Birth Tourism & Birthright Citizenship: The Hospital Loophole No One's Talking About

Charles: I'm gonna give everybody a warning here. This is A Hole Charles.

Jack Moore: Air it out, air it out. Yeah.

Charles: We allow you t we allow your baby to become a citizen, but your ass has got to go back home. Now what? You got a choice. Either you leave your child here, because they're a citizen, you're not, or both of y'all go back. You make the choice, mom. What are you gonna do?

Jack Moore: You're saying it'll leave the child.

Charles: I will leave it up to them.

Jack Moore: Welcome to more to consider, Jack and Charles. Birthright citizenship has, I don't know if you would call it unintended consequences, but there's a lot of things that are kind of flowing out of this recent decision of the Supreme Court addressing this executive order of Trump and getting into this question of a definition of birthright or of the birthright citizenship argument from the 14th Amendment, et cetera. So I these are interesting things because that are going on in the news. We have the one story here from about a what two weeks ago, Texas officials are investigating Mission Regional Medical Center in Mission, Texas over allegations it marketed birth packages to foreign nationals to profit from birth tourism, which Texas says exploits US citizenship rules. The hospital denies any unlawful activity. And says the marketing materials are no longer in use. So getting into this question, let me just check that date really quick. I think I think it's been here the last couple of weeks, maybe. this story first came out. Well, there's a story here, July 15th. What's today? The 17th. So there's been an up, there's been an update on this story in the last 48 hours or so. We're we're recording on the 17th. So this is still a fairly new story. Okay. This has been going on for some time, but what are the allegations? Texas officials are investigating Mission Regional Medical Center for alleged marketing birth packages. they're asking expectant mothers to travel to the U.S. to give birth, allowing their children to obtain U.S. citizenship. Key details. The marketing practice is. The hospitals accused, and they are doing this. They they were in Mexico across the border in Mexico with billboards. Call 1-800, we'll have your baby here. Come get your ass over here and let's do it. I mean, that's kind of thing was going on. Profit from birth tourism. Officials claim that this marketing exploits US citiz citizenship laws, allowing parents to secure citizenship for their children.

Charles: Mm-hmm. Okay.

Jack Moore: Now, Governor Abbott gets involved with this, gives a directive. He ordered an investigation into the hospital's practices, emphasizing that such exploitation of the healthcare system will not be tolerated. Hospitals response they denied any, denied any wrongdoing. Mission Regional Medical Center denied any involvement in unlawful activities, and they discontinued this type of marketing. The implications of birth tourism, birth tourism. is the practice where parents travel to countries where birthright cit birthright citizenship laws are available to secure citizenship for their children. In the US, this is facilitated by the 14th Amendment, depending on how you want to read that. And in a what, five, four decision, we got a certain reading. this practice has raised concerns about the potential exploitation of the immigration laws and healthcare resources. Now I will say up front, And I'm kind of looking through the facts, looking through the facts, and I'm gonna look through the facts again as I get your take. There's a major thing here, and that would be what they're saying in the marketing. Cause I understand there's like a C section cost and a, you know, your regular routine delivery minus the C section. So we give a couple of costs. I think it was $3,600 versus $5,500 if it was a C section. So they'll get they're putting they're putting what what are they really advertising? Hey. We're a medical center. We're near the border. We're in Texas, but we're on the crop, we're across the border. You guys, young ladies in Mexico, you want to come over here and have the baby here. There is an argument that could be made. They're advertising for the finances they gain in doing the procedure in the U.S. What would I would think would be questionable though is do they go further to say, hey, by the way, here's an added benefit, and the reason for you to pay the money, you're going to get your kid as a United States citizen. I don't know that that was in the language. Now what's what's your reaction to all of this?

Charles: Well, first of all, how come they're not offering the same package to American citizens?

Jack Moore: Don't know that they're not. This is something that's well, we don't know that. What we know is that they're putting up a billboard in Mexico. I don't know that they I don't know that they have I don't know that they don't have a local billboard, same rates, you know, same procedure. I don't know.

Charles: Well I Well, I understand, but It's not something that I've even ever heard of when it comes to hospitals. Them putting up their their their putting up their their prices, which makes me think that they're doing this for ulterior motive. They have to be. They're trying to attract people to come across the border.

Jack Moore: I I agree with that too. Yeah. brother, brother, I think, brother, I think that's absolutely what they're doing. We're looking at the question of the technicalities that might get them out of danger. again, you you know this is a whole subtlety thing. You could put up a sign in Mexico, hey, come have your baby. You want to do it this way? It's a cost. Here's the other way to do it. Then if Governor Abbott says

Charles: Yeah.

Jack Moore: I just I just think this is egregious. You can't cross that line. I go, what what what line? We never said anything about the child would be a citizen after that. We didn't say that. But if they wrote, added benefit and kick us ten percent extra for doing this for you, we're gonna get your kid to become an American citizen. I don't know that they said that. I I'm looking real right real I wanna kinda see that. I I know I saw it. Yeah.

Charles: Right. Yeah. No. Yeah, I don't I seriously doubt they're gonna say something like that for the fact that they will understand what the backlash will be. And

Jack Moore: Yeah, I don't know that they really give a shit, to be honest with you. I mean, look. Go ahead.

Charles: But also but also they're not saying come here illegally. They're just saying these are what our prices are.

Jack Moore: No, you're right. Y you're you're right, yeah.

Charles: So technically, I don't see anything wrong with what they're doing. Legally, I don't see anything wrong.

Jack Moore: Well, we Right. Well, that's it. That's just it. We we could say something's terribly immoral, but it's not illegal. Or we could say, I don't really care, or all all the word all of that in between. yeah, again, I'm seeing it reported by what you would consider more right wing sources, and they're seeing a real problem with it. yeah, I I'm with you. I I don't know, 'cause it there's a couple of things that went through my mind. And one of them's almost like facilitating a crime, you know. So like let's say that we still consider crossing the board border illegally illegal. I don't know that we do, but let's say that we did. Let's with let's say that there's laws related to how one crosses the border. Are you eliciting illegal activity? are you are you eliciting

Charles: Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: illegal, what's it, practice? What's what's the term I'm looking for? activity is not the word I'm after. But well, I'm kind of looking for behavior, a criminal behavior. Let's go with that. Are you facilitating indoor encouraging someone to act in an illegal manner by saying, what if all they said was, you know, you want your baby in the best hospitals in the US, right across the border. Come do that and hear the cost.

Charles: Activities.

Jack Moore: If then they were approached by state or federal officials, like, what what are doing? You're you're basically putting this down in Mexico, knowing clearly well, not all, but some that may cross the border for this procedure are illegally entering. They're like, We never said anything about how you entered. All we said was, right. And then again, is there not, is it possible that some expectant mother in Mexico, X number of weeks in?

Charles: Right. Exit. Yeah.

Jack Moore: Could look at this and say, you know, I think Jimmy the husband might be able to pull off legally get me across the border. I mean, you know, we we we go through the procedures to say we're gonna go over to visit, but we know while we're Mexican citizens, we're not US citizens, when we get over there, we're gonna be able to establish the American citizenship of our child. So I don't know that they necessarily have to be legal. But but that's really the question is can you and and it also made me think, and now I've been 30 years since I was first when I passed the bar of his first license to practice law. It's not the same, but I kind of it kind of crossed my mind. When I first some of the ethics that we were taught in our legal education was the advertisement thing, you know, the chasing ambulances. That's kind of what lawyers have gotten bad reputations for. And it was

Charles: Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: I think it was partly run by the practices being a little bit less than dignified. You know, you're not supposed to go out and solicit business. You're not supposed to go out and do something in the legal profession that seems less than savory, you know, because you're you're a lawyer and you're of a higher calling. So you let people come to you. Well, hell, I kind of thought the same thing about hospitals. Like

Charles: Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: I thought in the medical care field, now I do know when it comes to cosmetic indoor elective stuff, like Jimmy's nose jobs or something that you see on the street or do your breast augmentation. I mean, okay, I get it, because it's part of the medical field, but you kind of think like that's people choosing to alter their appearance or something. I get it. People advertise that. But I've never seen like get your gallbladder removed here, you know, or get your gallstones removed or something like that on a billboard.

Charles: Mm-hmm. No. Nothing nothing where it's an emergency surgery. Or it's always elective.

Jack Moore: There's a little Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, I d I do see I do see hospitals. Well, I I you say that, but I do see hospitals often though that we have the best heart or cancer ward, you know, we have the best department. yeah, I mean, I I do think that there is a sum of the aver but just advertising in the hospital field is does something seem unsavory about that to you?

Charles: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean I I literally could go go an hour about the unsavory part, you know, such as something as simple as getting a CAT scan in a office or clinic. You would think that if you have the money to pay for a CAT scan machine, then you should be able to get one, right? No, you can't. A there there used to be, I don't know if it's still that way, a limit

Jack Moore: Yeah.

Charles: Of CAT scan machines that that could be in a a certain radius. And you're like, what difference does make? Well, in the area that we live, we have a very large hospital group in Norfolk. And that hospital is owned by a well, hospital group. Well, there was another hospital.

Jack Moore: Wow. Mm-hmm.

Charles: down the road, maybe three or four, technically three or four miles away, maybe a little bit further, in Chesapeake that wanted to get a CAS can machine. They couldn't do it. Because the one in Norfolk had one. Which doesn't make any sense. And so this is a case of of the hospitals petitioning to politicians and saying that, hey, to help keep out the competition

Jack Moore: Wow.

Charles: We're gonna make laws that you can only have these machines, so many of these machines in a certain radius. I don't understand that. But that's what they're doing. yeah.

Jack Moore: I don't either. n well, I mean, I don't I don't even know when it and the only thing I can think of was to protect the profitability if there's too many of it runs down the cost maybe or something, and they don't get back the investment of having the sh I don't know who the hell knows. Doesn't seem like it makes right, it doesn't make right, right. Well that's true. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, yes, to regulate it in that manner. But we're missing something, I'm sure. There's probably some reasonable explanation, however unreasonable that might be. There there's something, I guess. But I agree with you, like

Charles: Yeah, but for us that's the best thing. Yeah. And

Jack Moore: How could having more of a particular type of medical equipment that could do a diagnostic or whatever, like why would that be? Who who is injured by that and to the degree that they're going to regulate? Yeah, I I agree. All right, I got some information on the other. You know, what I was kind of talking about. Texas officials are investigating the mission region we talked about. after a Spanish language billboard in Mexico advertised birth packages in South Texas.

Charles: Right. Yeah.

Jack Moore: With natural birth coming in at 3950, 3950, and C section 5525, and directed viewers to a now offline website. Now, again, that does not tell me what I'm actually after is. Does at any point it say, and by the way, you can have your child become a US citizen by being born across the border. I don't see that. I don't see it in any of this. So I I think that Abbott jumping at this, first of all.

Charles: Excuse me.

Jack Moore: Let's face it. And I I can imagine what the people in Texas have gone through, especially in the last administration with Biden. I mean, I heard all the stories about just people just walking through and, you know, and people that live near the border were scared to death because they didn't know who was going to show up in their front yard. So I can understand why especially the people of Texas were quite upset with the policies of the last administration. But I do think I'm not trying to be, you know, totally critical of Abbott, but This is catnip right here, right? I mean, for the base to go after and say, hey, those bastards are, you know, trying to bring maybe they are. It may maybe maybe they are, but I think it would be important somewhere in the message that they're saying, and by the way, the child gets to be a US citizen. Otherwise, it just looks like to me, although it may be again unsavory, they're just like advertising how much to do this birth or that birth and this procedure and that procedure. Hey, come on by.

Charles: Yeah, I

Jack Moore: It does seem weird to advertise such services in a foreign country, but yeah, talk to me.

Charles: I don't see anything illegal about it.

Jack Moore: I can't see it either. And and again, after this ruling, I don't know. And you you well, before we talked about this, you know, on the air, so to speak, you made a good point. Did not the Supreme Court just sort of say if the mother is on US soil, not a resident, not domiciled, and illegally on said soil, she has a baby, the baby's baby's a US citizen. Right?

Charles: Right. Yeah.

Jack Moore: I kind of got what they said was well, we don't care about the legal status. I think we also would say if it was a foreign ambassador, kid's not a US citizen. Say right, right? Right. So if the person's legally here under some kind of status representing another country, whatever, that that child is clearly not a US citizen. But if someone snuck over the border, or however, that that person is a US citizen, so if they made that determination.

Charles: Which doesn't make any sense. Right. Yeah, that person is.

Jack Moore: I don't again, I still think that the that the code, the US code would define the status of certain people on the soil as illegally on the soil, but they're kind of getting to the point that so what? And I don't know if then the then a a hospital administrator, whoever decides to come out with this advertisement, is sort of

Charles: Do it.

Jack Moore: Goosing people to cross the border to have the child. I don't know that that would be, like I said, sort of eliciting criminal behavior. It it may be, but I don't know what the penalty would be.

Charles: I don't think so. Yeah, but I don't think it's even enticing people to come here illegally because all they're saying is these these are our prices. That's it. What if what if it was a car dealer?

Jack Moore: Well, that that's the argument you that's the argument you would make in defending them, but I do think they could very well be enticing people to do this because they're saying, Hey, it may not be that it may not be that easy for you to cross the border and have the child. We're here for you on that. but I don't know. Those costs, I don't know that those costs are that achievable for some people. I'm not assuming everybody in Mexico is impoverished, but I think a lot of Mexicans that were probably would be very happy to be born in Mexico, remain Mexican and have their baby there and they're well off and in their system and like who would really want to cross the border and do a fifty five hundred dollar procedure to get their kid a U

Charles: No no, but r but remember, they're not paying that anyway, because that is technically considered an emergency s procedure. And by law the hospital has to see them. They have to provide.

Jack Moore: Now man, you're really, yeah, you're really running God. The the amount of mental gym no, well, the amount of mental well, it depends. I mean, I think the amount of the medical gymnastics or or mental just gymnastics that come from all this, I think you're right. If she's on the door and she's clearly at that stage where something needs to be done, she's reached a point where clearly that's going to be covered. What they seem to be saying though.

Charles: Am I right though?

Jack Moore: I may mean I may be misreading this, but they seem to be saying, hey, you that are in Mexico, come up with 5,500 for the. I mean, this the plan C section, I could see it, but if you're going to do the natural birth 3950 route, get your money together, come on over. You know, we got a bed for you. We'll take care of the procedure. It's coming out of your pocket, but you're buying your kid US citizenship. To get to, yeah. But I mean, otherwise, but but otherwise.

Charles: That's possible, but

Jack Moore: All right, so let's say that you're the next door neighbor and you overhear it. You overhear the advertisement being sold. Like, screw that. What? Don't go pay them thirty nine fifty. Just go over there and lay out in front of the middle of the street, you know, like where where they where they have the emergency pickup and just wait till you're right at birth and then just walk on in and you'll get the procedure for free. Right? I mean, I guess.

Charles: Rem r remember back during COVID that there was a hospital group down in Houston, I think it was, that was firing doctors and nor and nurses because they didn't want to get the jab. Remember that?

Jack Moore: I absolutely w the one of many industries in which that was being imposed, yeah.

Charles: Okay, but specifically I'm talking about the hospital group in Texas. Which w which would make you think that these people were pretty much on the left side of the aisle? I wouldn't put it past this same type of hospital group in Texas that are saying, we need to continue letting these people come in here illegally. And yeah, we're gonna help them out by doing this. I'm not gonna put it past them.

Jack Moore: Yeah. All right. Yeah. At some level, I'm trying to sort out all the motivations and the rest. Some of it may be that it's a cover to like give this kind of menu of, hey, you get this procedure, it's this. It just seems to be like an advertisement. It is soliciting business at some level, but that might be a cover for they don't give a rat's ass if that get paid or not. Let the let somebody, you know, let some government agency through some other form pay it. They're just trying to get more people over.

Charles: Yeah. That's dude, 'cause that was the next w the next question I was gonna ask. So if they don't pay, who actually covers the cost? I wonder is it the federal government?

Jack Moore: Well, okay, that then that brings up, let's say that they entice said person. There's a person in Mexico, they're 23 and a half miles away from the border. They see this. Hey, got a border hospital just across the border. We'll figure out a way to cross, which might be more difficult now than ever, but no, no, no. They find a way to cross. Is there that question they get there and they're like, hey, we got 1 800 have my baby? We're here. And so let's let's take care of it. Is that hospital? Especially if she's very close to time of delivery, are they gonna go, yeah, fill out this paperwork, show us insurance cards if you had it or bring out some cash? We don't have that. Are they gonna turn them away? Are they gonna kick them out? Right. So it's right. So, so I'm saying that's when it becomes like maybe hospital played the game of come on over here for our $4,000 to $5,500 procedure, but winking and nod, just show up, just get here.

Charles: They can't by law. They can't by law. Yeah. That's

Jack Moore: We'll take care of the rest. I don't know. It's it's a weird, it's yeah. And it's also weird that when Abbott squealed, they took it down.

Charles: Yeah. Again, that's why I brought up the whole COVID hospital thing. That there are people who are on the left side of the aisle that are running a lot of these or some of these hospital groups that are probably probably sad that not as many people are coming across the border.

Jack Moore: All right, so let me I think this is what you're saying. You think, given the politics potentially of some of these people that probably run these hospitals, you think it's more likely that they're running this thing not to gain a greater profit by getting some more business across the border. They just want more people coming in and establishing citizenship through their kids. Or establishing yeah.

Charles: That but that leads to the other question who's paying for it when they don't pay? More than likely it's the federal government.

Jack Moore: Yeah, and but those sure. Yeah, but I if if these are aspects of ideology, this is, you know, whatever their worldview is type of thing. I don't know that they care so much about whether the US government is paying for it. They would squawk if the US government didn't step up to take care of people in these situations that were in medical need. But I think it might just be more of

Charles: So they're killing two birds and one stone. Mm.

Jack Moore: From their view, they want to see more birthright citizenship of those coming from across the border and to have children. And I don't think, yeah, and I don't think their main motivation is, yeah, we can sock it to the government, make the government pay for it. They just assume that. Like, I mean, you know, government paying for everything, they just assume it's being a a birthright, yes.

Charles: Yeah, I I agree with that too. Well but Remember the hospitals that were affected the most in the late nineties when they passed that law that is mandatory for an emergency room to see anybody for any reason were the hospitals on the border. They were the ones that were most affected by it. So where's the money coming from to treat those people? I'm just about gonna guarantee that it's probably from the federal government. And again, I hate to keep going back to COVID, but remember

Jack Moore: Yeah. Yeah. yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Charles: Hospitals were paid per COVID diagnosis by the federal government. There was a financial incentive for them to do this, for them to yes, to find COVID.

Jack Moore: Mm-hmm. There was this financial incentive to find COVID. And then of course, yeah, and then they got into the squ well, they got into the uncomfortable aspect of COVID deaths. And I know the most famous one, I think I said one state, you said another. And I'm not sure which one of us is right. You're probably right, but there was a famous state where a guy tests positive for COVID at 30. I think that was kind of the the the garden variety story, the urban myth story. But he gets diagnosed.

Charles: Yes. Mm.

Jack Moore: He has no real symptoms of any kind. He runs underneath of a vehicle or something on a motorcycle, or he's killed the next day on a motorcycle and gets counted as a COVID death. So I heard a doctor talking about that on Fill in the Blank podcast. And he goes, Well, to give an explanation, they had to come up with a system. And it was sometimes there's going to be so many comorbidities, so many different things that might have taken Jimmy or Billy or Sally out that they had to kind of define a line like, okay, from a diagnosis of COVID.

Charles: Yeah. Right.

Jack Moore: How long until death do we count it as COVID death? And they came up with, well, if the person's diagnosed with COVID, whatever other the causes are, we're going to call it a COVID death if they die within 30 days of that diagnosis. And this guy dies like two days after the diagnosis, and somebody's like, okay, well, this is asinine. He certainly died from, you know, traumatic injury to his body from, yep, yeah, I know, but he had COVID. And you're like, well, how yeah, well, right, but how many, but I also understand that if you're gonna come up with a system where you say,

Charles: Right. It's BS. Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: COVID diagnosis within 30 days, calendar days death, we're counting okay, they they followed that. It seems ridiculous at some level because the two things don't line up. But I also think, as you say, I don't know, you hear all the the stories and there's a lot of them out there, but some of the financial incentives to the medical industry to say certain things and to react certain ways, especially as it related to COVID. So, you know, and it's yeah. And you do start to become concerned, at least I think most people should be concerned, when there's there seems to be that much interplay between government and how the medical industry reacts to anything. Because you know, and yeah, I've got I've seen all the hearings with Ron Johnson, the senator, all this stuff from COVID. I saw that thing from hearings like three years ago, and there's doctors in there.

Charles: Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: losing their license or their privileges to practice in certain hospitals because they won't follow protocol. And I remember this one doctor, he flat out said, he goes, you know, Senator Johnson, you want you want to hear a really sad one? I had a 60-some odd year old woman called me and said, my 86 year old mom just got diagnosed with COVID. And he said, go to the fill in the blank pharmacy. Go to the back door. Don't look, don't, don't speak to anyone, just go to go to the the the to the drive in.

Charles: Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: Get the bag, look, don't look back, take your mom straight home, give her administer said medicine, don't tell a soul. At 48 hours, she was fine. And the doctor said, Senator, if I told her to go to a hospital, she'd been dead in 48 hours. And he gave her, he prescribed certain things. And and and he was literally like, I told the 60-some old year old, 60-some odd-year-old woman with the 86-year-old mom, don't look at the pharmacist in the eye.

Charles: Mm-hmm. Wow. Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: Don't make any sudden movements. Just get in and get the stuff and get out and don't tell anyone. He's saying this because he said, I know if they take her to the hospital, they're gonna go with the treatments that are being accepted. She'll be dead. She's 86, she won't survive this. Yes. And you know damn well what he probably prescribed. Some of what he prescribed. I didn't say that, damn it, Charles. I didn't say anything. We're not we're not going letters.

Charles: Okay. Of course. The big eye, yes, of course. I just said I just said the big eye.

Jack Moore: We're not going letters. We're not going you mean E E Y E? Like as in C B S used to have that spooky Did I say C B S? I didn't say

Charles: The big EYE Yes Yes Yes

Jack Moore: C V S as a pharmacy. Okay, so we're not using any of that. I don't think that'll get us any trouble, will it? Maybe.

Charles: Ha ha hey I said the big eye. That's it. But yes, EYE. Yes.

Jack Moore: You did that. And that's as far as we're going. okay. Yeah. So also in the news. Yes. I got it, brother. Yes, good. All right. Also in the news, a pregnant Nigerian woman was stopped at an airport in the United States of America due to concerns about her birth tourism, which has reignited discussions about birthright citizenship laws, despite having a valid visa.

Charles: Mm.

Jack Moore: She was advised to return to the US Embassy for further verification of her travel plans. A pregnant Nigerian woman was stopped. The incident has sparked renewed interest in this. And all right, so what are the what are the details on the incident? She's yeah, go ahead. Talk to me. Hmm?

Charles: Well, okay, first of all I'm getting two different stories. Two different stories 'cause th at least some of the details seem to be different. And it says that the the footage shared on X shows a woman being stopped from traveling to the US by a UK immigration officer named Sarah, who expressed concerns about the implic implications of birth tourism. The video's caption highlights the controversy saying babies born in the US get automatic citizenship, a massive loophole loophole, UK babies don't. In the video, the woman reveals her plans to travel to the US following the following day to visit her sister with a return flight scheduled for May 16th, just weeks before her due date of June fifth. When questioned by Officer Sarah, about whether she disclosed her pregnancy during her visa application, the woman admits that she did not, explaining it did not come up. This exchange raises questions about the transparency of her travel intentions and the potential risks associated with flying at such an advanced stage of pregnancy. Which is one of the things that doctors once you get to a certain point, doctors say, You don't you should be flying, okay? Despite

Jack Moore: Yeah. Right. Let me say something real quick. Let me say something. What I read from said in US and you're correct, she was stopped from coming into the US. So this first part of this is incorrect. Further it becomes correct in the same thing I'm reading, but going to another source, it's saying that she was stopped from coming into the US. Now you say in the United Kingdom.

Charles: Right. Right. No, she was in she was in the United Kingdom. Yes.

Jack Moore: So she's in the UK, then next next stage is flight to US. All right. And and the well and the officials, tell me this again. Are you saying the officials that stopped her were actually UK and not American? Okay. Yeah.

Charles: Yes. Right. So Yes. Right. Now I'm getting to the this part which is kind of interesting. It said despite holding a valid US visa, Officer Sarah takes a precaution of contacting US Embassy to verify whether the woman's pregnancy status has been communicated to American officials. She states quote I just wondered if you could give a call to the American Embassy so that they can check an American visa for me, unquote. The officer's diligence reflected complexity surrounding immigration policies and the scrutiny faced by individuals traveling under such circumstances. Now, here's a really interesting part about it. As the video progresses, Sarah informs the woman that she must return to the US Embassy in Lake Lagos to present her documentation and discuss her situation further. So essentially what she said was I don't trust you. what you're what you're saying to me. You need to go back and tell the people in your in the embassy in Nigeria, explain to them why is it that they even let you why is it it that they gave you a visa when you were you were dishonest on the visa, which automatically will cancel your visa. Once they find that you've done something dishonest, they're just gonna cancel your visa and that's exactly what happened.

Jack Moore: Yeah. Right. Yeah, you know another thing in here, in the narration of the clip that was taken, I'm s I'm looking at some of the same stuff you did here, the woman expresses her intention to visit her sister in the US and return home three weeks prior to her due date. Her anticipated delivery date is June five, while her return flight her delivery date is yeah, it's June five while her return flight was scheduled for may sixteenth. So this took place some time ago. The video asserts that the travel plan would have her at around 37 weeks of pregnancy during the journey, which exceeds the limits set by most airlines. They're not going to let you fly at that point. Further mentions that while children born in the United Kingdom do not automatically gain British citizenship, those born in the U.S. typically do. Well, that's okay. Officer informs US authorities about Nigerian women's pregnancy status despite the reported

Charles: Yeah.

Jack Moore: Possessing a valid US visa, Sarah, the one you d said is depicted as reaching out to the US Embassy to confirm whether officials were informed of her advanced stage of pregnancy. This brings up another point. Who would then be most responsible for the airline policy of, I'm sure it's well, I I could see if a woman's close enough to term or to to delivery, hell, you don't want that happening at thirty seven thousand feet or something, or you know. So plus I don't know about air pressure, cabin pressure. I don't know. I don't know. There's other, but certainly there would be a concern about someone being there like, oopsie, baby's coming and now we're up in the middle of nowhere. And what if there's a complication? So I'm I'm sure that's why the policy and I don't know where the dr line's drawn at where you can get on the plane. Maybe it's twenty seven weeks, twenty six, whatever.

Charles: Well. Right. Yeah.

Jack Moore: Now we just kind of looked up to make sure that 39 th 40 is is a is is about the standard limits of maybe 42 weeks. But at 37, she's in the range of delivery, core according to what you know we we see as the numbers there. So I'm wondering she sees a woman. I I don't know how, again, what her appearance was relative to the pregnancy, but is Sarah, I mean, Sarah's gonna be a hero to some and a bad guy to others. But in the in the position she's in, is she supposed to look into questions of not immigration status or that, but is this woman too pregnant, if you can call it that, you know, you either are or you're not. But is she too advanced in the pregnancy to be on get on the plane in the first place? But is that not fill in the blank airlines responsibility?

Charles: It's how about this? It Well, it would be the same as it would be the same as if I showed up drunk. They would say, Sorry, I'm not letting you on the airplane because you're drunk.

Jack Moore: Well, and no, we would we would agree on this too, because I just flew just in the last month or so. You fly all the time. It is true in the sequence. Now it is tr well, if you go to check bags, I'm using an airlines that let's say Triple A Airlines. If I go up to Triple A Airlines to check in my bag, they're getting a look at me now, whether I'm intoxicated, w you know, whether as in a female situation, and I do mean a woman. If the woman is pregnant, you get that? I do mean a woman and I okay. But if a woman is pregnant, right, exactly. I don't know. I mean, I I think about that. You've got the peop the people there to kind of get your ticket and check your bags and all. Is there ever an uncomfortable excuse me, ma'am? I know that you've purchased a ticket. You did that while sitting, you know, in your family room on your home computer. Now you've purchased a ticket. I noticed that you look quite pregnant. Where are you at with that? Now I don't think that's go ahead.

Charles: Yeah. What's a woman though? W Well Well they have to have a valid visa to get on the airplane.

Jack Moore: No, I get off the vase. I'm I'm just saying I'm talking about American Airlines. I said or any A Triple A Airlines. When the all what they do at the first instance for me, when you go in, you can check your bag and do all that. Then you head on over and go through all the check in. I've never checked Yeah.

Charles: No, actually remember, remember and that obviously that depends on the countries that require a visa. First you have to you you gotta start there. Okay.

Jack Moore: Right. You're okay, you're getting right, you're right. I'm talking about domestic flight generally right. You're right. But I mean, even when I went out of country here recently, I first went in and did my credit card stuff to get the ticket kicked out, handed the bag, and then I went through all the other procedure. But I d yeah, I guess it did show I did show passport there, I think. Yeah, I think you're right.

Charles: Well no no, but but this is something different, man. It depends on what country you're coming from, what country you're a citizen of and where you're going, if a visa i is even required. If a visa is required, they can say, Well, I'm sorry, your visa's not valid. We're not even gonna let you on the airplane. So the airline can say that because that's part of

Jack Moore: Who can say that? Yeah, the AAA airline where you do baggage check. The first, the first I'm I'm just thinking logically, who she hit first. She she must have purchased a ticket and she probably did it online or something. She probably didn't do it in person, right? So she has a visa. Let's let's get to that. Let's get into the validity of the visa. But she has a visa, she got a ticket. Now she shows up at the airport. it seemed like to me, go ahead. I I I can see your yeah, well, I was saying.

Charles: Yes. Right. Yeah. Yeah. No, go ahead, go ahead, finish. Go ahead and finish.

Jack Moore: She's gonna have a first contact with somebody. Sarah is wearing this. Where do you think Sarah's lurking when this goes down? In other words, has she made it by the people that checked her bags or something like that? And she's thrown it on into bags checked. Now she's going towards, now she's working towards what we nor normally think of as a security check. And now Sarah pops up. Okay.

Charles: Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yes. So I've you know, I like to watch aviation videos and one of the the I think the country that puts out the most that I've seen where it's cameras following around people inside airports is England. So I've seen these videos of people in England that are being stopped by their s their immigration people like, Hey, so where are you going to?

Jack Moore: Mm-hmm.

Charles: How much money I've seen them actually have people go to the ATM machine and check their balance and then say, so you're going to well what Manchester from London, you don't know where you're gonna stay, and you don't have a ticket to to to leave, and you only have like fifty dollars in your bank account? And they're like, No, you need to go back. I've I've literally seen them do that to people. So in England, I can imagine that this is happening where they're saying immigration officers coming up to them is like, first of all, why are you even flying and you look like you're about to drop your kid like in a any minute now? so you s you actually got a visa fraudulently. You're not even supposed to be here in the first place. I can see that happening. I really can.

Jack Moore: Right. How okay, if somebody plans to travel and they want to go through this visa process, how far out in front of that can they do that?

Charles: It that it depends on it depends on the country. Some some countries like let's just say this. I went to a country a few years ago where you had to apply for not just a visa, you had to apply for an entry permit, no more than seventy two hours outside of your arrival. Then I've I've applied for visa.

Jack Moore: Mm-hmm. Right. Right. So she could have done this like yeah, she may not have done this like seven months earlier, like, hey, I'm gonna go see sis next summer. So she's Christmas time, she's doing this to plan on this trip. So oopsie, I got pregnant in the meantime, I didn't know. I mean, you're you're saying that's out.

Charles: No. I well, it it d again it depends. I I've never been able to apply for a visa any more than like say thirty days out.

Jack Moore: Right, 'cause what you're what we're saying is if she's thirty six thirty-seven weeks pres pregnant, and this is all going on apparently like in May, but whatever to the time frame is, she has achieved thirty seven weeks of development into this pregnancy. By the time she's at the airport, you're saying that means at the time that she would have secured the visa, she pretty much damn hell had to know she was pregnant.

Charles: How about this? I'm going to refer to the ultranet real quick and I'm going to look that up. I'm going to see how soon.

Jack Moore: Well, we we okay, okay. I didn't want to get too far off in that. I know I'm arguing this to make if you get make for a discussion, but here's here's the bottom line. Let me ask you this. Do you think this UK official at the airport was out of line? Do you think she's out of line though? Or give me two I'll give you two different lanes. Did if she did it merely because she didn't believe that the US should have to suffer

Charles: No. No.

Jack Moore: Another citizen from some other country through birthright citizenship. And I mean, suffering that, like, I don't like this, I think it's terrible. Cause I think she's sort of expressed that. If that was her motivation, isn't that different than I don't think you should be flying, you lied on your visa or you're pregnant? Those are two different things. They could be combined, but don't you think the motivation of the action she took is sort of pertinent to whether or not.

Charles: Yeah.

Jack Moore: This was her staying in her lane. Should she be making political statements of I don't agree with Americans having to accept birthright citizenship, therefore I'm gonna stop women here in the airport?

Charles: No, that's that pretty much had I mean she could say that all day long, but that didn't really have anything to do with her job. Her job is to ensure that visas are valid. And so I just looked up on the alternate Nigerian citizens must apply for a US visa up to three months before their planned travel date. So this woman is is at eight months. She was

Jack Moore: Right. Okay.

Charles: She couldn't have been any less pregnant if At three months. No, but she would have been at five months. Yeah, she would have been at five months at the earliest that she can apply for a visa to come to the United States. At five months. On that visa application, it does ask you, Are you pregnant? It does. She chose not to to answer it fraudulently. And the UK official caught it. It's like, wait a minute here. As I said earlier, you look like you're about to drop.

Jack Moore: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Charles: What does your visa status say? Because more than likely you shouldn't even be flying in the first place. That's what it kind of looks like. And she did the right thing by contacting the American embassy and saying or State Department saying, Hey, was this woman supposed to be? I mean, what did her visa status say? Did she even, you know, notate that she was pregnant? Because she's clearly pregnant. Clearly. She did this herself.

Jack Moore: Yeah. Y yeah, do it on the math that she's eight and a half month pregnant easy by this time. So she's in that range. Then the question would become, like you say, she's got did you say ninety days?

Charles: Yeah, now you guys.

Jack Moore: All so you're talking three months. You're talking roughly three months. So she would have been at the outset of how much time she would have had advance of this. She still would have been five months pregnant. Yeah. Kind of hard. Now yeah, go ahead.

Charles: Yeah, three months. Yeah. Yeah. So if she's gonna if if she's gonna apply for a visa, she has to say that she's pregnant. Well, next question's gonna be how far along are you? When's your due date?

Jack Moore: Right. Right. When's your due date and when's your plan of travel and all the rest?

Charles: Yep. Yes. Yeah. And the United States would be like, mm, I I don't think so. But really, her doctor would have said you shouldn't be flying.

Jack Moore: Yeah. But again, unless I'm missing less unless I'm missing something. Did not Sarah, the Sarah you spoke of, seem to have a certain degree of belief she may have been the hero in this because she was stopping. It said UK officer Sarah steps in and stops. Babies born in the US get automatic citizenship. A massive loophole. UK babies don't. Sarah's a hero. That's the opinion of the person writing this. So I don't know in reading this, did Sarah Sarah of this saga did she ever express an a pr opinion one way or the other? You think she was just operating from she kind of gets the lay of the land and she's concerned with getting in there and finding out what's going on with the status of this visa.

Charles: No, she didn't. It's her job. That's what she's supposed to do.

Jack Moore: No, I'm not I'm not c I'm not disputing, but you'd think that was her sole motivation. Right. You don't think she's out there policing for the US. I can't imagine she would. I don't think that's the g well, I don't think that's the general mood probably of most UK citizens. I know I'm overgeneralizing, but I don't know there's a lot of people in in UK would give it, you know, rat's ass whether somebody's coming to the US and having a baby or not. Some would, maybe, but yeah.

Charles: Yes. Yeah. No. No, it it Imagine this though, she's a UK citizen and she's looking at me because you you mentioned this before. Say, for instance, she gets on a plane, plane gets up to altitude, gets over the North Atlantic, and it now she goes into labor. So pilots got to do one or two things because even over the North Atlantic, you still got five hours, if not, yeah, about five hours to make it to the United States. And it doesn't say where she's flying to, by the way, it just says to the United States.

Jack Moore: Right.

Charles: So Pilot more than likely gotta turn around and ends up in the UK, where she has her has her baby. And the next thing you know, UK's on the hook for it for the cost of her baby. Regardless of whether or not the baby's gonna be a UK citizen, but a U the UK's on the cost for the delivery. Because they have socialized healthcare.

Jack Moore: Yeah. Yeah, you know how politicized all this is. When I'm when I'm when I'm reading further and further in, you know, and I read through this and I'm kind of reading back through it, it's so much being added about the recent Supreme Court when the Supremes did what they did and all the rest. And the further I read it, in fairness, I think to Sarah, you're right. Everything she says is relative to the advanced stage of your pregnancy. She doesn't seem to take any other position. But now this person who is re reporting her as being a hero is opining about how r ignorant it is to think that just because you enter the United States you have a child it becomes a citizen. That person is clearly against the view of the Supreme Court recently in that. That's fine. I mean, okay, that's a view. But to either heap on upon Sarah here, the UK agent of, you know, the the the was was she an immigration agent for the UK or is she just an airline employee or whatever.

Charles: Yes. Yes, it says a UK immigration officer.

Jack Moore: Okay, she's immigration officer UK. establishing that she's heroic because she's defending what this person thinks as keeping more people out. That's ridiculous. we don't know. We well, it may or may not be. I mean, but we don't really know what her political views are. We don't know. seeming like she's just doing her job. But clearly, for the this is where I'm going, for those who are gonna cry on the other side and say, there's all these mean bastards that don't let people to come in and have babies. Damn, she's thirty seven weeks pregnant.

Charles: Yeah, it is ridiculous. No. No. Yeah.

Jack Moore: Like the that's obvious the Sarah thing here is she may be the hero to the Trump border fan or, you know, stop immigration fan. But to be realistic, this woman, according to what we have before us, is probably doing her job to stop a woman 37 weeks pregnant to find out, like, hey, you know, you're getting ready to make a flight here, right? And we gotta check some things out. Is the country in which you are attempting to enter, are they aware of the facts that you may have child before the move before the flight ends?

Charles: Yes.

Jack Moore: But but again, I also wonder to some degree, that would bring up an interesting point too. What is really the working status between immigration type of officials in an airport and the airport? There's the one thing about travel and really the establishment of the legality of someone being somewhere, right? Then there's the airport that has to deal with. Reg regardless, young lady from Nigeria, we're we're not really into all that. You can't get on the flight, honey. You just you just but I want to go be in the mayor. You know, whatever. You can want what you want, but you're 37 weeks pregnant. And and so I know people are flipping out on both sides. Some are going to this is the greatest injustice. Poor thing just wanted to go to the yes. Should have made plans at another time or or wait three months or I don't know, whatever recovery time after the pregnancy, after delivery, and decide to go. Because just the status of her pregnancy was enough. But it but I'm saying too is Look at how it ended up as another birthright citizenship discussion, which we got sucked into to some degree. Good. I I did.

Charles: I agree with you. so this is what the Mail Clinic says about this. The question is, is it safe to fly during pregnancy? Mail Clinic says generally air travel before your 36th week of pregnancy is considered safe for people who aren't dealing with any pregnancy problems. Still, if you're pregnant, it's a good idea to talk with your health health care provider before you fly, but also it says

Jack Moore: Right. Right.

Charles: it's most airlines allow pregnant women to fly until their 36th week for longer flights and until the end of their 40th week for shorter flights. She's flying international from Unit from England to the United States. And again, in that direction, it's about an eight and a half, about an eight hour, eight and a half hour flight for in that direction. That's just to get to New York. Or to Dallas from London. Who they didn't say where she's flying. Let's just say she's flying to I don't Dallas. Go ahead and tack on another three hours to that. See

Jack Moore: Yeah. Well, there's another part of it. If they let her out of the UK into the US, they've already said, remember it was like three weeks, she had a due date, and then it was like three weeks there and flying back. So you you don't want a she was going for overnight. I mean anybody flying from the UK to the US, it's not like they're gonna fly back in forty eight hours, but or maybe they would. I think people do, but they're but not generally gonna like spend a day and then come back. You know, this there's something else going on, but

Charles: If

Jack Moore: But I'm saying

Charles: if

Jack Moore: you you gotta take into account the information she's giving Sarah is, wait a minute, you get you get here in the United States with your thirty-seven week pregnancy, now you're talking forty. And and how and yeah, now how are you getting back?

Charles: Yeah, exactly. I was about to say that. Right.

Jack Moore: And you know, there's a very good chance that US officials then may say for health concerns, you can't fly back. You can't get out of the country. And then it's like, well, son of God, I we're gonna have to have the baby then.

Charles: Yep. Right. Yep. So here's the thing. Okay, this is A hole Charles coming. I'm just I'm gonna get I'm gonna give everybody a warning here. This is A Hole Charles.

Jack Moore: While I'm here. Let's hear it, babe. Air it out, air it out. Yeah.

Charles: We allow you t we allow your baby to become a citizen, but your ass has got to go back home. Now what? You got a choice. Either you leave your child here, because they're a citizen, you're not, or both of y'all go back. You make the choice, mom. What are you gonna do?

Jack Moore: You're saying it'll leave the child.

Charles: I will leave it up to them. Sure would. I'm sorry. That is a predicament that you put your kid in. You did this.

Jack Moore: Well I think that Th I mean, I think there might be some people that might say that while mom can't stay legally and she shouldn't be allowed to stay legally because of the status of the child, should the child reach a certain age, they could always come back and say, I was born here and I've established that that is my citizenship.

Charles: they yeah, that's that's nice. But in the meantime

Jack Moore: When when they get to the point they can self self sufficient, right. Yeah.

Charles: Right, exactly. But right now, right now, the way that it is, you brought your kid here with no protection to support themselves. They're a citizen. You're not. You Yeah. Yeah. I just hope that you got your citizenship papers or your entry papers taken care of before your child decides to come back when they turn eighteen. Otherwise, we're still not letting you in.

Jack Moore: Right. Right. And when they're old enough they can come back and say, I'm I'm I'm back home, yeah. Well, okay. Right. But then there's the other argument, okay, she has child, all that's true. Let's say, what if there was an expediated process for citizenship for mothers who had children here? You know, that would certainly politically fly in some circles, and it might, you know, take her some time, but there could be a you gotta leave the country until you you establish your citizenship and then you can come back with your five year old that was born here on the soul. He's fully a citizen and now you've been ex yeah.

Charles: Okay.

Jack Moore: You've been naturalized or whatever, but yeah. All right. Let's cl yeah. Yeah.

Charles: I mean, that's fine. That's fine. Yeah. But but remember I'm King Charles the fourth or whatever, the fourth or fifth. I'm sorry, I'm not letting you stay. Your kid can stay 'cause they're a citizen. You're not staying. You can whine and complain all day long. I'm terribly sorry you put your kid in Yes, I said I was being a a hole. I'm not letting you stay here because you weren't supposed to be here. And you put your kid in that position, not us.

Jack Moore: Yeah. You're being a mean guy. I see that fitting on a bumper sticker. Say that again. Say it say it just like you said. can't stay It sounded it sounded like a bumper sticker thing. Go ahead, go ahead, talk to

Charles: I can't remember how I said it. Well okay, one last thing about this. Remember remember what Tom Holman said? It was an interview, I can't remember who it was. They said, you know, you're breaking up families, you know. And he's like, No, I'm not breaking up families. I'm sending them all back.

Jack Moore: Well, he did have the exchange I remember with AOC in Congress, and she said, You family break or whatever. And he goes, Hey, every night I was a cop in New York and I arrested a guy for DUI. We've we we've we've turned the kids over to some kind of protective services and we took his ass to jail. We set pretty kids every night. He was in lockup and the kids weren't. And you know, and he said, I had many a domestic violence charge or case. And if we took dad that beat the mom and the children out of the house.

Charles: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep.

Jack Moore: We separated them from the children. We did it all the time. Sometimes you know, you know you know all the fine family dynamics can lead to separation. So it is it is interesting that people would think that if you were to find the parents and the children in the country, they have nothing to do with that. They're two, three, five years old. But if the parents have illegally entered the country, this idea that separation of them for arresting the parents or at least holding them until further proceedings is like, I can't believe you do it happens every night. It happens every day.

Charles: Yes. Yeah. yeah. Every night. Exactly.

Jack Moore: Yeah, and and yeah, and to that degree, and and and then and and then she said the thing about they were legal asylum seekers. And he said, ways to do it, ports of entry, go here, go there, don't yeah, I mean it's a very viral video, you've probably seen it, and then she keeps she keeps whining about how mean and and all that is, and he said, Ma'am, coming across the border illegally is a crime. No, it's not. They're dude, they're asylum seekers, only if they do it correctly. Otherwise, and then he gives a US code section and says

Charles: yeah, I've seen it.

Jack Moore: If they enter in this way, it's illegal. But, you know, I I think he he's a pretty the guy's smart. I mean, and I think also when you've been that and I know people like him, he's been at different New York cop, you know. I mean, he's a tough guy. I think he's he's a guy, he he's somebody that's got a background where he's not a wallflower, but he also is a walking encyclopedia of the body of law that he has to enforce.

Charles: Yes. And good on him for being that way. Okay, that's all I'm

Jack Moore: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, she's she's a member of the Congress and we could go into whatever depth she has and knowledge of anything, you know, including the law. But he works in it every day. You know, and and you you might have a pretty general knowledge of I mean, I certainly know it from law, from being a lawyer. Man, you run into a you like you can run into a cop who does traffic violations all the time and he's a walking encyclopedia of that code section as it relates to that. May not know anything about you know, trust in the state law. Like if you said, like, hey, what should I do? Well, he might not know that, but he or she that's out there patrolling every day. And sometimes they don't. And sometimes they don't. And sometimes they find out the hard way that they don't know the things they need to know when it comes to regulating traffic or anything else. But you know, but if you're in that field and you're out there running a black and white with the with with the blue light on top, you better know what the hell you're doing if you're stopping people to the best you can.

Charles: Mm-hmm. All right. Yeah good.

Jack Moore: And Holman in that situation clearly knew what he was talking about as the separation of families from a criminal parent or parent charged with a crimin with a crime at the time. What else you want to see? So it was we went down this road. We've certainly talked about, we talked about the medical community and whether or not hospitals are advertising across the border. And then we get this thing about a woman trying to enter in. And again, we're getting a lot of birthright citizenship noise subsequent to. The Supreme singing their song so tie it all up to the

Charles: Dude, they just opened the floodgates. They literally just said, Come one, come all, and we're not going to do anything about it.

Jack Moore: Well Well, I think the stuff coming out is a clear message of this isn't settled yet.

Charles: Well, remember what the Supremes did.

Jack Moore: It it's a it's amping up the tension. It's amping up the tension. Go ahead.

Charles: The Supremes said, Congress, you take care of this. Yeah, yeah, that's what they said. Okay, and w what do you think Congress is gonna do? It these are the same people that won't pass a say back. Thank you.

Jack Moore: Did they? I wanna g yeah, yeah. Well, nothing. Yeah, they they won't. But see, I still don't see I I I still don't see how the if it's a five four decision, especially as the opinion that the majority opinion delivered by the Chief Justice, if they're saying, Hey, we've looked at all of it, it is what some say it is. You're born here, you're a citizen, I don't care. There it is. Boom. That's our decision. Now Congress go take care of it. Well, it seems to me I'm missing something. If they go and pass a law that said, No, it's what Trump said. Then why isn't the first person to challenge that gonna say the precedent, the standing law is what the Supreme Court's already said?

Charles: Remember the case that was in front of the Supreme Court really was about did Trump have the authority? Exactly. That's exactly right.

Jack Moore: The executive order. Yeah, but they went for okay, so you're saying, as we say in law, dicta, it's just noise. They just went extra when they did all this definition of okay. I didn't get that. I I got that they w they were they were going further and farther into the facts of the case to establish where the line was drawn. I thought well, we've talked about this before, and I think you're right as to the distinction. They may have been addressing.

Charles: Yes. Yep. Yeah.

Jack Moore: Mr. Trump, you have certain executive powers where you can then define executive orders or you can draft executive orders. You can't touch this. You can't define the fourteenth amendment as it relates to birth birth. All right. I get that. But it seemed like to me they went further. Let me let me really kind of look into that again. We can do a whole show on that. I w that's what we should probably do. It's a show on let's see what the hell they actually said. I've read excerpts and I got the impression that they addressed the deal of

Charles: Yes. Yeah, sure. Mm-hmm.

Jack Moore: Are these people who are entering the country illegally and having child, are they establishing in the birth of that child a US citizenship as a a US citizen as that child? And that's what I got from it. And if that's as far as they went, it's it seems to me if they turn it over to Congress and Congress passes anything, they're gonna go, well, the laws and so unless there's an overturning and or a constitutional amendment, I don't know how they're gonna touch that.

Charles: I mean it's kinda like I mean we could go down the rabbit hole when it comes to this. It's kinda like the Second Amendment thing. Whereas it's co in some way it could be looked at as vague and it took Congress to actually pass additional laws to define it. That's what they told the Supreme I'm that's what the Supreme Court said. You guys can go out and pass the law if you want. You can go ahead and do it and it would be fine if you just actually define what it says. But I don't think Congress is gonna do that. Yeah, they don't they're not gonna that. Yeah.

Jack Moore: Mm. Right. No, I don't think so. We I don't think so either. Yeah, I d I don't yeah, I think it's gonna kinda sit where it is. And I don't think that's I don't think it's gonna change. Because I don't think certainly is not Congress is not gonna take any action and damn sure isn't gonna be a constitutional amendment. So all right, brother. You're the best. Hang in yeah.

Charles: I don't either. No, definitely. No. All right. L thave to say, asteroid twenty twenty eight. So Yeah. Yeah.

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