Cease Fire! What's Happening Now?

Moore To Consider: Welcome to another edition of Jack and Chuck here on Moore to consider. Okay. It's 8th of April in the year of our lower 2026. ⁓ ⁓ closing in on 2100 hours. We've got about a half an hour and it'll be 9 PM here on the East coast. So some things have taken place ⁓ relative to relative to the United States of America and its position worldwide in.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes.

Moore To Consider: Certain conflicts that have been taking place in the last, say 30 to 60 days. You kind of know where I'm going. So Charles, you travel the world, you know, a lot of this you've served in the military. What's your overall take on this so-called ceasefire, two-week ceasefire? What do you see? Where do see this going?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, there had to have been some sort of ceasefire because this was just going to escalate and continue on and on and on to the point where I could see more countries potentially being dragged into this. Luckily, there were countries that were saying, we don't have anything to do with this, so we're not going to get involved in this. This was completely unnecessary from the start. There should have been lot more diplomacy, a lot more talks that should have occurred before the first missile was fired. And really, if you think about it, that's kind of what happened. If you remember, hopefully I don't get this screwed up, there were supposed to have been some talks in Doha, in Qatar before this. and then the hotel that the negotiators were in somehow a missile ended up in in the hotel. So there were no talks and next thing you know the bombing starts. Well we go back to what happened last year and I think the talks were supposed to happen in Oman and by George a missile ended up in that hotel also.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: So seems like there's one side that doesn't actually want to sit down and talk. They want to go to war. They want ⁓ their opposition to be destroyed. And it's not.

Moore To Consider: What side would that be?

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ the same side that's very upset that there was an actual ceasefire that was agreed upon this time. And that would be the people who don't like Iran. Yeah, those people.

Moore To Consider: ⁓ So you're basically speaking in terms of one particular nation and all of this.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, they have an ulterior motive behind this is pretty clear. And the rest of the world for the most part is starting to see that, wait a minute, who really is the aggressor here? Who wants to actually talk? Who wants to try to avert violence? And then there's the people who want nothing but violence. And I heard somebody say this, excuse me, and I think it was Dave Smith, if I'm not mistaken, I said either was Dave Smith or Tucker Carlson wanted to. And they kind of pointed out one of the most violent countries on the planet right now. And I'd never thought about it that way. I really didn't. There's a country who can come up with this operation to put explosives in pagers. we can or they can send missiles into a specific ⁓ apartment to kill a specific individual. But we still have to flatten the whole province. We still have to flatten Beirut. Those two don't they don't add up. If you can be so precise on one end, but essentially carpet bomb on the other. ⁓ Again, those two don't add up. if you're accused of a quote unquote genocide, you kind of did this to yourself because you've already demonstrated that you can do it precisely, but you chose not to. that would be considered with all due respect a genocide just by definition. So, regardless, long story short, this ceasefire that was agreed upon, ⁓ that ceasefire technically only applied to the United States and Iran, which I found funny. So, Iran is still bombing Israel. And Israel is bombing Beirut.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, I wondered, I wondered about that because they haven't looked in all the final details yet, but you're telling me that in this ceasefire, this just between the two nations, Iran and United States, there wasn't any pressure to say, okay, everybody else play nice. It's just not in there. Really? Okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. Right. No, it's not. And honestly, good. This has nothing to with us in the first place. If Iran and Israel want to battle each other, have at it.

Moore To Consider: Well, all right, but there's another layer here and you're pretty well versed in this and you have been for years and I'm not. I could also see, me if I'm wrong, that might be a subtle way of Trump expressing to a certain nation and maybe certain figures within our nation. Those who want to continue this, figure it out on your own.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, that's what it sounds like to me too. Because there's so many people here in the United States that are ticked off about it. And if you're the president, you kind of need to listen to what your own people are saying. Really, the vast majority of your own people are saying versus what some other country is saying. You really do.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Yeah. Well, there's, there's definitely, there's definitely a dynamic in the room. And again, I'm doing the 20,000 feet overview of a lot of this. I, I, I don't know. It's a weakness. I'll just faint or I'll, I'll just, um, plead ignorance so much of the time, because I'm kind of a history buff. I'll look at things 10, 15 years later and have a much better idea of what the hell was really happening. Because there's so much propaganda and news. I'm only going gut on what I think is going on. So there's clearly a division in people that got Trump elected in 2024. And they're parsing words, people that are defending him. Oh, he never, he never said we'd never go to war again. He never said he wouldn't use military action. He said there would be no more.

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ yes.

Moore To Consider: never ending wars or, know, they're, they're chained. Yeah. Regime change was one. Yeah. But it was also kind of the useless never ending wars, you know, that we did for 20 some odd years in different places, that kind of thing. All right. So I'm listening to that. And it sounds like ⁓ somewhat viable defense for Trump taking this kind of action. Yes, it does. It does. It does in a sense. This is what I'm saying.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Regime change wars. Yeah

Moore To Consider: The defender of Trump's actions in Iran is basically saying, well, he never said he wouldn't take a military action somewhere. He said, go ahead.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, but he did say that he didn't like regime change wars. This one is clearly a regime change war.

Moore To Consider: Well, he's back and forth on that too. All right. I've stepped in it. Damn it. Shit. I knew I was going to do this. Damn it. I've stepped in it. I'm, I'm not trying, God, this is what's so difficult because Eric, he's so polarizing that you can't be objective. What I'm saying is regardless of what he said in his campaign promises, there are a group of people that are defending his actions as being something other than what he promised not to do. Fair.

Charles Hundley Jnr: That's all right. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, they're, yeah, they're myths and words though.

Moore To Consider: Right. Yeah. Yeah. And, ⁓ but I do think that our first and second golf war and sort of what came out of the post 9 11 world of 20 year engagements in places like Afghanistan is what he was addressing when he said, I won't be that guy. Fair.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes.

Moore To Consider: Right. And I think his defenders are saying that the actions he's taken is not that.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, but you can't, you can't just completely disregard him saying that we don't need to get into into any more regime change wars. He literally said that too.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, he's been weird. Okay. And that in the news, I think has been a weird thing too, because he's accepting that knocking out, this is one of the criticisms I heard the other day, killing and or knocking out or disabling certain people that were part of the regime only to be replaced by other people in the regime. It's not really a regime change. And isn't it also true in Venezuela, there was a little bit of

Charles Hundley Jnr: Get bright.

Moore To Consider: We take out top guy. Now you guys figure it out and I'm sure you're going to do a really good job of figuring it out the way I want you to figure it out. In other words, we're not in the world that maybe the CIA was in the fifties and sixties where not only did they take out the leader, they put in a leader. Fair. Okay. They made sure who the next leader was going to be. And I think it's what I'm seeing, right? That.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes.

Moore To Consider: The US hasn't been taking that kind of position.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, I agree. I do believe that that he was he was duped. Yeah, he was duped. And so on March 11th, I remember running across this and I found it really interesting.

Moore To Consider: Okay. Okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: And the headline of this was, South Korea alarmed as you, mind you, this is March 11th, okay. South Korea alarmed as US polls patriot in that missile defenses for Iran crisis. Li Jie-Muong, hopefully I pronounced it correctly, admits Seoul cannot stop Washington. So essentially what we ended up doing was we're like, ⁓ no. Iran is much more qualified for this battle than we thought. And now we're going to have to pull our missiles out of other places such as South Korea. Or should I say anti-missile batteries out of South Korea and send them over to Israel. And the South Koreans are like, no, what are you doing this for? Right, we didn't ask for this.

Moore To Consider: We didn't ask for this. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: And I don't think anybody asked for this, but the reason I say I think Trump was duped is because I truly believe that his military people were saying to him, ⁓ this would be easy one. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ Iran's military is dilapidated. They're outdated and so on and so forth. And they were wrong because Iran had been, been, ⁓ supplied by China and Russia with some pretty high tech stuff. And we, they start shooting missiles over into Israel and Israel being supplied by us did not have any defense for it. And his people, Trump's people are now looking, they have egg on their face because I'm sure he's saying to them, how come you didn't know that Iran had this stuff? We don't have anything to defend. against us. This Iron Dome thing. Dude, quite possibly one of the biggest flops of all time. This Iron Dome. Because it didn't work. I've seen the videos coming out of Israel. That place is starting to get pretty indistinguishable between Israel and Gaza in certain places.

Moore To Consider: Okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: And it's relentless day after day after day. Iran is just firing missiles. I can't remember what wave they're up to. Maybe 60th.

Moore To Consider: If Iran was underestimated and you say that Trump was duped, do you think it's possible there were people in his orbit in positions of... should have been in positions of knowledge, but in positions of advice that did know better. And they still were like, the chips fall the way we may, we need to be involved with this. And maybe, do you think that they might've even wanted to see a greater escalation? Do you think that's possible?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, I do. really do. Yep. ⁓

Moore To Consider: Wow. Because, okay, because what if they had told him the truth? Like, dude, you don't know what we're really dealing with here. All right. Then we won't do it. Nah, think we kind of need to do it. Well, you just said we're taking on more than we might be able to chew. Right? I mean, you see what I'm saying? If they had broke clean with him and told him, ⁓ in this advisory position, things that might have dissuaded him from doing it. Might that have kind of ruined the whole thing that they were after?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. Yes, I agree. Yeah, there. I don't know if you know about the firing of the generals recently.

Moore To Consider: Now.

Charles Hundley Jnr: So there were three generals that were fired by, yeah, it kind of looks like it. Yeah. One of them I found awfully, awfully interesting. And it was Major General William Green Jr. And the reason I found this one to be so interesting because he fired the chief of chaplains.

Moore To Consider: All Army. Okay. Hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: And the only reason I could think of that you were fired a chief of chaplains. Only, only reason was because the chief of chaplain is saying, Hey, Israel is bombing Christian churches. What are you going to do about it? It's the only reason I could come up with.

Moore To Consider: When you say chief of chaplains

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, he's literally the chief of the chaplain's corps of the United States Army. No, of the army. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: chaplains in all branches of the army. What, and that, that is a ranked officer, an officer of rank. What, what is he? He's a women. All Let me, I'm getting you, you mentioned a two star general who'd been fired. Then you gave me the impression that two star general was the one that fired this guy. ⁓ he was.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes, he's a major general. He's a two-star general. No, heads, heads path.

Moore To Consider: You're saying, okay, so now I'm clear. You're talking to one two-star general. He's the one that was a director of chaplains and got fired. And what was the term you use of what, what was he have chaplains? Commander chief. Okay. Okay. So you're saying a two-star general who was, I'm sure a man in the cloth himself who's his or yeah. So you're afraid or you're,

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. Yes. He was the chief of chapels. Yeah. the chief of charpons. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: Reading into this possibly, he may have given some criticism of the administration and or the administration of the war or this whatever action we want to say military action because they may not have been stepping up as it related to destruction of churches that were Christian. Churches being destroyed by the Israeli.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. Yeah. But there's really whether it be in Beirut ⁓ or Iran, because there's a lot of Christians in Iran.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, but I get that. But do you think that, that really the director of the chaplain core or whatever you, know, this, ⁓ this division of the army, do you think that they're not going to see that just as collateral damage to bad Christian church? Were these directly targeted? Is there any indication?

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, no, Yeah, because there's plenty of evidence that Israel had been targeting the churches anyway. They've done it in Beirut for who knows how many years. Yeah, this is, it is really diabolical as to what Israel has been doing in the Middle East. It really is. They don't discriminate.

Moore To Consider: Hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: They will destroy your house. As a matter of fact, they bond or should I say they shot missiles into synagogues in in Rwanda. They don't care. They don't care at all. So. I do truly believe that that ⁓ that chief of chaplains, I can't remember his name right now. ⁓ I believe that he did the right thing by by, you know,

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: blowing the whistle on what Israel was doing. And Hexpath was like, Hexath, I keep saying Hexpath, Hexath was like, you need to shut up. You can't criticize Israel.

Moore To Consider: Okay. So wait a minute. you, you know, that this outgoing two star general was, it was a major general, right? You said, okay, you're saying that he did openly criticize Israel. Okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes, Major General, yes. No, I'm not saying I don't know that for sure, but I can't imagine that he wouldn't openly criticize Israel.

Moore To Consider: Okay. But we don't know why he was, did, did Headset, did he give a reason why he was released? Okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, no they didn't give a reason for any of them. Yeah they were all fired. Well actually one of them has come out and said that he's been trying to get through the headset that hey this is this is not right. This is this is a case of aggression. This isn't a case of defense. We didn't have to go down this path.

Moore To Consider: But they were fired. They weren't just asked to find the door on the way. Now when you say not right, you mean the whole U.S. military action or the way they got let go?

Charles Hundley Jnr: the military action. He's already said that this is not right. Yeah. So these, these generals are starting to speak up. But again, I can't, I cannot come into another reason why you let go the chief of the chaplains. They're not in, they're not in charge of any combat troops or anything like that. They're only in charge of the houses of worship. That's it. That's it.

Moore To Consider: Right, got you. The whole thing, right?

Charles Hundley Jnr: They don't wear a branch insignia other than the denomination of religion that they represent. That's it. But again, I can't imagine that this guy being, as you said, a man of the cloth, not saying that what Israel is doing when it comes to bombing and shooting missiles into these, these.

Moore To Consider: No, I really don't. I really don't know. Cause I mean, I could imagine, ⁓ God, I'm just stretching for anything here. But if we were in Europe in 44 and pushing towards Berlin, do I think that there was anything not targeted? But do I think there was any churches taken out or something like that? Would the chaplain have stood up and go, Hey, This whole initiative we have to drive towards Berlin and crush the Nazi regime is all well, but we had a church the other day there. I don't think that would be sad.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, but there's a difference between now and then. And what I mean by that is precision munitions. Like I said earlier, if you can shoot a missile through a person's window, and we've had that capability since, well, the first time it was displayed. Yes. If you remember the first Gulf War, there were the videos of the ⁓

Moore To Consider: for long time, yeah, decades, if not half a century, yeah. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: of the bombs being dropped down a, ⁓ we call it a smoke stack. Okay, so if we're shooting missiles at churches now, that's done on purpose. That's not an accident because we're not carpet bombing.

Moore To Consider: It's smoke tech, right? Yeah. Charles, don't know, brother, do I think it's possible that as, again, Colletta, what you're alleging is Israel is targeting Christian churches.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Dude, that's what they've done. Israel's done this for years. Dude, they, I don't, okay. Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying because they don't care. Dude, is, this is, no, the reason why I say that is you have to understand, remember what I was saying about the most violent country on the planet is Israel. It is because of how they do what they do. Collateral damage to them means nothing. They don't care.

Moore To Consider: For what purpose? That don't care is not targeting. Okay. Yeah, but that's a different, it's a different issue though. Look, here's what I'm saying. If I got a beef with my neighbor and I start indiscriminately shooting out the window and I hit a couple of houses across the street and somebody was like, I can't believe that you hit those other houses. And I'm, you know, I'm just like, Hey, I'm firing. It's too bad if they're in the way. That's one thing. If I'm pissed at the neighbor and firing and they go, you know, while I'm at it, I hate that son of a bitch across the street too. and draw in the crosshairs of the scope rifle I have and take out somebody across the street in the other house. Then one would say, well, you targeted that person. Nah, they were collateral damage. No, no, you brought them into scope. So what I'm saying is, I'm really bad analogy, but what I'm saying is, are you saying Israel's like, you know what? We could fire and a Christian church may be destroyed and Christians inside may be destroyed. Who gives a rat's ass? That's what we do. Or was it, or was it?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. That's alright. Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

Moore To Consider: Okay. That's different than targeting and saying, okay, you're talking about the precision of their strikes. And I'm just saying that if they're firing indiscriminately and have no care, if they do damage to a Christian church, that's one thing you had made it appear that they were like, well, screw the Christian churches. We'll go ahead and take some of them out too.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. That's exactly what I'm saying. Yeah, they don't again, right? Well, I understand there two different things, but you look at the hit. OK, there have you ever heard ever heard of the journalist Abby Martin?

Moore To Consider: They're two different things. I don't think so.

Charles Hundley Jnr: So there is this, the first time she was on Joe Rogan's show, this is a while back, man, a good while back.

Moore To Consider: Okay. Wait a think I actually do know who you're talking about. think I have watched her on there. Go ahead though.

Charles Hundley Jnr: So she tells a story of the building in Israel that was used as a, if you call it a headquarters for journalists, for journalists from around the world. Well, Israel didn't like what was going on. what do you think Israel do? Israel didn't like what they were reporting. So what do you think Israel did? I'm just going to give you one guess as to what do think Israel did?

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm. I'm going to say did something to eliminate.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Exactly, they shot a missile into the building. That's exactly what they did. This is years and years ago. So no, they don't care. I know it sounds really, you know,

Moore To Consider: Yeah, but don't care and indiscriminately hit something versus make it a target are different things.

Charles Hundley Jnr: this. Yeah, but again, to us, to us Americans.

Moore To Consider: I'm just saying I was confused by your approach at first. I thought you were saying that this general might've resigned or been fired or whatever because he knew Israel was target. The way it came across the way you said it is they were targeting Christian churches. And like that's why this guy would have been opposed to this action. I think what you're saying is Israel's taken no more care in how they're conducting this strike than to allow Christian churches to be destroyed.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Okay, this. But this is my point. No, no, and that's why I brought up the whole. Yeah, that's why I brought up the whole thing about accuracy and precision. It's not an accident any longer for them to shoot a missile into a building. It's not an accident. You did it on purpose. Dude, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Not just me.

Moore To Consider: Are we back to that they're targeting Christian churches? So you're thinking they're literally targeting the church. And their upside, what's their upside of that?

Charles Hundley Jnr: upside. No, it's not so much their upside. have to understand that we as Americans think differently than they do. We can't imagine this because this is a policy for us not to attack houses of worship and so on and so forth. And we can go back to World War II as you're saying, well, hold on. I'll get there in a second. I'll get there. If you brought up World War II as to us possibly bombing a building, we

Moore To Consider: And what would be the upside of attacking the house of worship? Okay, okay, all right. No, it's possibly indiscriminately firing into an area and a church got hit.

Charles Hundley Jnr: again, I'm going down that path here.

Moore To Consider: I say indiscriminately, it's some strategic aspect to it. But yeah, sometimes when you lob the bomb and church gets hit.

Charles Hundley Jnr: But there's a huge difference between now and then. That we were dropping bombs from 15, 20,000 feet that weren't laser guided bombs. They didn't have GPS coordinates in there. That's an oopsie, but there are no tanks in Iran, so they're all missiles that are going in. So it's done on purpose.

Moore To Consider: No, and was thinking more along the line of the tanks are in motion on the way to Berlin and they fired and oops, oops, he hit a hit a church. No, understand. We're in the, okay. If you're going to tell me that the technology is light years ahead, you know, some 80 years later, I agree. I'm still at, so, so what you're, okay. I'm going to ask you for like 14 times. So you're saying Israel is like dropping the crosshairs. Hey, here we go. What, what you got? I got a Chris church. Take it out. Drop one center cut it, put it right in the church. And what would be the upside?

Charles Hundley Jnr: So if it happens, it's done on purpose. That's what I'm saying. Okay. Yes. Yeah, yes, they don't, they... Maybe I should ask this question. It's not so much an upside. They just don't care. And I'm to ask you this question. For what reason do you think that they as Israelis, Israeli government puts Christians on the same level as they are? Is that what you think? Because that's not what they think.

Moore To Consider: I have certainly heard the argument that the view would be there's no one on par.

Charles Hundley Jnr: That's exactly right. So they have no problem. That building with a cross on it is no different than a 7-Eleven down the street here. To them. To them. Yes.

Moore To Consider: But Charles, as you're saying this, my brother, there is a difference between this. Okay. You and I, you and I are these Israeli guys getting ready to fire some guided missiles. And I go, but Charles, wait a second. What? We might hit that church. Screw them. It's just another Christian church. Let it fire. That's one thing. It's a different thing if I go.

Charles Hundley Jnr: to us. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: Hey, what else sinister can we do today? I got it. I got it. Let's do this. Let's put the cross hairs right on the church. Which are you saying?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, that's it. So there have been countless IDF soldiers who have testified that they were given orders to shoot people, men, women, children.

Moore To Consider: but were they also told, and when you get a chance, lob some bombs or send some guided missiles into the church.

Charles Hundley Jnr: If they have been given orders to shoot men, women and children, do you think they care about a church?

Moore To Consider: You're talking about whether they care. That's not a targeted, that's a disregard for human life and or religious, you know, buildings.

Charles Hundley Jnr: They were told to shoot men, ordered to shoot men, women and children. What I'm saying is if they're ordered to shoot men, women and children, I don't know why you would second guess them bombing a church.

Moore To Consider: That doesn't answer the question.

Charles Hundley Jnr: To them, it's no difference. If at the very minimum, it is a huge difference between mistakenly bombing a church and purposely being given the order to shoot men, women, and children. But I will say this, which is it easier to do? I would say bombing a church would be a lot easier than putting your crosshairs on a little kid. But they were doing it.

Moore To Consider: ⁓ yeah, there's a huge difference. Wait minute, which, I'm sorry, which one would be more difficult?

Charles Hundley Jnr: So I don't... I don't... they're putting crosshairs on a little kid.

Moore To Consider: I would definitely think that's more difficult. Absolutely.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Exactly, but they were given orders to do that and these IDF soldiers have been testifying on it. So again our church big whoop to them big whoop. So what? Yes.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, all right. Okay. Charles, Charles, Charles, Charles. This has been, I hope it's some entertaining talk on the podcast world. I'm really though having difficulty finding clarity in exactly what it you're expressing. Because when you opened up, you opened up on the two star general, there might've been myth by the fact that Israel was firing on Christian churches and that the U.S.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. Yes.

Moore To Consider: military apparatus that is in the positions they're in either weren't listening to him or he raised a stink and he got fired for it or whatever. And what I'm saying is I could understand said chaplain or anyone else, know, man of the cloth or anyone else in anywhere else in the United States military apparatus could be looking at it and it's like, huh, those people of Israel don't have any more care for human life and sanctity for the church or whatever.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mm-hmm.

Moore To Consider: Then they would allow these indiscriminate shots of missiles go in and strike churches. That's entirely different then. And this is what you still haven't been clear to me on that the Israelis are sitting there go, no, drop the missile right on the church. You are saying that's what they're doing. They're targeting Christian churches.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Dude, that's exactly what I'm saying. Yes, for the 14th time. Dude, for the 14th time, that's exactly what I'm saying because that's exactly what they're doing.

Moore To Consider: Well, but you always sprinkle in though like this because they just don't care. Well, that's different.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, no, no, but you, but you're at, no, no, no, no. That's, I said, that's exactly what you're doing. But then you asked the question, what is the upside? Those are two different things. Two completely different things. Dude, you should.

Moore To Consider: Well, I agree with that. What are, I still want to know, but let's get back, let's get back and get absolute clarity. You say the Israeli government is absolutely without questioning targeting churches for the blow up churches and potentially kill those within.

Charles Hundley Jnr: The same is, yes, that's what I'm saying because they're the same as really government. saying it's okay. And as a matter of fact, we're giving you orders to shoot men, women and children. It's the same government.

Moore To Consider: Okay. Again, those are two different orders.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, no, no, no. They're not two different orders, As a matter of fact, you've already agreed that one is much worse than the other. But it's the same people that are given the orders.

Moore To Consider: No, I'm saying I think one's more hard to stomach and do probably because there's a... Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ I agree with you, but it's coming from the same people. It's not two separate people that are giving these orders, it's the same people.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, but, it seems like you're throwing your, it appears you're throwing a blanket of those who would do this level of evil or this level of, yeah, like I can't think of any other term. If they'll do this, then clearly they do this. And it seems to me that what you're alleging or what you're saying is you, you either have a hunch or proof or something that the Israeli government as a military entity. is taking directed shots at churches in other nations to destroy said church.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Okay. Do it, do it. If you have the technology to shoot a missile through a person's window, then there's no reason that a church should. ⁓ no, no, it's not an assumption. This is a technological issue. I should say comparisons right now. If you can prevent a missile.

Moore To Consider: Right? But again, you're making an assumption.

Charles Hundley Jnr: And you don't because that missile has to be targeted to do that. We're not dropping bombs from 30, 40,000 feet on these churches. That's not what's happening. These are missiles that are going in. have to be targeted. The target it has to be in. Dude, for the 15th time, that's exactly what I'm saying. No, no, don't ask me why.

Moore To Consider: Okay. So I'll say again, you're saying that they're targeting the church to strike the church with the missile. And I say, why?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Ask the Israelis why they're doing it. And I'm sure that's exactly why that Major General... There's no other possible way that these churches, whether it be in Iran or Beirut, are being bombed. There's no other explanation for it.

Moore To Consider: Are they admitting that that's what they're doing? You don't think it could be that they're firing generally into an area where churches exist and the churches are damaged? Okay. All right. So you're making an allegation, Charles. I don't know what, I mean, you're, making an allegation based upon the precision of the missiles and therefore if a church is struck, then they're targeting the church. Okay. You got it. I just don't know what you're getting that from, but if you, seems to be you're getting it from, you're getting it from the level of technology it takes to fire these.

Charles Hundley Jnr: That's not how the missiles work, right? We're way past those. ⁓ I'm making an allegation. Because that Have you not?

Moore To Consider: And the fact that they can drop in through a kitchen window. So therefore they must be targeting churches.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes? Yes? because there's really no other reason for that church to be destroyed unless you wanted it destroyed.

Moore To Consider: Okay. So you destroy the church and maybe there's some people congregants in the church and they die as a result of his Rayleigh guided missile through the window and they gain what?

Charles Hundley Jnr: They didn't ask her as real as why they do it. Not me.

Moore To Consider: Do you think that they feel like the people inside these churches are working against them in some fashion?

Charles Hundley Jnr: I don't, this is my opinion, I don't think they care.

Moore To Consider: Well, that starts screaming again about being indiscriminate and it just, if it goes through the window, goes through the window. But you're saying that they're targeting the church as a reason to take something that I would imagine is a pretty good cost every time you fire a missile and you drop it in somebody's kitchen window or through the, ⁓ through the, ⁓ stained glass window.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Hey, hey, they're not paying for what we are.

Moore To Consider: Okay. So they, I'm just still trying to see the upside to be firing on a church.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. Right, this is one of these instances where it's probably useless trying to figure out why they do it. And that's what they've been called for who knows how long, terrorist.

Moore To Consider: Well, it sounds like an act of terror. If you're saying this is just like an act of terror, like let's bomb the Christian churches, that'll get their attention, whoever they are.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Do it. They've been doing it for who knows. Do you remember the guy Brandon, I call him Brandon Talmud now, Brandon Tatum. His name is, do you remember when he was interviewed by, I think it was Piers Morgan and they were talking about his trip to Israel with his church group. There's this really famous portion of that interview.

Moore To Consider: ⁓ yeah. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: where he's asked, well, how was it there? You know, we've heard that Christians hadn't been treated very well in Israel. How was your experience? said, ⁓ we were only spent on twice.

Moore To Consider: I do remember that. I remember you telling me that. I do remember being on Piers Morgan and I kind of think I do remember something.

Charles Hundley Jnr: You were only spin on twice. ⁓ Yeah, can, anybody I ask anyone who's listening to this or watching this, pull it up for yourself and you hear him say it. so the question is, why, why is that a good thing that you only spit on twice? Because really, except yeah, exactly acceptable. And why are you still supporting these people thinking that they actually care about you or your religion?

Moore To Consider: Yeah, I believe you, yeah. or acceptable at least.

Charles Hundley Jnr: They do not. They do not. So to ask the question to me as to why is it, what is the upside of them bombing churches? That's a question you'd ask Israelis. All I can say is they did it on purpose because we're not carpet bombing any longer. They're, they're, they're shooting missiles and it's not artillery. So we know that's not the case either too far away for artillery. They're shooting missiles into these buildings. on purpose because they have the same capability to shoot through a window to kill one person specifically. It's not an accident. And it's being done not just in Iran, it's being done in Lebanon and in Beirut and wherever the Israelis decide to do it, they do it. But we make excuses for them.

Moore To Consider: Now to head Seth again, did he tell said general, major general, shut up?

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, I don't know. I don't know what the conversation was, but when I look at, yeah, he got fired and for a chaplain, a general of the chief of the chaplain corps to get fired. Again, the guy does not do anything but oversee houses of worship and, and rabbis, priest, imams, that's all the overseas.

Moore To Consider: But he got fired. But behind the scenes, he could very well have been critical of the whole policy of what the US military forces have been doing. It might not have been a criticism of the Israeli government at all. It could have been, but you don't have any evidence of that. You're saying that it smells like this guy probably had some angst against Israel and this taking out of Christian churches and therefore maybe flapped his gums a little bit.

Charles Hundley Jnr: So. Out of

Moore To Consider: And the Department of War came in and said, okay, you've been relieved of your duties. That's all an assumption made upon a play out of him being fired.

Charles Hundley Jnr: So. Every person, yes, I agree. Every person I've ever been running, been in contact with, regardless of what branch of service was, if they were in a chaplain's corps, they were people, not just men, but women of the cloth. But they also understood that the military had a purpose. They understood that. And I've never heard any of them, I've heard plenty of other soldiers say, man, this is BS. I don't know why we're doing this. have never heard a chaplain say anything like that. Never.

Moore To Consider: They tended to be along the line of true believers.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, not just true believers, but they tend to not really let their political beliefs. They don't express. They don't do that. So I can't imagine this major general doing it either. Except for questioning why are we allowing our churches, not our churches, churches, because they do think of all churches as being ours because it is our religion. That's how they look at it.

Moore To Consider: They don't express. It's not, yeah, exactly.

Charles Hundley Jnr: why we're allowing our churches to be bombed on purpose. Because he knows that this is being done on purpose. This isn't an accident. We're not bombing with 20, 30,000 feet with unguided bombs like we did in World War II. Our bombs and missiles are very precision guided bombs and missiles now. We can put them down a ventilation shaft. So if this is it's done on purpose. and Israel is doing it.

Moore To Consider: Okay. Alright, we've gone about 40 on this one. So we want to wrap... No, it's okay. It's okay. Again, I'm still a little bit, you know...

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes, yes. One plan on doing that, by the way.

Moore To Consider: I don't know. mean, these are, like I said, you're in waters or I'm in waters with you that I don't know. I don't know. I don't know again, why this general or two others were relieved. I don't know what was said and all that. I get what you're saying as to some degree of with the level of technology now, you don't have like hit one neighborhood when you fired at another. You know, it's just not that kind of thing, but I just still don't see the upside. And when one is generally.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah.

Moore To Consider: ⁓ a country of, or some entity that doesn't seem to have a lot of regard for human life. It doesn't mean that therefore, mean, it's the kind of thing in law. You, ⁓ there was the whole idea that you couldn't take someone's prior criminal history and say there are this, and therefore they acted to conformity that it'd be very precise as into character things. So while a country might show signs of, ⁓ disregard for human life or kind of indiscriminate violence and things like that. It doesn't then necessarily follow that they would have done this other thing. Certainly doesn't mean it's not in the realm of possibility. So I was just trying to get clear on, did you have information that would suggest Israel did in fact clearly sit in a room and go, Hey, take out as many Christian church as you can drop those things right through the stained glass window. Minus that I get that it's possible. It's just, I don't know where from a standpoint of like, ⁓ public relations, you know, it's like, okay, apparently they don't, apparently they don't.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I don't think they care. Yeah, look at Gaza. I don't think they care.

Moore To Consider: Um, that's at least more understandable, right? If you're in a country and you feel like you want to have total occupation of said country, not to argue one side of that issue or the other, but you could clearly see a country who maybe doesn't want certain people on the other side of the country there and say, we'll do everything we can to get them out. That's different than once you get in a shooting war with another country to start dropping bombs in churches.

Charles Hundley Jnr: In what way? Mm-hmm. Okay, so again, I mean to go down this road here. There was, I heard about this years ago about this alleged interview that corruption interview that ⁓ Netanyahu had to sit in because there's been countless dozens of corruption charges put upon him. I mean, a lot, a whole lot.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, they were running that on like 60 minutes the other night, right? There was some...

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, the reason that it was run on 60 minutes because the video finally came out. Well, but there's a portion of the video that you don't really hear about. Dave Smith brought this up years ago. Both Dave Smith and Scott Horton brought this up and it had to do with who created and funded Hamas. In this, in this, you haven't heard this argument? Okay. So in that same interview,

Moore To Consider: Yeah, yeah. Okay. heard this argument. I have heard this argument.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Then Yahoo literally admits that the Likud party that he belongs to and him himself created Hamas and funded Hamas because they knew that they needed Hamas as the, we call it the boogie man so they could do whatever they want to do in other places. So if they keep claiming that, well, we had to flatten Gaza because Hamas was there.

Moore To Consider: you man. Okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, but what about the fact that you created and have been funding Hamas for all this long, all this time? And then the most guarded border on the planet, even more so, even more than the border between North and South Korea, was the border of Gaza and Israel. You telling me you didn't know what was going to happen on October 7th? Because people in Israel don't even believe that now. They're like, of course you knew what was going to happen. You let it happen so that you could do what you would have been doing and then blame it on Hamas that you had created and had been funding.

Moore To Consider: Well, it's the ultimate, as they kind of say here in the United States talking about, you know, I mentioned this the other day, there was a sinking of the main Lusitania Pearl Harbor. and there's something that leads to all of our wars and, know, in Pearl Harbor was even study with the congressional. There was a congressional investigation to see now that's always been sort of the conspiracy minded folks is it.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes? Yeah?

Moore To Consider: FDR did certain things to basically push Japan into a corner, triggered the attack. wanted into the war. These are the kinds of things that have been argued since the beginning of time. You're going a step further and are the arguments you're making. And I've certainly heard it. There are certainly probably been times or there have been times in world history that the false flag, it's the whole false flag argument. In a sense, it's a false flag because you're going to.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. Yes.

Moore To Consider: go out and fund something that is legitimately attacking the very thing, but it gives you the pretext to go in there and destroy something. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, and do whatever you want. So was it ⁓ Bashara Ellis? ⁓ Alizar, hopefully I got his name right. Sorry if I don't get your name right. Who was the president, prime minister, whatever, leader of Syria who was the quote unquote bad guy. yeah. Remember doing ⁓ Obama's administration. We need to go into Syria because they're gassing their own people and then come to find out that wasn't true. There was no gas or anything like that. So Israel didn't like them. and they were on the list of seven countries that wanted to be overturned. Okay, all right. But we put in a guy, because we're involved in this, we put in a guy who we literally have pictures of this dude with decapitated heads in his hand when he was part of ISIS. So Al-Azhar, who clearly was not a quote unquote Islamist, a fanatical Islamist, clearly is not even close to this. We put in the guy who is. That doesn't make any sense to me unless we put him in there because they were easily made the bad guy. Dude, I don't understand this. true, long story short.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, I got you. Well, no, if we're, if we're saying there's a phenomenon where the very people who needed pretext for action set up the very thing they use as the trigger for said action. Yeah. There's a lot of history of that. There's no question about it. And I mean, another bad example, but the operation North was that Kennedy wouldn't sign off on.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes.

Moore To Consider: Now, I think it was, was it not, they'd shoot down a drone? I mean, well, basically an unmanned aircraft and go, oopsie, an American plane just got shot down by the Cubans. Pretext, go in. why, you know, Curtis LeMay was part of that team of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but why did those guys think that at the time? They thought that was the one chance we had to have nuclear superiority at that time to the Soviet Union. And let's go ahead and settle the Cuban thing now.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes.

Moore To Consider: Now you look at it 60 years later, it's still never been settled. Really. It's not the danger it was at one point, but could you have imagined some world war II types with some vinegar? mean, you know, piss and vinegar. These are some bad asses. These were the guys that won world war II that are wearing five star, four stars sitting around Kennedy, who was an ensign in the Navy. You know, they got his PT 109 boat cut in half.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mm-hmm.

Moore To Consider: And they're thinking this guy's soft because he doesn't want to get it done, but they would have gone to the lengths, the lengths of to make the American people think the things that happened that weren't true. Potentially even involving American death. And somebody could even look at other things that have happened in our history and go, hmm, don't know that that was necessarily other greater force. Yeah. So there's plenty of history. All right, let's close it up. What you got?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. Okay. ⁓ I think that this Iran deal was ⁓ an out for Trump because it wasn't going the way that he thought it was going to go. ⁓ the way that his generals probably had, were portraying this hypothetical, war or conflict with Iran. and he was caught flat-footed.

Moore To Consider: Now, when you say that, are you thinking that he thought, man, we're going to have every drop of oil. We're going to have our own government in there. We're going to have every perfect situation outcome possible. And then it got to be, ⁓ these guys are a little bit tougher to deal with than I thought. I think, I think that, well, that certainly on the surface would make a lot of sense. Cause could I have imagined the Trump would have seen like, look at all we're going to get out of this. And then it's like, I'm sorry, what?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes, yeah.

Moore To Consider: They're actually resisting and they're resisting in a fashion. No, no, they really have the goods to resist. Matter of fact, they're kind of making some noise. Matter of fact, they're kind of making some things uncomfortable.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah That last thing I'll make this quick You remember all the videos that we saw of the people in Iran Pro if you want to call it protesting against the government and so on and so forth and our people on our side were saying see look They want us to come here because they're protesting against it. Yeah Do you how many videos do you think that are circulating in Iran of the?

Moore To Consider: I do remember that, yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I don't know, 250,000 people that were protesting in the beginning of last year after the inauguration of Trump saying, look, they want a different government. were saying the same thing. Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what happened. Yeah, there's there's going to be a group of people in every country. don't care what country it is that's going that will protest to say, we don't like the way things are going. We want to change.

Moore To Consider: be easy enough to do. Yeah, I it'd be easy enough to do, yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: until you go and attack that country. Because as soon as you attack that country, that dude who I was having an issue with on the other side of town, he just became my buddy because now we have a shared ⁓ enemy.

Moore To Consider: Oh, there's nothing better than a fair, yeah, exactly. Some of the greatest bonds that we could have is to have a shared enemy, right? Especially if we know that we have a much better chance of taking out said enemy. And yeah, I do kind of think back to too, what you're saying about, wonder what kind of propaganda. You're younger than I am, but you still grew up in the time period. Remember what our thoughts were of the Soviet Union and you probably like your M1A1 standard issue, Soviet.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yep. Yeah. Yep.

Moore To Consider: You they're evil, you know, and ⁓ gosh, if they had a chance, they'd cut our throat in the street and all. Then you kind of find that they're pretty average people like we are. And then you find that under their propaganda, you know, they thought Americans were something else or something far more sinister. And the reality is they're just people.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Right. Yep. Yeah. No. Just think of how the Japanese thought about us during World War II. They thought that we were so evil that they were throwing themselves off of cliffs just at the thought of us coming versus...

Moore To Consider: Yes. Yeah, and some of them think it was the culture that wasn't it. was something to do too with the shame of surrender and all. But you're right. Rather than face the potential of being in a military, I don't know though, because when it comes to the whole military conflict aspect of they were a pretty tough enemy. were.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, I'm not I'm not talking about the military. I'm talking about the civilian. Yeah, those people. The military completely different. I get it. There are these stories of ⁓ of a family where the husband is having to kill, not having to kill. He kills each individual person in his family before he kills himself. All because, yes.

Moore To Consider: You're talking about the civilian corps that's jumping off the, yeah, right. rather than have the US forces come in.

Charles Hundley Jnr: because they thought the US was coming. We hadn't even gotten there yet. And they were doing this because they thought of us being so evil.

Moore To Consider: Well, the most famous of all. Well, I don't know how much of the, how many years was it that they found the guy in the, on the, think it was near the, is that where he was? Wasn't he a, wasn't it in the seventies and the war had been over for like right at 30 years and he was still hiding and had his sword with him or whatever.

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ in the Philippines? Yeah, he was in the Philippines. It was Yeah, not just a sword. had a serviceable uniform, serviceable weapon with ammunition and he had survived by stealing food from the locals and so on and so forth. It literally took the Japanese government to go and find his commanding officer to come to yes, otherwise he wasn't coming out and he was killing people too at the same time.

Moore To Consider: Exactly. to go and tell him it's over. I didn't know that.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, he was killing people. Yeah, but they were I'm not going to say brainwashed. No, what I'm going say is they were that fanatical about their empire and their emperor. OK, that's.

Moore To Consider: ⁓

Charles Hundley Jnr: if that's how they the Japanese were because the Japanese were very isolated. They had a unbelievable superiority complex over other people. That's why the Chinese and the Koreans to this day hate the Japanese.

Moore To Consider: Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: They remember. They remember what happened 80, 90 years ago. So I don't understand why Americans can't understand why the Iranians remember what happened in 1953. They can. Our, the length of our memory is just as long as our fingertips are. Honestly, that's what it Yeah. Anyway. Okay, man.

Moore To Consider: Yeah. Yeah. All right, brother. ⁓ this has been Jack and Charles. So we want to tell you always to subscribe, like, comment, share. Share is the last one. Share is one of my favorite, ⁓ singers and actresses of all time.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. Yes. Yes, she held up a long time.

Moore To Consider: ⁓ God, man, I catch a lot of heat about that too, that I just always thought she was wonderful and people will look at me sideways, but yeah. I don't know. think they associate it with the many people out there that do shows where they dress as her. think she has a following in certain areas. ⁓ But I was like, I just loved her. Sonny and Cher when I was a kid loved her.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Why? Really?

Moore To Consider: I just, just always love Cher. She's an interesting cat. She's, she, she was good in some movies though. Holy cow. Moonstruck. She was great in mask. you know, yeah, she, she's a great actress and a great, she's a great entertainer and she loved it. She loved her David Letterman. Remember some of the exchanges with Letterman? Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, she did. And didn't the people with the whole Naval ship getting some trouble over shooting that video?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah she looked great. Yes she is. Yeah, very good. Mass, yeah. ⁓ yes, and had some really nice outfits. I'm sure they did.

Moore To Consider: Turn back time. Yeah, I think there's some people that literally, or was that a retired, was that a retired chip? I don't know, it looked awfully modern at the time.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, I think it was a battleship and I think it was still active.

Moore To Consider: It was a battleship and I think it was, ⁓ it was, it was over in San Diego, I believe where they filmed it. Yeah, I think so. Hell, can look it up. There was somewhere there, but okay. God bless you brother. And, ⁓ we'll do again. They will do a show again really soon. Thanks.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I think so. Same to you. Okay then, alright bro.