American Pride and Space Exploration

Moore To Consider: Welcome to more to consider Jack and Charles edition another edition of Jack and Charles If it looks like we're wearing the same thing, it's because we're doing those series of small shows or somewhat small Yeah, say it looks like we're wearing the same thing. It's because we are we're doing some back-to-back shows. So Are you just where they say you're the guy you're the guy from nine and a half weeks? yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Come on act don't come on. I thought a movie reference at nine and a half weeks ⁓

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, I'm wearing the same thing, No, no, no, no, I wear the same thing all the time. Yeah, see... It's been a long time.

Moore To Consider: he did a lot of plastic surgery. ⁓ things didn't go so well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. Yeah, exactly. Mickey Rourke. Right. And love interest was the former wife of Alec

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ Michael I mean Rourke Whatever's wrong Mickey Rourke. Yes ⁓

Moore To Consider: That's right. your name. Kim Basinger. Right. So Kim Basinger does the famous dancing around, going to the refrigerator, pulling different types of cold cuts or fruits or whatever. And somebody's getting fed. But if I don't, if I don't, if I'm not mistaken, didn't Rorick have like a whole, closet full of black suits? It's like it's the same black suit.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Bass Hanger, yes. Thank Dude, it's been so long since I've seen that movie, but...

Moore To Consider: Brother, you gotta help me though, man. When you said I'm wearing the same thing all the time, I'm like, just like, you know, you hit.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I thought you were going to bring up Steve Jobs or Albert Einstein.

Moore To Consider: As in your level of intellect or what you were wearing? Did those guys wear the same thing all the time? Did they really?

Charles Hundley Jnr: what I was wearing. Yeah. Yeah. For the same reason.

Moore To Consider: to be predictable or because it made no sense to have more clothes.

Charles Hundley Jnr: People put too much effort, energy into figuring out what they're going to wear. Just wear the same thing. You don't have to worry about it.

Moore To Consider: I know that some level that makes a lot of sense, but there's also something. Hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: These are super bright people. These are super bright people.

Moore To Consider: That's true. Do you think it's like a slide and scale though? The more intelligence one has the less the wardrobe matters. I guess that's possible. Yeah. I mean, think about the smartest people in the world, you know? So what about Musk? I'm sure he's pretty high IQ guy. He has a little, huh? Yeah. Where is he at with that? He's, he's pretty casual, right?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yep. Yeah. Have you seen the way he dresses? Have you seen the way that he dresses? That's an understatement, especially coming from where he comes from.

Moore To Consider: Okay. South Africa.

Charles Hundley Jnr: You know, no, his mother.

Moore To Consider: Or is this I'm from?

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ boy, I never told you this story. Okay, I'll make this really quick. I used to be a runway photographer and I'm at this fashion show and I see this really, really pretty older lady coming down the runway don't think about it until about three or four years later when I see her standing beside son her son is Elon Musk.

Moore To Consider: No, I don't think so. Yeah, yeah. Wow. And she was so she was a model.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. Like her entire lifetime pretty much.

Moore To Consider: No, no, she was born somewhere. I'm saying where is she from?

Charles Hundley Jnr: that part I don't I don't know if she was born in England or South Africa, but the thing is, yet he comes from. Mommy, yes, she still is. Yes, he's in her 80s. He still he really still is and she still models. Yeah, yeah. ⁓ and speaking of him, that's kind of sort of what we're going to talk about.

Moore To Consider: Right, I gotcha. But Mommy was good looking. Mommy is good looking, right? She still is. Good for her. We'll have to look into that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's, he's in this conversation. So and I decided to do this show. NASA's current mission ⁓ Artemis which is the first crude flight under the Artemis program, sending astronauts on a 10 day journey around the moon. If you believe there is such a thing. Okay. We can get into that whole discussion too.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. Yes. Cough

Moore To Consider: The mission aims to test the Orion spacecraft's support system, Orion, I guess it's Orion, I'm sorry. So I missed that. The Orion spacecraft's life support systems and lay the groundwork for future lunar exploration. So the current mission is represents first crewed crewed manned.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mm-hmm.

Moore To Consider: of flight under the Artemis program, the mission of significance is it marked a return to human space exploration around the moon after decades. one of the things we talked about off the air is I'm of an age where I was around for July, 2019, 69. I remember Cronkite kind of dropping his glasses and wiping his eyes and you know, ⁓ my gosh, we really landed on the moon. I've heard the story that, Neil Armstrong screwed up the statement. He meant to say, this is one small step for a man and a giant leap for mankind is what he meant to say. Like a man is taking one small step, but, but he said, this is a small step for man and a giant leap for mankind and kind of it was supposed to be a man. And then he also made the reference to the guy next door. Wasn't that true?

Charles Hundley Jnr: All right.

Moore To Consider: That he was supposed to say something like, he, he made a reference. I looked this up and I think it was in fact true. He made a statement like, well, I guess I got there, Mr. Whoever it was next door. Yeah. And it's because ⁓ day he was, I guess the next door neighbor was asking wife to do a particular sex act or something. She goes, I'll do that when the kid next door lands on the moon. ⁓ this was supposed to, yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ yes, yes, yeah. Right, right. He finally got his wish or something like that.

Moore To Consider: Yeah. So he, he supposedly made a comment like, well, Mr. So-and-so go get your wish fulfilled now, whatever I'm on the moon or something that affects that's the story I heard. right. But we do have the rice university speech. Was that 63? I think it was 63 where Kennedy said, um, uh, you know, why did

Charles Hundley Jnr: Alright. ⁓ Kennedy.

Moore To Consider: Why does, uh, why does Rice play Texas? Why does Rice play Texas? He's doing the whole thing. He goes, why do we go to the moon? We go to the moon because it's hard. Not because it's easy. And he's talking. It was also before the house or before the joint session. I think it was at the state of the union where he said, we will send a man to the moon and return him in the decade. And people are like, oh yeah, like we're to put a man on the moon before 1970. Which leads to.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. All right.

Moore To Consider: I don't think I did a really good Kennedy there. tried, but it leads to some of the conspiracies about whether it ever really happened because it was like, okay, JFK put it out. He kind of got martyred as president. He got killed in the fashion he did. And it was, all right, we got to convince America that it did in fact really happen. And some people say it was impossible then it's impossible now. But it clearly in 1969 cities on fire. So you got Kennedy killed, Bobby killed, or King killed in April of 68 and Bobby killed in June of 68. There's been political assassinations. There's been riots in the streets. There's been the election of 68, which wasn't exactly, well, Nixon wins, but it's, the country's coming apart over the Vietnam War. So now we put a man on the moon. So there's always been the question of, was that just bread and circuses. I mean, was that just like, Hey, let's go ahead and make them think that when they're watching the Partridge family this week, we're also going to let them think that we we landed on the moon. That was never really real. So now we have in 2026, almost 60 years later, this thing spinning around up here, they're doing this travel around the moon. And are we in a country that even has any particular Does bring about any kind of mood of pride? Talk to me.

Charles Hundley Jnr: So listening to you talk about it. And the only thing I can think of is 13. Now, ⁓ hopefully don't have any Apollo 13 issues with mission. Hopefully we never have another Apollo 13 issue.

Moore To Consider: Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: But if you remember, there was Apollo 11 where they went to the moon, Apollo 12 they went to the moon, and then pretty much by Apollo 13, people were like, yeah, we've seen that. They didn't really care. I don't even think that launch was preemptive. I don't think the launch even preempted live ⁓ at the time. It was like, yeah, they're going to launch and we'll just let you know.

Moore To Consider: No, I think you're right.

Charles Hundley Jnr: But then, me, when they that explosion on the spacecraft or the capsule, whatever you want to call it. ⁓ I can't remember. No, no, no. This is Apollo 13. When they had that explosion. ⁓ but was no. My point about this is people didn't care. Until that happened.

Moore To Consider: Challenger. Well the 13 had all the bugs and all, they barely made it home, right? They never made it to the moon. Yeah. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: And that's when they broke in and everybody around the planet was, know, literally sitting on the edge of the seats. Are these guys going to make it back? Right. So I look at how space travel is now how it's been before. So did you the launch of the 2? See, that's my point is that it has in ⁓

Moore To Consider: ⁓ yeah, to get them home safely, I didn't even know it was happening.

Charles Hundley Jnr: kind of sort of a routine thing. Now I understand this is the first time since Apollo 17 that somebody has been that close to the moon. get all that. I do. But we as Americans, as humans, we're like, there's not really anything special. If they were landing on the moon, it probably would be a little more special, but they're just going, they're orbiting the moon and that's about it. But, sure.

Moore To Consider: Well, I think it's more than that. Let me just say this about what you just said. When, when it was ABC, NBC, CBS in the wheelhouse of my youth and I had a radio on all the time, I used to listen a lot to a rock station, top 40 type of station out of Richmond, Virginia, Q 94. That's what everybody kind of listened to. We were hearing the news at the top of the hour, every hour. When we used to dabble in radio 30 years ago, going over and seeing, know, NIS and sitting in, you kind of had a feel for everything that was going on because your news sources were limited and they were, you were exposed to them greatly. Right now, as much as we're in our phones and we're in our devices, I think we're less informed in some sense than we've ever been.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, I agree because of the amount of information. It's the amount of information too. It's definitely overload.

Moore To Consider: Because now we choose to be informed or not informed. Right. But what I'm seeing is if you walked in America 30, 40 years ago, you went in the mall, there's TV, you went to the sports bar, there's TVs on the airport, CNN, and CNN was a little bit less political in the fashion it is now. What I'm saying is those things were considered news and newsworthy were pretty much in your face all the time, subtly to some degree, but you kind of knew what was going on. are. So much of the world now is in a TikTok world, Instagram, whatever the hell kids are doing. They're in there, they're creating their own worlds and spaces. I guess I'm saying this in a sense, you're telling me that they're up there doing a 10 day spin around the moon mission. I haven't even heard, you brought it up like, talk about it. and, well, and you're also making the point. I agree.

Charles Hundley Jnr: you

Moore To Consider: Now that we've been there so many times, so many decades ago, it's novel. It's not, I mean, it's not novel. It's, it's, it's old hat. It's old hat now. It's some level.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Correct, I agree.

Moore To Consider: Everybody in the country knew in 69 though, that we had something up in the air and we might land on the moon soon. Everybody was locked in. Everybody was locked in in 1969.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it is. It's a huge difference. But I was going to ask this question when it comes to technological achievements.

Moore To Consider: Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: You know, strangely enough, I have to give it to few people that are the top of the food chain, really, at least in the past 50, 60 years. Top, there's two people. I think of top of the food chain. Strangely enough, ⁓ of these people in the past six or seven years has done, personal the ⁓ only things where I've watched and I start to get a little misty eye looking at it. And that hasn't happened in long time. The first one was SpaceX launched those guys into space to go to the International Space Station for the first time. The first time that a commercial entity has ⁓ transported, ⁓ well, I'm gonna say, not government sponsored, I'm just saying a commercial entity.

Moore To Consider: Okay. not government sponsored. This government sponsorship, but it's commercial. It is private enterprise at some level. It's not strictly government. Okay.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. Correct. To watch them watch SpaceX do that, I got a little misty out. the other time, and this is SpaceX again, when you is not just watching it, but hearing the audio from their control room when that rocket reentered and then landed, was caught by that tower.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: watching that and hearing that for the first time, I got misty odd. For real.

Moore To Consider: Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: that had never been done before. And you think about all the times that they've, you know, they've launched a rocket and it crashed, but a lot of those crashes were done on purpose to, so they could study the limits of the rocket itself. I get it. Some people are like, what are you failing? And all this, you have to do that. It's like crash testing a car. You have to understand what the limits are, you know, they landed first on the ground and they landed on a barge and you know, it stepped up. to them being able to capture that rocket with those two little chopsticks on that tower. And I'm looking at this and I hear the cheers and the anticipation the cheers from the people inside the control room. And I know Elon is in there too cheering. That was special. Honestly, because that had never been done before. Anything like that. That is a giant leap technological advancement it comes to humans. So when it comes to what they did with Artemis II, I'm very happy that they're doing it. Don't get me wrong. But it's not really anything new. It done 60 years ago. Also, So it's not the same, at least to me it's not the same. happy NASA is going down this path, but unfortunately when you look at the path that they're going down and how much it cost versus how much like there was this this comparisons when it comes to how much it costs a kilo of cargo to go up in a space shuttle. I want to say it was $55,000 per kilo to go up into the space shuttle to get to get into orbit. Elon Musk has gotten it down to like, I don't want to it's $250 or something like that. It was it was a crazy amount of money, a crazy low amount of money compared to what we were doing when the space shuttle was doing it. And it was about, you know, just thinking outside the box. So I can only imagine what it's going to be like in say 10 or 10 years. the way, let me back up a little about this Artemis issue, ⁓ mission. So was supposed to have something to do with this at the very beginning. Well, obviously the goal is to land back on the moon. Well, NASA has now admitted that

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, I guess we're going to have to rely on SpaceX to actually, you not get us there. But once we land on the moon, is going to have to provide all the logistics, most the equipment and so on and so forth for us to actually stay there. And I think. kind of seeing that, we rely on government to do this, because they're just going to make it over budget and they're going to take a long to do this when we have better options out there when it comes to the private sector doing it. However it's done, I don't really care. I do think that it's probably for human beings and just to show that we're still progressing, we need to go back to the moon. It's going to cost billions and billions and billions of dollars. Yes, it is. But we need to do that just so we can go back to what happened in 1969 where people literally all over the planet were watching Neil Armstrong come down that ladder. Whether it be

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: here in the United States or our greatest enemy at the time, Vietnam at the time, because we're at war with them or the Soviet Union. There were people in the Soviet Union who had access to a TV who watching it right along the people here, right along with the people here. We kind of need something like that right now to.

Moore To Consider: Yeah. Well, that sort of brings up… question I would have. I'm seven when all that's going down. think as a seven year old, I'm in the second grade, I'm buying into the greatest country. We're heading shoulders in technology above everyone else. know, I mean, that's, but think the 45 year old at the time thought the same thing. Everybody thought we're pretty special. We're special nation and all this. I just know that That's not where we are as a nation right now. Like I would, I would literally like to do that. And the Vietnam war is splitting America down the middle for sure. And the assassinations, um, you know, some of the race relations issues, that's all this is going on. I 69 is an interest. 68 is a very interesting year. Um, at time or somebody news week on the anniversary in 20, let's see, it would have been 2018, I guess.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mm-hmm.

Moore To Consider: It was like on the 50th anniversary of all these events from, from 68, Ted offensive King, and Kennedy assassinations, Bobby said, you know, it's like, Whoa, the conventions, like I said, riots in the streets. And it's like, just what kind of a country was we were in at that time. But I still think if you polled the M1A1 guy on the street, he would have said, America's still the greatest country. Now there was a lot of America love it or leave it. You know, that, that argument's going on. But I just don't know like what percent of people in this country right now would you, you know, anywhere between 21 to 101, not or even 15 year olds. What percentage of Americans right now, if you said, we're out there running some type of spacecraft up there flipping around the moon and back. How does that make you feel? What percent would say, don't give a shit. I could care less about the United States. It doesn't make me proud at all.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, there's always going to be that percentage if you remember that.

Moore To Consider: No, but I'm saying what's that percentage now versus 1969? Cause somebody in 69 didn't give a rat's ass either. I'm saying it's plenty of people in 69 that probably felt like I don't care. America doesn't seem exceptional to me, but I think a whole lot of people did.

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ I f- think I honestly think it has to be something that was that was new. had be something that it was a first for people to actually care. And unfortunately, well, I was going back to the moon because there's been so much time in between. I do think that it would interest a lot of people, but unfortunately, it's going to take us landing on Mars to get that same feeling that they had in 1969 when we landed on the moon. It's got to be something new. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: And it might be because of the repeat aspect, but you take back in 27 when Lindbergh flew across the Atlantic. That lit up the, I mean, the country was, it made him a national hero overnight.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, but it was new. It was a fr-

Moore To Consider: Right. No, no, I get it. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. That was new and the next thing's new and you know, so yeah. And you're right. Cause it kind of ran its course on going to the moon just between 11 and I was a let, well, didn't they, didn't they land again? Some of the other ones subsequent ones or that that was that it.

Charles Hundley Jnr: in 13. Yeah. Oh yeah, it was 11 all the way to 17 and 13 was the one that didn't make it.

Moore To Consider: to 17, that's what, yeah. All right. Here's, here's a little bit here. Neil Armstrong is rumored to have said, good luck, Mr. Gorski during his Apollo 11 mission, which is believed to refer to a childhood story about a neighbor's argument. However, there's no evidence to support this claim and it is considered a myth.

Charles Hundley Jnr: mean, OK, if is, unfortunately, Mr. Gorsky is probably gone and Neil for sure is gone. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: ⁓ I would think so. Yeah. And what I saying is like, they heard the neighbors arguing where one neighbor promised the other a favor when the kid next door walks on the moon. Cultural impact, the story has been circulated widely, leading many to believe it's true. Well, I want to believe it's true. There's Santa Claus, Rudolph and Mr. Gorsky and what he said to his wife. ⁓ I don't know too about,

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah, so do I. Right.

Moore To Consider: Okay. This was interesting. All right. I'll run this by you because I'm skewing away because I want to go into kind of a wheelhouse argument or something. I know something about you do too, cause you're a fan or you follow the game. I did a show with my friend, Gil grew up in the DR and my Canadian friend that we do a baseball show and we were talking about the world baseball classic. And I said, you know, I remember in the eighties when they threw together. I guess it was the first Olympic team where it's going to be the first team to play. And there was a USA team for some time, but maybe we won it in 92. I guess we won it in 92 Olympics when they made baseball Olympic sport. But the bottom line is, and I felt this, I felt like, Hey, nobody in the world plays baseball better than the U S of a, cause we invented it. You know, that was it. That would have been 30, 35 years ago. Now look, I had a scout buddy of mine. 15 years ago, goes, Jack's not going to be long before the game is Latin American and Asian. And look what's happened. Who's the best player in baseball? Tony's probably yet, right? He's, he's Japanese and there's other Japanese players. you know, he's six foot four. And I think, you know, the, old vision was the Japanese player was a smaller player, the American player. No, hell no. And we know that 20 % or more of the major league baseball are Dominican players.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: Some of my favorite people in the world that I've worked with in baseball, Dominican players can play, American kids. There's an argument they're getting softer and all this, but here's where I was going with it. You have these kids playing and choosing teams. And I thought, you know what? It's interesting that even some Dominican kids that might have kind of gone that route where they were born to DR moved to the States They're going to go back and play for the DR if they can make that team. And that's another thing too. Some guys cherry picked where they went probably because they had some association in their background with a particular country. They had a much better chance to make that roster and everybody got all excited about this USA team and Venezuela won it. You know, so Venezuela wins it. Right. But my point is, I really kind of felt like watching that America was the only nation that I really watched. It was going to go deep and compete.

Charles Hundley Jnr: there.

Moore To Consider: that didn't have the same kind of pride. Like the major league players from other countries had no problem going to play for those countries. Cause I think it's kind of sexy to do so. And I think the country that kind of gets left. And I say that because where was baseball invented?

Charles Hundley Jnr: here.

Moore To Consider: The United States of America, comes from these colonial games. came from England, rounders and town ball and different, but baseball is an American sport. And, my God. Okay. And I still say this, the 92 dream team. I don't care whatever comes down the, but you're never going to touch that team. Now bird is a shell of his former self, but you got Johnson on that team. You got Michael on that team. You got, um, uh, Charles Barkley on that team. We had David Robinson on that team. You got everybody on that team and that's going to be the greatest. You know, and they came back what eight years later with the 2000 team, they had another dream team. Kobe was on that. think Shaq loves Shaq. There's different eras, but back then your average M1A1 fan, who's the best basketball players in the Americans. Dr. Naismith, Massachusetts, what 1891 invented the, we invented the game. We're better at than anybody. I don't know about that so much anymore either as international players, all the plays can play.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Bye.

Moore To Consider: But again, if you start cherry picking or if you start picking who you're proudest to play for, I say it really, when we were having this discussion, I was like, guys, have you really thought about the fact, probably the guys that have the least amount of pride in playing for the country they're playing for, American kids. And at first they're kind of like, look, I said, I'll it this way. How many kids around the world are like, Hey, I got a connection to America and coming back to play for the American team. We got tons of guys that are playing and making huge amounts of money in the United States. They're going to play for their country of origin. God bless them. But you know what I'm saying? It's like, they don't have any problem in going to play for another country, even though they're playing in the States with playing professionally. I think just being American has, has become less than sexy. Am I wrong about that? What do you think?

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, again. There's really not too much of a difference between now and what was going on in the 60s.

Moore To Consider: But don't you also think though that we're unique in that when you talk to people, you do get into their ethnicity. I, me, melt and pot, call it whatever you want. I fully expect that the people I run into in America are going to have all kinds of different backgrounds. You know, and Ronald Reagan said it, people don't some, sometimes, but Ronald Reagan made a great point. He goes, if you go to French, you'll never be French. If you go to Italy, you'll never be Italian unless you were born there. But America is the only country, it doesn't matter where you were born, you fully become an American.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I that No, ⁓ agree. But the user sports analogy. What I am seeing ⁓ more more. Excuse me. thought about this watching something about World Cup. I'm a soccer fan. And by the way.

Moore To Consider: Do you not agree with that, Ronald Reagan? Yeah, I think that makes us unique. Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Soccer is what the original name was. It wasn't football. They called it soccer. And we call it soccer. They just are calling it football because we started calling the NFL that type of football, football, and they wanted to differentiate it. story short, they talking about.

Moore To Consider: So you're saying that in other parts of the world, the game with the ball, communist kickball, I called it, but communist kickball was in fact soccer to everyone else. And then he started calling it football to get under the skin of America for having a sport named football. Okay. Gotcha. Okay. Gotcha. Yeah. I never understood that anyway. American football, you're kind of like, you do kick it sometimes, but

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mm-hmm. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah, but they're like, yeah, but you have you run with the ball in your hand. You don't kick it. That's another story. Anyway, at the Italian team. ⁓ there's lot of people who you wouldn't consider Italians on the Italian national team. No, for soccer, for soccer.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm. Wait a Chuck, for baseball or for soccer? Well, baseball had the same thing. There were guys from all over the place who were playing for these that were all Americans with a background in that country. So they're doing the same thing in soccer.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, no, no, but these are native born Italians. It's just that they just happen to be first or second generation from, I don't know, Sudan. But they were born. were born. Well, no, no, no, no,

Moore To Consider: Okay. Let me, let me get this straight. Okay. Cause the thing that was going on with baseball is there were American players, professional who had a mom who was Italian and they were playing for the Italian team. They'd never been to Italy. So when soccer, so when soccer you're saying guys that represent the Italian team has, I'm asking her what connection to Italy.

Charles Hundley Jnr: okay. they were born in Italy. So, no, no, I understand, but this is kind of sorted the difference between, this is what's happening in the rest of the world slowly, but surely, whereas you've seen people from, if you want to call it different backgrounds that are playing for their, country that they were born in. United States, it's been like that for a long time. The rest of the world is just starting to catch up because of what you said about what Ronald Reagan said.

Moore To Consider: Alright, then you're Italian, so I mean...

Charles Hundley Jnr: There's all kinds of people that come to the United States. They make the United States their home. They have their kids here and so on and so forth. I mean, really think about it. There is no country as diverse as this one. It just isn't. So when you look at our sports teams, you look at our sports teams, and there's people from everywhere on our sports teams. It wasn't like that in other countries.

Moore To Consider: No, he really isn't. There isn't.

Charles Hundley Jnr: But you're starting to see it slowly but surely. Do those people, do Sudanese that born in Italy have the same passion for Italy as an Italian? I don't know. It's possible. It's possible that they're saying, well, I was born here, so I'm Italian. I'm Italian because I was born here, not because of my blood. And they're going to play Italy. But what's going on here in the United States, as you said earlier, is that people are just shitting on the United States that, this place is not worth it. And, you know, I don't like the way things are going and so on and so forth. OK, yeah, whatever, dog. I mean, there's going to be that way all the time. One of the things, just my personal opinion, I think the reason for that is Americans generally don't travel too much. because our country is so big and so diverse that a person in Virginia could go and travel to say, Idaho, and it would be completely foreign to them other than the language that the people spoke. But when you travel to other places, I went to Cuba last year, I can tell you.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: that is completely different than the United States. But also it is very humbling going to a country like that. It's humbling going to Columbia or wherever It's humbling and you actually appreciate where you're from, United States, a lot more. But if you don't leave the United States and all you see is what's going on in, I don't know, Iceland and you're like, ⁓ my gosh, it looks like this is the nicest place on the planet. Why can't ⁓ can't the United States be like that? travel. You need to go to these places.

Moore To Consider: Oh yeah, travel is definitely the best way. It what Mark Twain said, I was able to unbag or unload all of my prejudices by traveling. I found that all these people that didn't look like me, really liked, you know, because I got out and I learned all, you know, but let me just make this point too for whatever it's worth, because I just thought about it and I remember this coming up. There came a time when one of the U.S.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yep. Yeah. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: teams was put together, might've been one of the first world cups. I mean, world baseball classics, I'm sorry. And this is the prime thing I'm talking about. do you think Alex Rodriguez was born?

Charles Hundley Jnr: the VR.

Moore To Consider: He was born in New York. Yeah. He was born in Washington Heights, section of Manhattan to Dominican immigrant parents. He was raised alongside his two half siblings, blah, blah. In 1979, when he was four years old, the family moved to the Dominican Republic, then to Miami when he was in the fourth grade. And then he grew up in Miami. He was a football player, baseball player, you know, all sports star. But point is there was a question to him.

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ okay. Okay.

Moore To Consider: I remember this on one of the teams that was put together and God love, I like Alex Rodriguez. I know he's been through a lot of stuff, P but I've always liked Alex Rodriguez, but here's what was asked. Hey, which way are you going to go Alex? And he goes, I might play for the DR. I mean, I just remember something. And I thought, okay, I Manny Ramirez, I love Manny Ramirez. I think Manny was born in the DR and then lived in New York, like started at 13, but there's a lot of that when you get around professional baseball guys that were from the DR.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes.

Moore To Consider: They got a story. They might've been DR, they might've been New York, they might've been Florida. But my point is he's born in New York, goes to DR, comes back to Miami, and he's being asked, where's your allegiance to play? And he's considering the DR. And I just thought that's interesting because like, if you went back in the forties, what if they'd had a national team? Just everything's the same. Who would Joe DiMaggio have played for? His dad's an immigrant from Italy, didn't speak English.

Charles Hundley Jnr: And same. Bye.

Moore To Consider: ends up in San Francisco, but DiMaggio is born in California. He's born in San Francisco. So do you think Joe DiMaggio would have thought twice about playing for team USA or do you think he would have played for team Italy? It makes you wonder. Ted Williams' mother was Mexican. He was born in San Diego. Would he have played for Mexico? Under today's rules, he could have. People don't realize that. People are shocked. Ted Williams is in the Mexican Sports Hall of Fame. Ted Williams. Father's a white guy, whatever, Williams.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mm-hmm. I don't

Moore To Consider: I guess, Anglo-Saxon, but his mom was Mexican. And something they said, he was such a pioneer on race and the way he took in Pumsey Green, the first black players, because he had felt the sting of sometimes people look at him go, ⁓ your mom's Mexican. So Ted Williams, a complex character, but ⁓ he's a guy born in 1918 in San Diego of a Mexican mother and you know, I an English descent dad. Would he have thought of playing for team Mexico? But what nobody does, they have the choice basically America versus wherever they have some roots. What I'm saying is unique about American. I'm using this context is people think of themselves as other ethnicity and or background and also American, even if they weren't born in these other countries. And it's just, I think it's just different. I don't think somebody born in England necessarily who knows somebody from America is like, I think I'm going go play for team USA. How? ⁓ my uncle was in the USA. They wouldn't, they wouldn't even think that's an option, but people from other countries, well, let's say other countries from different ethnic backgrounds are born in the U S and they still consider themselves to some degree, the other the other country. And I just use that with, and when I said that in front of, mean, I think Gil got my point. I I think Kirk did too. The other guy on the thing, but I think it kind of came out of left field to them, but it was talking about. the formations of the team in this world baseball classic and how the United States would always be the one that people would be removed from identification with. They don't mind separating the United States. And the fact that Venezuela won, I'm like, God bless them. That's great. Venezuela's got great players. I loved it. It was a great thing to watch. But I just think that. ⁓ I think there was a time that Americans took real pride in being American and I just don't know that they do anymore.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, that's unfortunately true.

Moore To Consider: And this whole thing we're talking about space travel and things like that. I don't think it's moving the needle at all. We may be wrong. I mean, I don't know. What do you think? Do you think that there's people having big parties right now in front of a big screen TV watching the reentry of this? Yeah, don't think so either.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No. No, but that's what's, it has to be something new. never gonna be like that for something that's already been done. It's gotta be something new.

Moore To Consider: All right, so this hockey, did that bring back ⁓ past when the USA won in 1980? You know what I'm thinking though, brother? I do think a lot of it is delivery. I do think a lot of it is we were so limited in our sources of entertainment.

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ yeah, yeah, I mean, there's no question about that. thing about the hockey though, honestly, that was a case of the Army. ⁓ Yeah, we the Red Army, who essentially was a professional team. ⁓ So it's huge.

Moore To Consider: He's from 1980. No, you're right. There's a bunch of 18 year old kids. kids and they, beat a professional. You're right.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. really professional communist team. So we don't have that any longer. And another thing too. That's another reason that space race during the 1960s was so much different than it is now is that there is no enemy. Right. It definitely part of the Cold War. It was a race ⁓ and we doing everything to win that race. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: Yes. Yeah. You're absolutely right. It was part of the Cold War. We had to get there first. Yeah. It really was. Good point. Huge point. Now you're right. Yeah, yeah, and even in 1980 with, but again, I don't know because I keep thinking like, is it just because of the way I see the world through just my eyes? But I remember I was not a hockey fan because I'd never really been exposed to it. I respect it. If you, you know, you go out there and freeze some ice and some guys with sticks, some men show up with sticks, you know, hockey can break out and that's like, it's a great game. When you see it live, you appreciate it a whole lot more. So my friend Kirk, the guy from Canada is a huge hockey guy. I'm like, look, I respect the sport. just didn't grow up around it. You have to really grow up around it. think to have a greater appreciation, but everybody in America is a U S hockey fan all of a I mean, I remember it. It was like, Hey, the U S has advanced to the U S is getting to and what hockey. All right. I'm going to turn it on. Well, what were your choices? ABC, NBC, CBS, you know, and, ABC was carrying the, the Olympics. So you watched. And then next thing you know, and then of course the beaten USSR.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Right. Mm-hmm. Right.

Moore To Consider: Was the one before who did, who did they win to win the finals? I mean, it was another country they had to beat. And I can never remember it. Hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: It had Sweden or Denmark or something like that. It was Sweden or Denmark, something like that. No. No.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, I think you're right. They had to beat somebody. That wasn't the finals against Russia, but anyway, is iconic though. That's ⁓ ⁓

Charles Hundley Jnr: That was ideology. It was ideology plus the fact of the United States being underdogs.

Moore To Consider: Yes. Yes. But, you know, as I continue, he's up here behind me watching me, but as I continue to use every opportunity I can in every show to make a reference to Secretariat, when people laugh at it, they're like, yeah, okay, it was just a horse, but he was on the cover of every magazine, 1973, midst of Watergate. Vietnam is not quite over. April 6th, 75 is getting out of Saigon. So I mean, the country's a mess. And 73 and along comes this big red horse who's breaking all the records and it galvanizes the country. Now he grew up 11 miles. So was born 11 miles from where I grew up. So it meant something to us in Virginia. But when you say that people will poo poo, well, they made a Disney movie. Okay. They put Diane Lane in Disney movie about this red horse, but I lived it. And I'm going to tell you what that son of the gun united the country. When in the triple crown, everybody was watching everyone knew. Then it was on that Saturday at the Belmont when he won the triple crown. I know I lived it. It wasn't just something I'm making up in my imagination. I don't know if anybody watches the Kentucky Derby anymore, much unless they go there. I don't even know. was never a big race car fan, but the Indianapolis 500. I was going to watch it. At least I was going to watch the start of it every year. Right. You know, the bowl games.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mm-hmm.

Moore To Consider: Back when all the bowl games were on new year's day, you watched all the new year parade. You watch Macy's you, mean, you know, you watched all the downtown parades and you watch bowl games. There was just certain things that were American and we all did it. Now everything's disjointed. It's a fight. It's a battle. We bring up 68, 69, the timeframe. Yeah. It wasn't pretty, but was it, is it worse now? Is it worse then?

Charles Hundley Jnr: worse than. ⁓

Moore To Consider: You really think so?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah.

Moore To Consider: I don't because I think that even while 69 all the political upheaval, the assassinations, Vietnam war and the rest, I still think there was a general sense of people loved America. America not have been right. All right. You just gave me the face.

Charles Hundley Jnr: That's why I say it, think it's, excuse me, it was worse then. There's a lot of people that didn't love America.

Moore To Consider: Do you think that more people hated the United States that lived within the borders in 69 than they do today? Okay. Really? That's an interesting take.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. Yeah. It was because of one simple thing. You were forcing people to go die in a country that had in a war that had nothing to with us. You were forcing people.

Moore To Consider: All right, let's go then. Let's 1961. Pre Kennedy assassination, pre heavy involvement. We have involvement in Vietnam by that point, but not the involvement we later have. Do you think the M1A1 guy on the street in 61 loved America more than 69? Yeah. And so I do think there's a downfall in love of country or at least belief in everything is real with Kennedy getting shot. I think that really is a defining moment.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No. All right. Yes. Well, yeah, it was definitely a start, yeah, it was definitely a start. But I just.

Moore To Consider: I just still think, put it this way, think patriotism was at a much higher level in 1969 given all the stuff you're talking about than it is today.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No? mean, okay. Yeah. Yes.

Moore To Consider: It'd be interesting. We'll look that up. We'll see what kind of polling we can find. mean, don't you think church attendance was at a much higher rate in 1969 than it is today? Although it is starting to go back up, but don't you think more people attend to church? So I think the whole church, apple pie, Chevrolet, whatever, baseball, apple pie, Chevrolet, I just think it was stronger in 69, even though that timeframe, 68, 69, it was pretty rough.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Okay. Yeah, it was. Yes.

Moore To Consider: 70s weren't bitch. mean the 70s weren't nice either.

Charles Hundley Jnr: No, but not like that period. I think that was the worst.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, but did have bell bottoms and polyester and things like that that did assault us. Big white, thick white belts ⁓ white shoes, patent leather shoes. I mean, let's face it, those things were happening too.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, there's nothing good that came out of the 70s except for the music. Other than that, I think the 70s are shitty. My least favorite decade, honestly, is the 70s. Yeah, well, maybe not overall, but least favorite decade that I could think of. Other than, you know, the 1910s.

Moore To Consider: There was good music. There was good music. least favorite decade overall or for music.

Charles Hundley Jnr: The 70s are a close second because again. ⁓

Moore To Consider: Now you made a good argument for the 19 teens or whatever the way it would be to say that from 10 to 19. Man, that was about as bad a decade you're right as there's ever been.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. Yeah, that's true. But the 70s, again, I can't really think of anything that I liked out of the 70s except for the music. That's it. Cars were shitty. Movies were shitty. ⁓ This is nothing. Clothes were just terrible. Yeah, but that yeah, I give the Godfather, but it so many movies that were that was just just horrible. Yeah. It's just the worst.

Moore To Consider: Yeah. People would argue that Godfather is a classic though. You okay with that? The fashion was awful. The fashion was terrible. That was the worst time for fashion in world history. Yeah, for sure. So what's the best decade?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I would say probably the early 60s. Well, no, no, I don't think there is a best decade. depends on it's just that the 70s there were so many bad things in the 70s that you can just point to it. can't say that any decade had things that were just better overall.

Moore To Consider: Interesting. Well, and you've heard me say this before. I'm fumbling through YouTube one time and I see the David Letterman show. I'm a big Tony Childs fan. So Tony Childs comes out barefooted. She comes out to sing she's singing with Al Green and they're doing a duet on Let's Stay Together. And singing backup is little known Melissa Etheridge and Carlos Santana is on a guitar. And David Sanborn is part of the sax section. And somebody wrote, and I looked at it and somebody wrote like, this could only happen in the eighties. Dude, Al Green, Tony Child, David Letterman show, David Sanborn, Carlos Santana. They're all on the, they're all on the, the David Letterman show. You know, you're like, wow, like that's what the eighties was like. Like you could come in, curl up, turn on the late show. And you saw that kind of entertainment. Al

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mm-hmm.

Moore To Consider: Let's stay together. That was a night in 1987. And I looked at that and I thought, now his song came out in 71, I believe let's stay together with 71, but it's Al Green for God's sake and it's Tony Chao. So I'm looking at that and I'm like, yeah, those are the good old days. kind of remember. You know, it was a, it was a different group of people, but you could get that many people in late night TV. And now it's just a Trump's an asshole every night on late night TV. That's all it is. You know, and you just don't.

Charles Hundley Jnr: All right.

Moore To Consider: You don't have, and again, that may sound like a defensive Trump, but I'm just saying the world seemed to be more entertaining in 1987, 88, whatever. thought the movies were better. my team was in the, was in the Superbowl a lot during the eighties. Joe Montana was playing in the eighties. It was, was, Bo Jackson was playing in the eighties, the best athletes. It's all better. It's all better. Movies were better. Prince, Prince.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Nah, I can go with that. Sorry. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: Pretty big time for him in the 80s, right? So let's go ahead and face it, the 80s were the best.

Charles Hundley Jnr: That's true.

Moore To Consider: still not convinced. 90s bad either. All right. So we've both, we both kind of come to the conclusion that this whole space trip and stuff isn't really unite in the country, whatever you're fascinated by it to some degree. Do you think it erases the myth or does it clarify whether we've ever walked on the moon before?

Charles Hundley Jnr: you No, I don't think it's going to convince people either way. never into the argument with people whether or not we went. mean, there a were lots of things that came from the space. We call it industry. Probably, again, that's why I go back to we need to do something new to for us to be as interested as we were in the 60s.

Moore To Consider: You got your sights set on Mars.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, it's not so much me. It's they're going to have to come up. Yeah, because it's going to have to be so many inventions ⁓ get us there. And that's another byproduct of the space race. know, something as simple as Velcro was invented by NASA.

Moore To Consider: Well, I'm saying to get to hit that thing that changes it. Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: something we use, we take for granted every day, know, is just stuff like that. They're going to have to come up with a lot of new things and those new things are going to people when, when you go into a store and you see something there that they develop because they had to develop it to make it to Mars. People's interests are going to be piqued because of it. We don't have that any longer. Can you think of anything NASA has created? I'm sure that there are things we just don't think about it as the practical application for it. And when it comes to getting into space, but can you think of anything that NASA has developed that you ⁓ ⁓

Moore To Consider: No, but you know, I think something else that happens is human nature. When things are on the gradual ascension, things are getting better. I remember, I remember LPs. mean, I remember vinyl. I remember the 45s and 33 and a thirds. I remember listening to phonographs and then it was eight tracks. And then from eight tracks kind of went to sets. And I was coaching at one point in the mid eighties and these kids came by my apartment. They're like, coach, coach, you got to hear this. And it was high end recordings of a CD. And they're like, no hiss, no pop. And I'm like, ⁓ my God, I went out got a CD player the next day. People laugh like, a CD player, no CD. So I started joining all the clubs and buying all the CDs. And I'm like listening to his free music. And I'm like, wow, what could ever get better?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Bye. ⁓

Moore To Consider: And then was the same thing with VHS to DVDs to Blu-ray and every, but you know that at each point along this entertainment spectrum, it's getting more more lifelike, realistic sound qualities better. And you know, it's going to max out at some point. Then it becomes just like, nodding the head again.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, because there's actually a retraction that's happening. It's interesting that you bring this up. So I have a turntable that I'm literally looking at right now. Is that about records?

Moore To Consider: What's a retraction? No, well, okay. Then let me back up and say this. I had a guy in music say, you know, the phonograph is actually from a fidelity standpoint, much better than anything. go, yeah, because it gets in the grooves and actually reproduces the music. You lose some stuff with the DVD. Anytime you're doing the audio in the digital format, you lose some stuff from the music. Right. Yes.

Charles Hundley Jnr: That's right, yeah. Yes, it's about the wave. There's a constant wave versus a sampled wave. But there's something else. There's else. And that something else is interaction. So whenever I listen to a record, I'm usually laying on floor.

Moore To Consider: Yes.

Charles Hundley Jnr: And the reason being is you can't put on a record and then go sit on your couch. You can, but it becomes, you know, it's a little, it takes a little bit more effort to do that because you only get 20 minutes or so on that side of the record and you have to get up and flip the record over. go on and on and on. You can't fast forward. You can't do any of this stuff. And it lends actually listening to music in a different way for a different purpose.

Moore To Consider: No, I'm with you. I'm with you. All true. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: So that's the retraction because music. And I'm a big music guy. One of the things about music that's so disturbing or moralizing right now is that music is is. It's disposable. And the reason that it's disposable is because it's so easy to go and find something else. When I put on a record.

Moore To Consider: Yes.

Charles Hundley Jnr: I'm putting, first of I'm only buying records, not only, but for the most part, I'm buying records that I can actually listen to from beginning to end, for the most part. you do that with new music any longer. So you don't find a lot of artists, new artists that are putting out their music on records. Because nobody's listened to it from beginning to end anyway. They're not. But the whole fidelity when it comes to actually listening to music. Unfortunately, it's awfully difficult for you to listen to music now in an analog fashion because there's going to be some sort of digital, in most cases, it can be some sort of digital roadblock. Yes, some part of the process will be digitized in some way.

Moore To Consider: It's some part of the process. Right. Right.

Charles Hundley Jnr: But if you can go out and find one of those old, you know, two channel tube, and they still sell them tube, they're awfully expensive and amplifiers and listen to a reel to reel. Dude, and throw up a pair of headphones. Analog. ⁓

Moore To Consider: No, I know that, no, no. Okay. And I went and you, you pull me back in. was just simply saying that what I meant to say ⁓ can remember dial up modems and I remember the first picture in 1993 that I brought up on a computer screen. It was a picture of Bill Clinton as president and it was drawing lines and I left the room and went to eat, cook dinner, came back and it was drawing some more lines and I was. ⁓

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah.

Moore To Consider: fascinated that I was looking at a computer screen and it was giving almost like a newspaper type of print of a photograph of somebody. Well, where was I in 1997? Where was I by 19 or 2001 and on and on and on. I remember sitting in my, in my office when I was working and I found that there was a channel you could watch on inner tube. I mean, on the internet and you could kind of even watch TV while you were at work. I might, you know, And when that's happening, you're like, are you kidding me that you can see all this? But we become numb to it. And I'll say this too, because I think it's true. It's an old saw. It's kind of laughed about, but it's true. enjoyed television and medium that it is. ⁓

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes.

Moore To Consider: the entertainment value that it has far more than we had no choice on three networks. And we do now when we can go back and see an archive of everything that's ever been produced. And when you had three things playing, you had to choose one. You were far more, I just left the TV and went and did something else. But now we have every choice to see everything that's ever been recorded. Everything that's ever really been filmed and you're bored to death. You can't figure out what to watch.

Charles Hundley Jnr: is disposable. And I would just use one really simple Charlie Brown's Christmas special. The only time you could watch Charlie Brown Christmas special was the one time that it was broadcast around Christmas time. That's it.

Moore To Consider: That's right. That's right. That's exactly right.

Charles Hundley Jnr: and you had to be there in front of it, in front of the TV when it was on. If a commercial came on and you ran to the bathroom for some odd reason, you're in there a little bit longer and it started up, it came back on before you made out the bathroom, you missed it. That's not the case any longer.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: So things go back to my music analogy. Things are so easy now when it comes to everything that appreciation for anything is less and less and less. Yeah. Yeah, just too easy.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, I agree. All that's true. No question. Yeah. And so I don't know if it's part of our age though, too, because like the kids I'm out there coaching 18, 19 years old, they haven't experienced what you and I experienced. They have no earthly idea what it's like to have had rabbit ears on TV, a dial up modem to have a rotary phone. You know I mean? have, I actually saying that to Laura today. I'm on X and they'll sometimes post. Like I saw him post one time, here's 20 cities in the U S the vast majority of, or like the majority of people have been to four of them. I'd been to 16 of the 20, but then he posted one day and I'm like saying, Hey, look at me. But I was like, ⁓ okay. Let me, let me count. See how many of these I've been there. Then somebody said, I don't think anyone's going to get more than 15, but check this out. Count how many of these you've ever done or experienced. And I had done all 20.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mm-hmm.

Moore To Consider: And I was telling Laura the questions were like, have you ever used a fax machine? Have you ever used a dial up modem? And I'm looking, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were saying it in a sense like, who the hell would get 10 or more of these? It's impossible. And I'm like, I remember using the fax machine, which feels like it wasn't that long ago. You know what I mean? It doesn't seem that long ago, but I would think that there's people of a certain age and that's what's weird.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mm-hmm. Alright, well I've seen those. Mm-hmm.

Moore To Consider: You talk to an 18 year old, you know what they were 10 years ago? They were eight. They were a third grader. They're an adult, but they were a third grader. So when you talk to somebody plus 60, what were they 10 years ago? Plus 50. You know? And so we look at it like stuff that happened 30 years ago and go, I was an adult. I remembered I was an adult. Well, you talking to a 20 year old, they weren't around. They weren't even around for it. So we see the world different.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Right. It's. We see the world different, there's things that were more of a necessity years ago that are not. There's not a necessity any longer. And I do consider myself old school when it comes to a lot of things. And. This is the one that gets me. I. I've had, I don't know, 10, 12. Cars in my lifetime, maybe even more. And all of them have been a manual. I've never owned an automatic before. I refuse to drive an automatic. That's just me. know, but there are people, especially younger people, who don't... I somebody who had never written an adult in the 30s, who had never written in a car that was a manual. Not driven it, but never even written. ⁓ Never in one at all.

Moore To Consider: just never been in one at all. The only, the only sticks I ever drove was when I was working on the army base and I drove Jeeps. Other than that, I've never really, I used to move the Jeeps around on the base and I would drive, that's how I learned to drive a stick pretty much was, was in, you know, my college years. Cause I never had to deal with one.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. I understand, but... Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Well, Adam Carolla, I'm sure he didn't coin this phrase, but I use it all the time. And he was the first person I heard say this. It's a sweat equity thing. A person tends to appreciate things more that they have to put effort into. Like me putting effort into having to get up and go change, turn the record over on my turntable or me

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm. ⁓ sure.

Charles Hundley Jnr: putting forth the effort to actually drive a stick. enjoy it personally because it me feel a little more connected to the car. the thing is, I don't have any those screens in my car. My car didn't drive itself, obviously. My car didn't even have Bluetooth in it. It doesn't. But you know what? It's not where I bought the car. And it's not where I drive a car. I want to talk to you in a phone I can. don't need I don't need that stuff. But there people that love it. Hey, more power to them. I'm not shitting on it. Not at all. But it's it's a it's a case of what exactly is it that that that that that drives your engine that that that gets you going and so on and so forth. And people just have different different things that they've been exposed to in a lot of. younger people today, they haven't been exposed to things we were exposed to by default. They can choose to be exposed to it, but they have to choose it. We were exposed to it by default. And yeah, remember I was just telling somebody this. My

Moore To Consider: That's right. That's right, yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: My food line phone number, because I never use my real phone number for any anything like that. I always use a different number. food line phone number is my phone number of the the that I grew up in as a child. We don't even use that area code here any longer. You know, and. Yeah, it's yeah, we we don't use it.

Moore To Consider: I know the one you're talking about. You know when I moved to Virginia Beach it was still that number.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, yeah, because it changed in 93, I think, either 93 or 94. That's one change. Yeah, yeah, but I

Moore To Consider: Right after, yeah, the 757 was created in that time. Well, I lived in this, I remember as a kid it was all 703.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, it was 703 above Richmond. It was 804 south of

Moore To Consider: No, it was seven ⁓ three, the whole state when I was a kid, the eight ⁓ four got created after my birth. Yeah. Yeah. Eight ⁓ four became a thing. Richmond area down. ⁓ but yeah, when I moved to Virginia beach, it was eight ⁓ four. And it was not long after I got down there. That's why I moved in September of 93 to Virginia beach. I'm thinking the toll was still there too. The toll road was there.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Really? ⁓ wow, okay, didn't know that. Mm-hmm. Yes. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: But the toll was still there and it was still called 44.

Charles Hundley Jnr: That's why there was a total rule.

Moore To Consider: Yep. And then it became 264 all the way into the beach. And so they pulled the tolls in 93. They started them in 63 for 15 years and 78. They're like, Oh, a lot of revenue. Let's do it again. So did another 15 years. Like, Nope. That's it. And stopped. But yeah, they, they started seven five seven right after I moved down there. Cause my first number down there was eight Oh four. And then it became seven five seven.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah, because Well, my family's old phone number. My family's old phone number, like I said, is my food line phone number that I put in for the discount. But again, I used to be a photographer. I still shoot every so often, but a friend of mine at work had hired me to shoot her daughter's wedding. And this friend was a pastor at a church.

Moore To Consider: Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: And I go to her church. And I pull up in her drive in the driveway for the church and it has name of the church and the phone number of the church. And it's my parents old phone number. Yeah, it's really weird because I always wondered where that phone number went. Yeah, was my parents old phone number. story short, there lots of things that we just don't appreciate any longer.

Moore To Consider: Hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: And there lots of things that haven't brought us together. It's done nothing but but tear us apart. And what you said about Reagan. Remember, Reagan also said the thing about aliens. That. It would take something like an alien invasion. I can't remember how he put it, but essentially what he's saying, aliens did come here and threaten us, we will all get together and realize that the differences that we have aren't really that important. It's just not. Yeah, I agree with him. There has to be some sort of.

Moore To Consider: No, think it's true. Here's the history lesson. Area 757 was established on July 1, 1996, when it split from area code 304, primarily serving the Hampton Roads metropolitan area and the Eastern Shore of Virginia. It was created to address the exhaustion of numbering resources in the region.

Charles Hundley Jnr: ⁓ wow, that long. 304 or 804. Yeah, because of fax machines. That was a reason. Well, it wouldn't just just affect me that and.

Moore To Consider: Yeah. That just, that just, well yeah, 804 had, yeah, you get enough people, the numbers are all exhausted.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, it was two things, two things that started to come up around the same time. Cell phones, people, more and more people were getting cell phones, also fax machines too. Those two things caused the number explosion. And it's going to get to a point where we're just going to run out of numbers, period, including the area codes. And we're going to have to come up with a different system or start adding numbers. We're not going have a choice.

Moore To Consider: True. All right, here it is. Area code 804 was established on June 24th, 1973. So I was roughly 11 years old. That's why I remember it. I remember when it became a thing, when it was split from the original area code 703. 703 was the whole state of Virginia at one point. Including Richmond has undergone changes due to population growth, leading to introduction of an overlay 86.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Interesting. Okay.

Moore To Consider: I'm sorry 686 I haven't seen that which took effect in 2024.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yeah. Dude, there's a bunch of Arecos now.

Moore To Consider: I was gonna say Virginia now must have what 10 of them? Holy cow, because 540 was one right 540.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Probably so. Yeah, it's a lot. Yeah, 434.

Moore To Consider: 434 is one, like the Lynchburg area, yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, yeah, there's a bunch.

Moore To Consider: is a lot. But yeah, that's some history. Here's your final history question. And then we're close down. when did zip code become a thing?

Charles Hundley Jnr: I know the answer to question, I just can't remember.

Moore To Consider: I saw it came up in a fictional tale of the JFK assassination.

Charles Hundley Jnr: you

Moore To Consider: So that gives you a hint right there, what was it?

Charles Hundley Jnr: Okay, what in 63? Okay.

Moore To Consider: Yeah. It was introduced on July 1st, 63, and they took the little guy zip and he was out there, you know, the zip code thing. So it was some of a conspiracy book. It was like a novel that was playing the game of the Kennedy assassination. And one of the criticisms of the book, and I don't even remember which book it was, was they gave ⁓ a zip code or something when he wrote a letter in 62.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Mm-hmm. Right. Mm-hmm.

Moore To Consider: And somebody caught it. And they're like, well, there was no zip code in 1962, which is true. Yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Wow. ⁓ I have a question for you. is your zip code? Yeah, no, yours, yours, specifically yours.

Moore To Consider: where I am. the zip code where I live.

Charles Hundley Jnr: you have a zip code.

Moore To Consider: Oh, that, well, I'm not going to give it out on the air, but yeah, yeah. Yeah. I won't give it out on the air, but yeah, I, you're right. You're right. Everybody. I never put that in. I always put town zip and they figure it out.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, I understood, but you know, most people don't understand that they have a specific zip code. And if you put in your specific zip code, like if you go to Google Maps, pick up a letter, an official piece of mail that comes to your house. It's a zip code down there. is a five plus four. If you put in that five plus four into Google Maps, your address gonna come up.

Moore To Consider: Yeah, they do. That's true. Mm-hmm.

Charles Hundley Jnr: because that's your zip code. zip code has 10,000 addresses to it. Every single one of them. And then once they run out of 10,000 addresses, they have to create a new zip code. Yeah. Yeah.

Moore To Consider: Yes. All right. What do you want to say in closing? This has been very depressing, right?

Charles Hundley Jnr: We tried. It's ⁓ wish people that are on Artemis to a godspeed in a return trip back to back to ⁓ Earth. I look to what NASA, SpaceX and the ESA and all the other space agencies are going to have for us in the future. And it is going to something new, something big.

Moore To Consider: ⁓ yeah.

Charles Hundley Jnr: for us to all to forget about issues that we're having right now and realize that we need to work together to accomplish something special. Yeah, that's. That's what I what I see.

Moore To Consider: Well, we're, kind of in that 80 year cycle thing from the American revolution to the civil war to world war two. And now we've hit that we're 80 years, just that 80 years separated from the end of world war two and ⁓ the fourth turning I've heard the seasonal thing, but I've also, you know, it's always the, Hard men fix bad situations and they create soft men, soft men lead to the

Charles Hundley Jnr: Yes. The fourth turning. The fourth turning.

Moore To Consider: problem. So I guess we have a generation that is going to.

Charles Hundley Jnr: All right.

Moore To Consider: hopefully kind of bring things back into. So you think I cook about great. The eighties were what was it? was, it was the halfway point out of the hardened generation of the greatest generation. And that was the eighties and that was kind of the halfway point to where we are now. You're giving me a look again.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Well, there's well, should do another podcast some other time on this. I think it would be a great subject. Yeah, I was hearing.

Moore To Consider: Okay. All right. Okay, brother. Love you, man. Appreciate everything. Everybody listening more to consider more to consider Jack and Charles Charles, suddenly Jack more, please like subscribe, share comment, say some comments. Charles will read them. won't, but somebody will, somebody will get back to you with an answer. All right, brother. Take care. Take care. Bye bye.

Charles Hundley Jnr: Okay, yep. right, bro, you too,