebody could go, son of a bitch, damn, you know, he kept complaining about where the money goes and what the influence is. Huh. They just ran him out of office. Kind of gives some weight to what he's been saying all along. That's all I'm saying. It gives a lot more weight than what he said before he was run out. Again, if I keep identifying a boogeyman and you go, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard of boogeyman before. Then boogeyman gets me and I raised my hand and say, remember how I told you about the boogeyman?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Thomas here.

Moore To Consider: Oh Ben, damn, you were right about that, weren't you? There was a boogeyman. There really was somebody out there getting ready to try to do this to you. There it is. I just think it changes the dynamic. And again, he's got, he's got no more, I don't think he really probably cared one way the other, but he's got no more political considerations about, again, I don't think he was ever not saying things that were uncomfortable in some circles, because he clearly was saying things that you weren't supposed to say. But now I think he's even going to be more like, gives a rat's ass? I've already been run out of office. Let me really bring the receipts now.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, I'm sure he is gonna, he's gonna join the rest of the crew that's been saying it.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, but I think he's different than all the rest. He is not, I mean, Marjorie Taylor Greene, I think was a bigger star, probably to many people in pop culture, the whole political thing. I think she was a bigger star than even he. Don't you agree? Right. Well, she was a more known, but I get it. I get it. And I think that the very fact that she got into a piston contest with Trump.

Charles Hundley Jnr: By far. Yes, and she was saying the same thing. Yep. Pretty much for the same reason. And he ran her. Yeah. Yeah. Same reason. And they ran her out.

Moore To Consider: was pretty big because... Same reason. Same reason she wasn't on board with the influence.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yep, she wasn't on board. Yep, that's exactly right.

Moore To Consider: Okay. So you think it's all about this influence that you're stepping around. hear it. think everybody else hears it too, but you think this is running everything.

Charles Hundley Jnr: It's pretty clear when you look at how much money they donate to certain ⁓ politicians so long as they like Ted Cruz or ⁓ Mike Huckabee. Get all the money you want.

Moore To Consider: So the bottom line, so the bottom line, this is Charles, this is what you're saying. You're saying that MAG is not about America first. It's not about anything other than do you adhere to this power? Okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Nope. Exactly. Because that's when you look at the decisions that they're making. I can't come up with anything else. I just can't. It's not it's not benefiting us at all.

Moore To Consider: Okay. You say us, mean Americans in general, the rank and file people we are that are citizens of the United States.

Charles Hundley Jnr: United States. I saw something earlier today that I've never seen before in my entire life on the let's just say other than what we see on the news and like California.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I saw the price of diesel today at a truck stop was $6.48. A gallon. Why is that the case? Because we're fighting somebody else's war. That's all. That's the only reason. It doesn't have to be this way. It doesn't. The more people I talk to, they're like, bruh, this is not right. Why, why are here? And look, Trump is not really going to, how should I say it? There's a whole bunch of Republicans who not going to have to worry about, you know, the prime, I mean, should I say the November elections? Cause they're gone. I guarantee you that they're gone. You wanted to destroy the Republican Party. Trump did a really good job at it. And I'm not just talking about him being brash or anything like that. No, you did something that you and your people campaign on not doing. And you did it anyway. And you're going to be punished for it. I guarantee you're going to be punished for it. this election that's coming up man is going to be... I'm gonna laugh honestly. I'm gonna laugh. As those people put another country's concerns ahead of ours, why don't you just go live there?

Moore To Consider: I just keep... Okay. It seems to me that there's going to be, there has to be a restructuring of whatever the hell the Republican party is. It's already been done. I think, you know, post Trump, I think there's a different party and I think it's going to realign somewhere. It's going to have to. can't, it can't maintain this. This is discussion I got in with our friend today. I just don't see anyone. that becomes Trump in 2029.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Alright. Honestly, I don't think it matters. I think the Republican Party is going to be relegated to what it was in the 70s. Irrelevant.

Moore To Consider: But don't you think that if the Democrats went in 2028 and go on a bad four year run, they, do you think they're going to do what kind of James Carvel said? They're just going to go ahead and make themselves, they're to make the Republican party obsolete and they're going to make themselves unremovable. Okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yep. Yep. And you can think, the only people you have to thank for that is the Republicans that's going to give them the power and the numbers to do it. Because the Republicans have splintered themselves. They have really splintered themselves. If things continue going the way they're going, I don't know too many people that's going to vote for them because they're not happy as to what has happened.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, but will they vote other?

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, then they're probably just not gonna vote.

Moore To Consider: I think so too. I think you're right. I do think there's people in the, there are plenty of people who are pissed off with the direction of the wars. When we said no more new wars, blah, blah, blah. They're pissed off, but it's not going to make them vote Democrat. They're not voting for that nonsense either. They're just going to say, you know what? Screw it all. I'm out. Had enough. Yeah. Now it's that or reform something or something else grows out of it.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. No. No. Yep. That's exactly right. Yep. So... ⁓ Well, then you need to understand that there is a group of people that are influencing you to do certain things and we all can see it. And you don't want to admit it, but we all can see it. Because you're talking about that America first junk and people bought it, but that's not what you're doing.

Moore To Consider: All right. Let's say, and I agree with you. I mean, I hear what you're saying. You're saying there's kind of this voice that drives certain things and there is influence. There's influence. And the people that came on board with Trump that were hearing America first, didn't hear or see what ended up coming away, coming out of it. Right. But those people still exist.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No. No.

Moore To Consider: Can they not rally behind a new party or a new thought? They're not Democrat. They're not into woke. They're not into all the other political issues that the Democrats seem to go in. And they're plenty afraid of the Democrat party being in charge or in control, but they're also not going to want to continue to go down this road that has led to where we've been in the last six to eight months. So. They're not going to have the numbers for sure, but do you think there's going to be some type of a natural break? And can it drag? That's interesting too. There are people that are definitely at odds with the Democrat party as it's become over the last decade. There's, there's definitely people that used to consider themselves Democrats. They're like, I can't do it. I can't deal with this. Can there be enough coalition?

Charles Hundley Jnr: And a lot of those voted. A lot of those voted for Trump. Screw them too.

Moore To Consider: Sure. But now that Trump has become other, can those people that got what they believe was a false bill of goods on America first, is there enough strength between those that thought the Democrats went too far left and, you know, they kind of got away. I can't do the Democrat thing anymore, but there's also a number of people that can't do the Trump thing anymore. Is that enough? Is there some way that those people could? could bring about a new party even, something that would resemble a new party.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I don't think it's going to be large enough numbers for there to be a new party. I think it's going to be a giant, giant, giant group that just don't show up. Because they just can't see voting for either one of them.

Moore To Consider: Right. Do you see any chance that in 2028, a Democrat will not win the presidency? I can't either. I think the midterm is going to be a pretty big sweep. I think the Senate from everything I see is still saligable by the Republicans, but I don't think there's any question that the House will be won by the Democrats. And I think in 20, and they're going to spend all their time impeaching Trump. And like I've said before, I'm not so sure.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Can't see it. ⁓ can't see it. it.

Moore To Consider: They can't swing removal this time. Cause I think that there are going to be a number of Republicans that might look at a chance to say we can get them out, get fans in, get a fresh start before 2028, make them the incumbent, see roll our dice in 2028. Trump can't run anymore. I may be wrong on that. Everybody tells me I'm wrong, that there's no way that the party would oust him. There's going to be enough votes. Clearly, the Democrats with the House are going to impeach him.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Here's the problem with that scenario. They get rid of Trump and call it 2027. the Democrats are in control. Advance becomes the pro and the Senate. I'm just saying. Okay.

Moore To Consider: Right. Of the house. I don't think you're going to get to Senate. Everything I see is going to be worst case scenario is 5149 Republican. That's the forecast. You may be right, but that's the forecast.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Okay, call it just the house then. Just call it just the Senate then. If that's the case, fine. Vance is not going to have the ability to prove that he can do anything because the Democrats are not going to let him. So he's in just a bad or should I say he's just as much a lame duck as Trump would be because he's just hope.

Moore To Consider: No, understand that. Well, there's an argument for that. It didn't help Gerald Ford because he pardoned Nixon. Ford was in the same situation. He wasn't even elected. He wasn't elected vice president. He comes in for Spiro Agnew out. He comes in and then he has to carry the water for Nixon. He pardons Nixon, loses to Carter. So I think you're right. It'll be kind of the similar thing. Vance won't be able to beat anybody, but at least he'll have a shot to be the incumbent. He'll be the incumbent.

Charles Hundley Jnr: But this is it. He won't. No, but he won't have a shot. He won't have a shot. He'd be the incumbent, but he's not going to a shot. And the reason being is that if the Democrats take control, the best way to them to ensure that he doesn't have a shot is to continue allowing things to go the way that is going. They're not going to try to fix anything. And I wouldn't either. So he's going to be in a

Moore To Consider: No, I understand that. I'm not saying he's going to be in a good position.

Charles Hundley Jnr: it going to be an insurmountable obstacle.

Moore To Consider: You may be right. You may be right. But as long as he doesn't pardon Trump, he's not Ford. That's all I'm saying. Ford was in the worst position you could ever possibly be. And he still didn't do that badly in that 76 election.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I don't think it... No, I agree with it. But what he didn't have is the economy going the way this one is going too. Even after the oil crisis, bounced back and then things didn't really start getting really bad until Carter took over.

Moore To Consider: I don't remember the 70s were not good at all.

Charles Hundley Jnr: But we're kind of heading in that direction right now, just right now. So you don't need, you don't need Vance to worry about pardoning Trump. The economy is garbage and people are really hurting. And then all the Democrats have to do is nothing. They have given them the best scenario of all time. They don't have to do anything.

Moore To Consider: Right.

Charles Hundley Jnr: They don't really have to campaign. How about this? They could literally use the Ronald Reagan. ⁓ The Ronald Reagan saying of, are you better off now than you were four years ago? Good luck with that. All because of support for another damn country. And you said that you were America first.

Moore To Consider: I got, I got one thing. It sounds a vif and maybe you're correct. All things in your mind come down to that.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, not all things. ⁓ no, no, not all things.

Moore To Consider: It seems that way. always intertwine that back in. It's always seems like eventually Charles is going to come back to it's that country, you know, and maybe you're right.

Charles Hundley Jnr: V- Well, when you see so many of our own politicians being influenced against our own country's best interest, you have to think, well, we do it for this one country all the time. Do you remember the Undersecretary of State being asked a question about Aren't we doing something illegal by giving them aid? Like, what are you talking about? They didn't sign the nuclear nonproliferation treaty. There's a law that says we can't give you aid if you don't do that. And the guy's just like, ⁓ next question. Next question? What are you talking about? Next question. That is a great point.

Moore To Consider: You make, mean, look, you make an incredibly valid case. I mean, that it seems like at every turn, there is that same dynamic over and over and over. Okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, because it just keeps coming up over and over and over again where it's like this. Say you live in a neighborhood and you have an HOA and you have this one neighbor that just seems to do whatever the hell they want. But I can't do that. Of course, all the people are to be like, why do you allow them to get away with it? Well, I can't get away with It's a very logical question. And you know that whole thing about if somebody's telling you not to ask questions, that's probably a reason to start asking questions. Okay, there we go.

Moore To Consider: Sure. I agree.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. Yeah, I don't see Russia influencing us like that. China maybe? Maybe? No. But I don't think China cares as much. I just don't. I don't see any other countries influencing our internal politics like that. Having people say, oh, they're our greatest ally. I kind of think England would have a problem with that statement. I really do. Because there is no greater ally to the United States than England. It just doesn't exist. But they're trying to get me to believe that there's another one now. Really? Okay.

Moore To Consider: Well, historically there's definitely. All right, we're wrapping this up. So tonight it appears from every report we've seen that Thomas Massey lost in a Republican primary by 10 or more points. And that more money was spent from what we're seeing reported more money was spent in funding his demise as a member of the United States House of Representatives than any time in American history in a primary season. So all of that being said, you have identified what you believe to be the culprits. I don't disagree that there's, there definitely seems to be some, and if you can identify the four people, maybe that's for another show.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yep.

Moore To Consider: You said it was like coming from like four people. And I guess you're going to say that those four people have certain ties to certain countries, organizations, the like. Fair. Okay. So my going into this, all of that clearly important, but my going into this is, and coming out of this, whole discussion tonight, I just find it.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes.

Moore To Consider: At some level disturbing, disturbing, and I guess at some level fascinating that somebody could be him, Thomas Massey with his record and be considered so odd as a member of the house that what his priorities are seem to be like crazy man stuff. What's that constitution you keep referring to is what I feel like I see or hear. And again, we beat the dead horse on not a whole lot different from what we heard. many people in response to the life and career of Ron Paul. But let's face it, not a lot of people see the world the way you and I do politically. And certainly a lot of people that are in the position to have influence in politics definitely don't care about these things. They do not care at all. And I don't know that you could get enough mass of people to take an interest in what the founding documents actually said. But, but look at all the powers that have led your, you know, your average M1A1 high school student thinks it's an evil country. with documents all written by a bunch of slave owning evil people, you know, it's all of that. So we have that. And I mean, that's just a feature of all this is that system that we would think would be, cause to me, the constitution itself, the constitution itself is not, it's not the declaration of independence, which is a declaration with a message of, this is what we think the function of government, all the constitution is. is the bare bone mechanics of drawing the line on what federal authority is, jurisdiction. That's all it is. We'll only do the following things. And then there was still a bill of rights in, okay, now you said that, but do you understand like all those rights that aren't specifically said or reserved to the people in the States and you can't do this. Okay. And you understand that you can't touch this. These are all rails that you can't touch. Doesn't matter now. Everybody sees top-down government. They don't care about the constitution. They certainly don't care that it was formed to be a republic. That's for sure. Yes, sir.

Charles Hundley Jnr: This is interesting.

Moore To Consider: Yes, sir.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I mean, this is is just crazy to me. So. When it comes to the entities that donated to. To. Ed Gowron. The top donor states.

Moore To Consider: The demise of Thomas Massey. I'm sorry, I talked over you. ⁓ What are you saying this is addressing?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Also, that this is the there's a few a few entities that I'm going to read as to who were the top donor donors to Gauran rain, whatever his name is. The first one is really interesting is this where the money the states that the money came from. One is California. Two is is New York.

Moore To Consider: Okay. Gal rain. think it is. Yeah. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Three is Florida, four is Texas, five is Georgia, six is Illinois, and finally, number seven was Kentucky. Then, Maryland, Connecticut, and New Jersey. That's where the money came from for Gowling. When it comes to individual, yeah, six before Kentucky.

Moore To Consider: But his top states were six before Kentucky. Okay. Right. That's interesting. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Okay. It's very interesting. Very, very interesting. As to ⁓ the top donor list, multiple local and national outlets identify at least two billion their hedge fund managers, Paul Singer and John Paulson, as major backings of the poll gallery effort, with Singer alone reported to have given $1 million to a PAC supporting gallery. Number two, the Super PAC MAGA KY. I suggest everybody to do a Google search on who MAGA KY was. It ain't who you think. It's who I'm saying it is. As in Kentucky. As in Kentucky. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: Is that KY as in jelly? I'm not sure who KY. ⁓ okay. Okay. I didn't know if that was the code word or something.

Charles Hundley Jnr: They gave him at least 2.75 million dollars from funders including Singer and Pulse. So these dudes donated through two super PACs to Gowri. Two. Those are the top two. And again, do do a quick Google search on who MAGA KY is. And you tell me. You tell again, I'll be.

Moore To Consider: Do you know or does everybody have to look this up? We're an hour and 40 minutes in. Are you just going to cut to the chase and tell us or?

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, I think it's... No, I think people should go look themselves, really, to see who it is. Yeah, I don't like to say things and then just I want you to believe it. Go look for yourself. And maybe you can start asking you as in general, start asking questions. Anyway, that's all I got.

Moore To Consider: Okay. All right. I'm intrigued. I'll look. All right. So this, this has been more to consider. We again, did the show on the night of the, after the returns to come in for the primary, for the fourth district, for the Republican party house primary, where sitting member of the house for roughly the last decade, a little bit more change. Thomas Massey's out. ⁓ so Ed Gowrain is in. Or, well, he's going to run. He's going to run. Or, Galrain, ⁓ he's going to run for the position. I don't know what the Democrats are going to put up, et cetera. ⁓ Charles has expressed quite a bit of interest in what are the forces that we're working against. ⁓ Thomas Massey, in his attempt to maintain the seat. Again, I'm just really interested in that someone with his intellect and knowledge of the constitution can be looked at as such a unicorn. Like, ⁓ my God, this guy is talking constitution. To me that a member of the House of Representatives actually cares what's in the constitution seems to be the prerequisite for doing the job. But that's, that makes you odd in today's system. Maybe it's made it made you odd for decades. I don't think it's been a... I think a lot of people swear to uphold the constitution. They have no idea what's really in it. They don't care because it's not practical in the application of government as it's exercised. Charles, last word.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Let's just hope that things get better. That's all I can say. Keep hope alive.

Moore To Consider: and you'll keep calling for the asteroid.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes, I'll keep most certainly now. Yes.

Moore To Consider: Okay Charles, appreciate it. Love you brother. All right, we'll do it again soon. Thank you. ⁓ more to consider like subscribe comment and go do your own research. Bye now.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I love you too man. Alright, bye. ⁓ yeah, forgot that. Alright. Yes.